elegidadedios 2,668 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I barely listen to it because it's not specifically what I'm looking for in her (I much rather prefer her jazz projects), but objectively I know and consider it a must in her discography simply because of what it meant at the time to her career. My unpopular opinion: Come To Mama and Just Another Day (specially the first one) are the best tracks on the album and probably amongst her best ones overall. I hope she revisits the lyricism on CTM on future records 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout19 13,428 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 51 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: Hey Girl is reaaaaally good, one of her best produced songs ever do we agree on something?! i am a free woman. ○● 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,272 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) A-YO doesn’t deserve the **** it gets. It’s groovy, fun, catchy as hell, and her vocals are amazing. Perfect Illusion is quintessential Gaga and is top tier. Just Another Day is a smash and it’s refreshing to hear her do something so whimsical and warm. I would take an album entirely of JADs any day. John Wayne and Dancin’ In Circles are maybe two of my least favorite songs on the project, but I still think they’re good. Also I understand why PI was the lead single, but I honestly think Diamond Heart could’ve been a great lead single, as it establishes the sound, tone, and message of the record better than PI. Edited January 10 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,272 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 57 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said: A-YO is one of the best songs Her Dope vocals only work in the title track The album cover is a serve, iconic af She really didn’t seem to like Perfect Illusion despite saying 24/7 that she loved it She blantantly lied when she said the NFL gave her the Super Bowl after hearing the album, there’s literally no way They don’t even care about the quality of the artists’ music, they just want the hits She didn’t shade Madonna at all or even implied Madonna didn’t write/produced her music when she said “I write all my songs, I play a lot of instruments” etc., she just meant to say that it’s HER work Diamond Heart, Jown Wayne and Perfect Illusion are like the “worst” tracks from the album Hey Girl is reaaaaally good, one of her best produced songs ever There is no “original LG5” with “dark dance music” or whatever, it’s just that she didn’t have a clear vision of Joanne yet, but it was always gonna be toned down She abandoned RedOne only because she feared facing “thank you RedOne” comments, but RedOne should have stayed on the album and Angel Down’s quality was really diluted by Mark Ronson I love the album but fans need to stop pretending it has won a Grammy. It just factually has not. She won a Grammy for her vocal performance on a track that isn’t on the album. The song itself wasn’t awarded. The album wasn’t successful enough to be a major cause of her rebranding as a talented musician. Cheek To Cheek (album, tour and tribute era) and A Star Is Born were way more important than Joanne in her career trajectory. If anything, Million Reasons (that song ALONE) helped her. She could’ve honored her new trajectory as a serious musician without neglecting the quality of the music videos, which she really did. Actually, the album would’ve left the fans a much better memory. The vocal tone on Dope and Joanne are so completely different, pls 😭. The vocals on Joanne are *way* lighter both in tone and in timbre. Also she was absolutely shading Madonna in that interview lmao. When you say “*I* write my own songs etc etc” and are using someone else as a point of contrast, you’re implicitly saying that that other person *doesn’t* do those things. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTSEX 1,147 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) -Joanne (Piano version) should have been the album version -She only included Grigio girls out respect for Sonja -JAD is better than like half of the songs of the album -PI is a beautiful song, but doesn't work as single -JW (music video) is very underrated Edited January 10 by ARTSEX Dance. Sex. Art. Pop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,550 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Lee said: Though i enjoy the album, I'd argue Chromatica is much more personal thematically and lyrically than Joanne ever was Agree hard. It's an album *for* her dad while in the ASIB brainsapce, for sure. The funny thing is even the sound of Joanne isn't all that authentic to her. It's got very little of her inspirations on it. OT: - A collab with Beck should have been more interesting, but DIC is so so good and fun. - AYO is a hit, she's not wrong. A hit doesn't mean it becomes one imo just that it has that sauce which I do think AYO has plus her vocals on it are so good - MR is solid but also generic af; as a ballad, its popularity makes sense bc it's so vague and has christian pop arrangements but...i wish she'd stop scrubbing specificity out of her lyrics sometimes (see, the gypsy demos vs final) - Hey Girl 1000% sounds like Benny and the Jets lol - She should have held off releasing Joanne and gone through ASIB to then add the later scrapped follow-up songs to it that imo would have been better. Ik Ik she wouldn't have the Superbowl, etc. but idc. This is my fantasy. - Angel Down is so white savior lol - John Wayne has aged terribly and more with every passing day - I get why the label wanted to introduce her to another pop guy to help soften the album's direction but Bloodpop was a bad idea. The album felt uncommitted while her image was 1000% committed. - Joanne has one good line - Perfect Illusion is fine but the video is great - Sinner's Prayer is far and away the most synthesized and best executed song. It feels wistful, searching, but also rompy, silly and camp. Like John Wayne (the man) as a birthday clown and it works for me. - Besides PI and MR, there is not one single on this album - JAD is very much a studio mess around and I like that. It, like SP and DH, is a rare example of the album aesthetic of authenticity working bc Gagita loves her some Beatles. - The reviews were exactly what they should have been. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidsdaze 536 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 It’s by no means my top album, but I cherish it. It was a time and period in my life where I was coming to terms with myself and being gay in college and began my journey. I then shortly after came out to my family and best friends and this album was the soundtrack to it. I don’t revisit it as much, but Hey Girl, Just Another Day, John Wayne (the irony), and Perfect Illusion remain staples in my playlists. I’m also from Texas and the low key country vibes were easy for me to digest If Anne Hathawill, Anne Hathaway. