Arianators Outrage As Ariana Grande Announces There Are No More Tour Dates

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2 hours ago, thedirtymonster said:

I mean, she could have done a Vegas residency and people would have been fine with that, but since she's spreading them out a little bit, people are ticked? Make it make sense. Tours are expensive to move around. Doing multiple shows in fewer locations makes sense monetarily if and artist is trying to have a profitable tour, and if it's not profitable, they aren't going to tour at all, so this makes total sense to me.

These are my exact thoughts. Adele did a residency and Munich and people flew from wherever to be there, same in Vegas. Obviously fans prefer a tour and want to see her in their cities but artists are finding more enjoyment planting themselves in cities and having the fans come to them. Unfortunately, it is what it is. 

[Morphine Prince 107,470]

3 hours ago, Bronco said:

Is columbian.

I love you but this triggers me so much 

Colombian*

[BUtterfield 8 41,616]

I get it, but from the beginning she said this wasn’t going to be a huge tour with limited dates.

I do wonder why she decided to do 10 London shows and not like spread some of those dates to other countries in Europe.

I didn’t even get tickets but my ass will be going one way or another 

Edited September 17 by BUtterfield 8

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8 hours ago, andy232000 said:

People need to understand LATAM doesn’t have the infrastructure nor professionalism to bring these massive artists. And I say that as a Latin American myself who works in the business.
 

A lot of the times countries simply do not have the state of the art equipment that make up these huge stages, and renting them is expensive, or the artist has to bring them (which cuts profit). That’s why we usually get modified and watered down stages, because it’s the only way to put the show without losses.
 

Then you have the fact that LiveNation doesn’t exist here, or representation is much more limited than other countries, so they have to find local production companies to put on the show, and that’s where lack of permits, delays and **** happens, because we just don’t have the qualified personnel to handle it all. There’s little music industry down here that isn’t local acts with small performances, so it really REALLY is hard to bring these A-list stars while keeping the integrity of the show intact.

 

And taxes here are crazy. In my country the artist has to forfeit like 30% of the tickets just to play here. It’s simply not an attractive place to play from the business aspect.
 

Now, would it have been nice for Arianna to foot the bill herself or play at a loss? Yes, but at the end of that day it’s still a business to her and her partners, and it makes no sense to spend 2 Million dollars in shipment and putting on the show if your profit is going to barely let you break even or even lose a few thousand bucks. 

she's already making a loss by option out of dynamic pricing as well. she can't just opt out of every single profit making aspect of her tour and do the concerts for free either, her label would never allow that. 

[hELXIG 43,670]

All concert tours these days are a f.ucking joke. From extremely limited runs to absolutely insane prices, out of control dynamic pricing with Ticketmaster holding us at ransom because they have the monopoly on ticket sales, tickets going on sale literally the day after the tours are announced with no care for the people who might need to plan first (literally Ashnikko announced her tour yesterday and tickets went on sale this morning), no announcements of what kind of tickets/packages are going to be sold until you get through the queue and into the checkout, absolutely no crowd control and insane antics at the venue doors that don't priorotise entry to those who were there first with no queueing systems, inhumanely hot venues with no air conditioning, tours being announced in random chunks with noone being told if there are or aren't more dates coming, only digital tickets now so if your phone goes flat you can't enter, ticketmaster freezing at the checkout and people losing tickets (this initially happened to me with my Gaga tickets and others I know). Its a goddamn MESS

I miss the days where it would be like: here is the entire confirmed world tour dates, tickets are going on sale in 3 weeks, there will be these 3 ticket packages (eg early entry, seats, GA), ONE presale for fans signed up to the mailing list to get first priority, and the nosebleed seats are gonna be cheap as **** so everyone gets a chance to go, tickets will be mailed to you or you can print them out. It used to be so amazing. Everything has fallen apart

[salty like sodium 2,120]

8 hours ago, hELXIG said:

All concert tours these days are a f.ucking joke. From extremely limited runs to absolutely insane prices, out of control dynamic pricing with Ticketmaster holding us at ransom because they have the monopoly on ticket sales, tickets going on sale literally the day after the tours are announced with no care for the people who might need to plan first (literally Ashnikko announced her tour yesterday and tickets went on sale this morning), no announcements of what kind of tickets/packages are going to be sold until you get through the queue and into the checkout, absolutely no crowd control and insane antics at the venue doors that don't priorotise entry to those who were there first with no queueing systems, inhumanely hot venues with no air conditioning, tours being announced in random chunks with noone being told if there are or aren't more dates coming, only digital tickets now so if your phone goes flat you can't enter, ticketmaster freezing at the checkout and people losing tickets (this initially happened to me with my Gaga tickets and others I know). Its a goddamn MESS

I miss the days where it would be like: here is the entire confirmed world tour dates, tickets are going on sale in 3 weeks, there will be these 3 ticket packages (eg early entry, seats, GA), ONE presale for fans signed up to the mailing list to get first priority, and the nosebleed seats are gonna be cheap as **** so everyone gets a chance to go, tickets will be mailed to you or you can print them out. It used to be so amazing. Everything has fallen apart

At least Ariana didn't use dynamic pricing. It was cute to see lower bowl seats at a reasonable price. And I love that her VIPest package includes the opportunity to write her a postcard.

