JohnnyVersace 9,125 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Terry and Gaga were tight, that's where the backlash came from. He followed her for years documenting her life during 2010/2011 (there's a whole ass coffee table book for those who aren't aware.) Then the unreleased BTWB and ARTPOP docs/footage. He was HUGE in the early 2010's in fashion - it was hard to pick up a fashion mag and NOT see a feature shot by him. Miley and Bey shooting with him was a no-brainer at the time, his style was super on-trend and liked. He was cancelled shortly after doing all three vids. The issue IMO is that Gaga chose to deeply integrate him into her life for years. No judgment to her, but I think at the time she had a really bad "picker." She was young and a bit messed up, but she surrounded herself with some sh*t people and choices tbh. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 167,716 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, River said: It's really easy to blame a woman, when there were a bunch of man in suit (and a random dj who still believes act 2 is real) who told her what to do and could have stop her. It's also just as easy to retroactively strip a woman of her autonomy and not allow her to take responsibility for something she's already apologized and made amends for. She was never a slave, she always had a choice, and she recognized that she made some poor choices. Don't infantilize her 2 hours ago, River said: And actually, all I said, that DJWS introduced them to each other and he influenced her decision that "it's all fine, he was never found guilty". And I have no idea where you're getting this from 'cause afaik DJWS was just working with someone Kelly was working with and Kelly got connected to Gaga through those two. Gaga's the one that said she wanted his blessing and called him the "king of r&b". She was practically fawning over the dude during the mini-DWUW promo era. Nobody forced her to do that and she apologized for it. ¡Seguimos aquí! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 167,716 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, PartySick said: And I have no idea where you're getting this from 'cause afaik DJWS was just working with someone Kelly was working with and Kelly got connected to Gaga through those two. Gaga's the one that said she wanted his blessing and called him the "king of r&b". She was practically fawning over the dude during the mini-DWUW promo era. Nobody forced her to do that and she apologized for it. 1 hour ago, gagzus said: Nah Tara got her into his music on tour. R Kelly was working on new music in Chicago and his producer knew DJWS and he used that connection to get him on the track, Gaga called him the king of R&B back during the Z100 long play of the album and she wanted his approval of the song. And he wanted to be on it. (Most likely his team said it would be good for his image since Gaga was probably the biggest popstar in the world when she was on tour in 2012 and he was planning a comeback) I actually remembered lore? Somebody get the camera ¡Seguimos aquí! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfonso 1,551 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 As someone else mentioned, it was more people expecting her to talk than something actually happening as I don’t think the song nor here were actually badly attached to the drama. The song is such a bop as well, to just erase it from existence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 18,024 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 26 minutes ago, PartySick said: I actually remembered lore? Somebody get the camera I love remembering old lore, it reminds me of the positive thing about my age and loving through her old career days lmao 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 167,716 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 30 minutes ago, gagzus said: I love remembering old lore, it reminds me of the positive thing about my age and loving through her old career days lmao I was only a casual fan before ARTPOP but same from 2013 on Also, as if manifested by this very conversation (which is possible with 2026 Google's spyware), this was recommended to me: The Xtina version is awful but god...what a song Easily could have been one of her biggest hits ¡Seguimos aquí! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 122,329 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 58 minutes ago, PartySick said: It's also just as easy to retroactively strip a woman of her autonomy and not allow her to take responsibility for something she's already apologized and made amends for. She was never a slave, she always had a choice, and she recognized that she made some poor choices. Don't infantilize her And I have no idea where you're getting this from 'cause afaik DJWS was just working with someone Kelly was working with and Kelly got connected to Gaga through those two. Gaga's the one that said she wanted his blessing and called him the "king of r&b". She was practically fawning over the dude during the mini-DWUW promo era. Nobody forced her to do that and she apologized for it. Her apology was forced and she took the bullet for everyone. and honestly, she did absolutely nothing wrong and she’s the only artist that everyone did wtf with her body and forced her to apologize while others artists keeps on doing shitty things all the time but everyone is fine with that. