MountainMonster 1,246 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 It’s truly all bad. It’s corny, tacky and self referential in all the worst ways - and I revisit it less than any other album. sexxx dreams is the best song on the album by a large margin. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCool 531 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 It's a great album and a great era. I think her peak popularity was 2009-2011 so there was gonna be a natural leveling off of her popularity after that. Artflop is only remembered by non fans within regards to this era Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour candy MV soon 35 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I genuinely think ARTPOP would have smashed if she never split with her manager. So much stuff she planned that never happened. **** you troy carter xxxx Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Probably her most overrated album. Applause is a fine song, but not lead single worthy. Applause and GUY are also honestly two of my least favorite singles from her. There’s some really good to great stuff on this record, but part of the reason why it’s aged so poorly for me is that the quality is incredibly uneven and the album is very front-loaded (Donatella -> MJH/Dope is the weakest part of the album, imo). I wish the album was more electroclash in the sense that the EDM production was supported by rockier/live feeling instrumentation (I think this would elevate a lot of the tracks) Also: the convoluted messaging surrounding the album is a huge turnoff for me. IMO, ARTPOP, looking at the album itself, is not an appropriate title for the record and I think it was only chosen because Gaga was at a point in her career where she wanted to plant her flag and make a statement to the execs who wanted her to change. The era being labeled ARTPOP makes sense, but the album doesn’t really come close to meeting that title. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, MountainMonster said: It’s truly all bad. It’s corny, tacky and self referential in all the worst ways - and I revisit it less than any other album. sexxx dreams is the best song on the album by a large margin. The overly self-referential element has always been such a turn off, tbh. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Oriane said: One of her best albums. The final version of Aura is way better than the demo, which just sounds like... a demo. In fact, most of these songs sound better than the demos or the iTunes festival versions, you just got used to these first and hearing the changes was uncomfortable. The only song that should have sounded like the iTunes version is Swine, but it's still very good as it is. DWUW original version is unfortunately better than the other ones. Their voices go very well together and the chorus is heavenly. The solo version is missing something, and the version with Christina just sounds like a growling contest. Swine and MANiCURE are some of her best songs. Gypsy is one of these ballads in her discography that are overproduced and it takes away the beauty of the song. You can barely appreciate her vocals on "toniiiiiiiight". The acoustic performances on the other hand... Dope is amazing, one of her most depressing ballads, her tone on it is incredible. G.U.Y. music video is terrible and one of her worst. I feel that y'all really don't appreciate how incredible the album sounds even after all this time. I've been doing Swine, Donatella, Venus etc at karaoke and people were LIVING for it even though they didn't know much about Gaga. I even have a friend who's never liked her and doesn't like pop in general and she recently told me that she decided to listen to Swine because of this, and she loved it and now we sing it together I'll probably add more later, I have so much to say about ARTPOP. I agree the the studio versions of MANiCURE and Sexxx Dreams in particular are an improvement on the Swinefest versions, but how flat the ambiance is on ARTPOP (song) compared to how dreamy and ethereal the live version was and how muted and dull the verse vocals on Aura are compared to the original leak are borderline unforgivable. Also disagree about it sounding great after all of this time because I think it sounded largely dated upon arrival. IMO, the thing that would’ve set it apart from a lot of the EDM at the time would be if she had made the record a true rock EDM fusion record. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Venom 45 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Nothin’ On (But The Radio) would’ve smashed as an official single + MV but I honestly don’t know how it was supposed to relate to the overall theme and concept of ARTPOP (guess that’s why it got chopped, justice for this song that did not see the light of the day but ended up elsewhere) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,046 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: The overly self-referential element has always been such a turn off, tbh. What do you mean? Idgi She writes music about herself, obviously it’s gonna be self-referential? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: What do you mean? Idgi She writes music about herself, obviously it’s gonna be self-referential? Personal =\= self-referential. Self-referential is more “this is about my image, my public persona, my career, my cultural impact” (“pop culture was in art, now art’s in pop culture in me”) which I think feels narrow in terms of it’s relatability and somewhat self-indulgent. Something being personal, on the other hand, would be more about her inner world. Generally, good personal writing attempts to take personal experience and make it feel universal and relatable, whereas overly self-referential writing is so specific as to exclude other people from being able to relate to it more deeply and project themselves into it. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 44 minutes ago, Electric Venom said: Nothin’ On (But The Radio) would’ve smashed as an official single + MV but I honestly don’t know how it was supposed to relate to the overall theme and concept of ARTPOP (guess that’s why it got chopped, justice for this song that did not see the light of the day but ended up elsewhere) Ngl most of the songs don’t relate to the “concept” of ARTPOP. Nothin’ On (But The Radio) fits the album as well as basically anything else on the record, imo. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,046 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said: Personal =\= self-referential. Self-referential is more “this is about my image, my public persona, my career, my cultural impact” (“pop culture was in art, now art’s in pop culture in me”) which I think feels narrow in terms of it’s relatability and somewhat self-indulgent. Something being personal, on the other hand, would be more about her inner world. Generally, good personal writing attempts to take personal experience and make it feel universal and relatable, whereas overly self-referential writing is so specific as to exclude other people from being able to relate to it more deeply and project themselves into it. Oh I see what you mean, like Nicki Pedoj is always self referential I don’t think Gaga does it a lot on ARTPOP though? Applause is the only time I see it, maybe the title track as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 28,046 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Ngl most of the songs don’t relate to the “concept” of ARTPOP. Nothin’ On (But The Radio) fits the album as well as basically anything else on the record, imo. True, but you could say the same about MAYHEM, except MAYHEM is less diverse than ARTPOP sonically 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilia Malinin 1,934 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 i like jewels n' drugs do you guys mind if i scream about the olympics 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: Oh I see what you mean, like Nicki Pedoj is always self referential I don’t think Gaga does it a lot on ARTPOP though? Applause is the only time I see it, maybe the title track as well? I’d say Aura and DWUW do it while striking the perfect balance between feeling immediate, raw/personal, and more relatable, but I think ARTPOP, Donatella, Fashion!, and MJH are all a bit too self-referential as well. Applause, imo, is the worst offender because, even if the stories/themes of those other songs are slightly too narrow for my liking, they still have a certain amount of emotional rawness, but Applause is a bit too purposefully meta theatrical and kind of plastic in a way that I think is interesting, but the lyrics are so clunky that it’s hard for it to totally land for me. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,319 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: True, but you could say the same about MAYHEM, except MAYHEM is less diverse than ARTPOP sonically Yeah, but at least MAYHEM’s concept doesn’t pretend to have this highfaultin pseudo-philosophical concept and just owns that it’s a framework to justify including genre eclecticism. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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