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,272 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, Ziggy said: Agree hard. It's an album *for* her dad while in the ASIB brainsapce, for sure. The funny thing is even the sound of Joanne isn't all that authentic to her. It's got very little of her inspirations on it. OT: - A collab with Beck should have been more interesting, but DIC is so so good and fun. - AYO is a hit, she's not wrong. A hit doesn't mean it becomes one imo just that it has that sauce which I do think AYO has plus her vocals on it are so good - MR is solid but also generic af; as a ballad, its popularity makes sense bc it's so vague and has christian pop arrangements but...i wish she'd stop scrubbing specificity out of her lyrics sometimes (see, the gypsy demos vs final) - Hey Girl 1000% sounds like Benny and the Jets lol - She should have held off releasing Joanne and gone through ASIB to then add the later scrapped follow-up songs to it that imo would have been better. Ik Ik she wouldn't have the Superbowl, etc. but idc. This is my fantasy. - Angel Down is so white savior lol - John Wayne has aged terribly and more with every passing day - I get why the label wanted to introduce her to another pop guy to help soften the album's direction but Bloodpop was a bad idea. The album felt uncommitted while her image was 1000% committed. - Joanne has one good line - Perfect Illusion is fine but the video is great - Sinner's Prayer is far and away the most synthesized and best executed song. It feels wistful, searching, but also rompy, silly and camp. Like John Wayne (the man) as a birthday clown and it works for me. - Besides PI and MR, there is not one single on this album - JAD is very much a studio mess around and I like that. It, like SP and DH, is a rare example of the album aesthetic of authenticity working bc Gagita loves her some Beatles. - The reviews were exactly what they should have been. I agree with a lot of this (esp the Beck collab comment because, knowing she’s such a Midnite Vultures stan, I’d love to see them get freaky deaky on the track), but I don’t really see AD as being white savior. I think she very purposefully doesn’t center herself in the song, the lyrics, or the message surround it and makes it more about the pain/empathy she feels for those who have been victims of police brutality + systematic injustice. I know she sings “I’d rather save an angel down,” but that line, when stacked up against everything else, doesn’t really strike me as her centering her experience so much as it’s her expressing grief for victims of police brutality like Trayvon Martin, whereas a lot of the rest of the lyrics are more about stoking outrage and trying to inspire compassion, which I think is the right tone. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,550 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: I agree with a lot of this (esp the Beck collab comment because, knowing she’s such a Midnite Vultures stan, I’d love to see them get freaky deaky on the track), but I don’t really see AD as being white savior. I think she very purposefully doesn’t center herself in the song, the lyrics, or the message surround it and makes it more about the pain/empathy she feels for those who have been victims of police brutality + systematic injustice. I know she sings “I’d rather save an angel down,” but that line, when stacked up against everything else, doesn’t really strike me as her centering her experience so much as it’s her expressing grief for victims of police brutality like Trayvon Martin, whereas a lot of the rest of the lyrics are more about stoking outrage and trying to inspire compassion, which I think is the right tone. I think the song's existence and specific dedication kind of is, but more to me the "I'm reading the world and can't believe everyone's just watching on their phone *but im writing a song*" thing rubs me the wrong way. Not malicious from her, ofc, just one of those pretentious, on your high horse things theater kids do that bugs me. especially bc plenty of people were protesting?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mayhem 2,336 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I don't remember Joanne 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,272 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Ziggy said: I think the song's existence and specific dedication kind of is, but more to me the "I'm reading the world and can't believe everyone's just watching on their phone *but im writing a song*" thing rubs me the wrong way. Not malicious from her, ofc, just one of those pretentious, on your high horse things theater kids do that bugs me. especially bc plenty of people were protesting?? That’s fair, tbh. I never read it as being judgy or high horse-y as much as I thought she was trying to wake up some latent compassion from people who weren’t engaged + protesting and vindicating people who were. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,550 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: That’s fair, tbh. I never read it as being judgy or high horse-y as much as I thought she was trying to wake up some latent compassion from people who weren’t engaged + protesting and vindicating people who were. I’ll say I’m a little biased bc I was working in organizing at the time and pretty young so I think I was predisposed to being a little more sensitive about people’s well-meaning projections (ain’t that being young and petulant lol) on situations they weren’t immediately involved in seeing other people around me doing REALLY direct, invested work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 33,272 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Ziggy said: I’ll say I’m a little biased bc I was working in organizing at the time and pretty young so I think I was predisposed to being a little more sensitive about people’s well-meaning projections (ain’t that being young and petulant lol) on situations they weren’t immediately involved in seeing other people around me doing REALLY direct, invested work. “I like some of the Gaga songs, but what the **** does she know about organizing protests and direct action?” teas We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
himerosxo 423 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 - Perfect Illusion is criminally underrated. It deserved more as her ‘comeback’ from ARTPOP. - The album is emotionally sincere but sonically all over the place. It goes from country to rock, stripped pop to Americana, etc. it’s a concept album in itself. - Joanne is her bravest move. It’s like a diary where she just let it all out and it’s beautiful in its way. I see why the original LG5 concept was scrapped because she wasn’t ready to be uniform yet, so she stripped it back for the era. - The album and era’s aesthetic was perfect and it carried it out visually. - Million Reasons carried the album more than people can admit. - This was the perfect transition into ASIB. It set the stage for her to find herself as an actress again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahb 16,874 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Someone's probably gonna write a long, in-depth rant in reply to this that I won't read but uh, I think the album being dedicated to a woman she's literally never met in order to "save" her dad is kinda weird Watching 5 foot 2 and seeing Gaga all upset about her, it was kinda awkward explaining to my mum that she actually died before Gaga was born Edited January 10 by sarahb Do you feel him sir? 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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