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 18,024 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, PartySick said: I was only a casual fan before ARTPOP but same from 2013 on Also, as if manifested by this very conversation (which is possible with 2026 Google's spyware), this was recommended to me: The Xtina version is awful but god...what a song Easily could have been one of her biggest hits Omg you missed out on so much before that, such as when people on GagaBoards absolutely hated Bad Romance because it was “not like her usual music” and was too dark legit imagine how people reacted to Joanne and times that by like 10, or when she was basically to 2010/11 what Taylor Swift is now. Headlines, gossip magazines, EVERY celebrity being asked about their opinions of her performances and fashion, all over the radio, staying up till early hours in Europe to see the Telephone video premiere on E! Entertainment and it being the censored version- then having to wait another 12 hours for her to upload the uncensored version on VEVO, or the first time we got the Born This Way tease with the jacket picture and her whole website theme changed, the VMAs lyrics and album reveal it was everything. The seemingly impossible long drought from her injury and the tour cancelled to the Burqa leak, the mess when she told people in the Skype fan chat to not ask about ARTPOP at all, “no negativity on this site pls” on LittleMonsters.com, when she was the face of a cancelled Polaroid camera collab, when The Fame Ball was on at festivals and she was on so much molly and had her t*ts out so they couldn’t broadcast any of her live sets live on MTV like everyone else’s. EDIT: Also not to forget when fans were even more delusional then than we are now and thought the BTW standard cover was “ugly on purpose” and part of this Judas betrayal theory where people thought she would betray us 3 times, first the song leaking early on Easter, then the album cover, then they were waiting for something else before she’d “finally reveal the real album cover”. Or “the truth is in my red lipstick” had people looking for album release details in her red lips on the BTW single artworks and album cover for when ARTPOP was gonna come. i have so many memories and times since 2008 Edited January 13 by gagzus 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLuis198 1,235 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I’m probably going crazy, but reading this thread I was thinking, Gaga spent so much time with Marina Abramovich duringearly ARTPOP era, that maybe, in her mind, both the song and video from DWUW was a twisted version of Marina’s Rhythm 0 (1974), where she was just offering her body so anyone could do whatever they want. That would even explain the terrible idea for the music video with her being drugged by R. Kelly while they have a party with her while unconscious. I don't know how to write in english Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 51,837 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 20 hours ago, Bonkers said: maybe one of the differences was that the DWUW video appeared to glorify abuse, and the wrecking ball video wasn't about SA at all? I was gonna say this. The leaked MV scenes is probably what REALLY set off hyper criticism with R Kelly while Bieber for example as @weed pointed out was literally just a collab And yeah Wrecking ball was hyper sexual. But DWUW was literally harrassment. One gets much more criticism than the other so its not a perfect apples to apples comparison 21 hours ago, weed said: No one cares about the Beyonce Diddy song, still on streaming, no one cares about Justin Bieber having a song w R Kelly released in 2013, among many others, etc. Gaga just gets more heat Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 76,774 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Economy said: I was gonna say this. The leaked MV scenes is probably what REALLY set off hyper criticism with R Kelly while Bieber for example as @weed pointed out was literally just a collab And yeah Wrecking ball was hyper sexual. But DWUW was literally harrassment. One gets much more criticism than the other so its not a perfect apples to apples comparison I understand your POV but I don't agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 36,754 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 hours ago, nATAH said: gaga wasn't doing this either in 2013 Yeah, she was. She was in her “#PromoteOnlineKindness” bag We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 5,338 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 23 hours ago, Reject False Icons said: Old tea but did anybody point out the double standard Gaga faced from the DWUW music video, specifically from working with Terry Richardson It was really unfair to crucify her from working with him when just in November of 2013 he directed Miley Cyrus’s Wrecking Ball and it was an absolute hit and nobody even mentioned or cared about him directing the music video of such a popular song PS I just got to know that XO by Beyoncé which came out in December of 2013 (around the same time DWUW was supposed to release) is directed by Terry Richardson too well nobody canceled Bey at the time this just proves that when an artist has a hating streak, every little detail just adds to the stake they are being burned she got more flack for it cuz the song says do what u want to my body and thats what terry did to ppl. also gaga had an actual relationship with this guys for years. i mean he has a book of pics of just her ...... he worked on one miley video Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 51,837 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 51 minutes ago, weed said: I understand your POV but I don't agree. Lol to each their own. Im pretty convinced the controversy wouldnt be half as bad if the video and lyrical content were different 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 53,583 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Yeah, she was. She was in her “#PromoteOnlineKindness” bag but she was also in her clapping back era, she didn't go full kindness punk until around chromatica mother, what must i do? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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