However I don't ever remember touring being much different, aside from less dynamic pricing. The BTWB was pretty much put on sale 10 days after the first announcement (in Asia) which is very similar to how many days there were between Ariana's announcement and the tickets going on presale. Beyoncé also had similar presales.

Taylor did do something where fans who bought the album could allegedly get tickets first but even that was a mess because she only sent codes to SOME fans and those who never received codes were never able to buy tickets in the UK since she never opened the sale to people who never reiceved a code. 

[Vimo 1,207]

As a Montrealer, I'm just happy we got her instead of Toronto

[waterfall 812]

Feel bad for LATAM and Asian fans

in usa I wish she did more cities instead of 3 stops at certain cities… like why 3 stops in Austin… why couldn’t she do 1 in Dallas so I don’t need to travel etc 

[Idefix1999 198]

Her way of touring isn't new... look at Madonna's tours in 2001 and 2004. Selected cities in the US with multiple nights and a bunch of shows in London, in addition to a few more shows in other European cities. Her last global tour was in 1993. She took 12 years to come back to Japan, 15 for Latam and 23 for Australia and other Asian countries. And it's been already another 9 years since these shows happened... 

[AsleepOnTheCeiling 6,626]

10 hours ago, hELXIG said:

All concert tours these days are a f.ucking joke. From extremely limited runs to absolutely insane prices, out of control dynamic pricing with Ticketmaster holding us at ransom because they have the monopoly on ticket sales, tickets going on sale literally the day after the tours are announced with no care for the people who might need to plan first (literally Ashnikko announced her tour yesterday and tickets went on sale this morning), no announcements of what kind of tickets/packages are going to be sold until you get through the queue and into the checkout, absolutely no crowd control and insane antics at the venue doors that don't priorotise entry to those who were there first with no queueing systems, inhumanely hot venues with no air conditioning, tours being announced in random chunks with noone being told if there are or aren't more dates coming, only digital tickets now so if your phone goes flat you can't enter, ticketmaster freezing at the checkout and people losing tickets (this initially happened to me with my Gaga tickets and others I know). Its a goddamn MESS

I miss the days where it would be like: here is the entire confirmed world tour dates, tickets are going on sale in 3 weeks, there will be these 3 ticket packages (eg early entry, seats, GA), ONE presale for fans signed up to the mailing list to get first priority, and the nosebleed seats are gonna be cheap as **** so everyone gets a chance to go, tickets will be mailed to you or you can print them out. It used to be so amazing. Everything has fallen apart

My biggest gripe w Ashnikko's presale is that my email for her tour just loaded, and it only came 3 hours before the presale. But at least her ticket prices are reasonable. 

[Ricardo 7,956]

she could have done Mexico City easily but her choice 

[Economy 50,723]

21 hours ago, andy232000 said:

People need to understand LATAM doesn’t have the infrastructure nor professionalism to bring these massive artists. And I say that as a Latin American myself who works in the business.
 

A lot of the times countries simply do not have the state of the art equipment that make up these huge stages, and renting them is expensive, or the artist has to bring them (which cuts profit). That’s why we usually get modified and watered down stages, because it’s the only way to put the show without losses.
 

Then you have the fact that LiveNation doesn’t exist here, or representation is much more limited than other countries, so they have to find local production companies to put on the show, and that’s where lack of permits, delays and **** happens, because we just don’t have the qualified personnel to handle it all. There’s little music industry down here that isn’t local acts with small performances, so it really REALLY is hard to bring these A-list stars while keeping the integrity of the show intact.

 

And taxes here are crazy. In my country the artist has to forfeit like 30% of the tickets just to play here. It’s simply not an attractive place to play from the business aspect.
 

Now, would it have been nice for Arianna to foot the bill herself or play at a loss? Yes, but at the end of that day it’s still a business to her and her partners, and it makes no sense to spend 2 Million dollars in shipment and putting on the show if your profit is going to barely let you break even or even lose a few thousand bucks. 

I feel like he explained the infrastructure challanges and costs better than I did @StrawberryBlond as this is more detailed than my more generic superficial knowledge of it

 

Im not bringing it up again to insist on being right or anything like that. I just failed to explain properly and I thought this post summed it up well. I knew the costs they were talking about had nothing to do with flights and hotels cuz thats peanuts from a tour perspective, but I couldnt explain it properly cuz my knowledge of the infrastructure and services gaps in some of these Countries is kinda fragmented and I have only a vague idea of what the issues are

 

I still think ur right that from an artists integrity standpoint profit shouldnt be everything tho.

[Bronco 13,725]

23 minutes ago, Idefix1999 said:

Her way of touring isn't new... look at Madonna's tours in 2001 and 2004. Selected cities in the US with multiple nights and a bunch of shows in London, in addition to a few more shows in other European cities. Her last global tour was in 1993. She took 12 years to come back to Japan, 15 for Latam and 23 for Australia and other Asian countries. And it's been already another 9 years since these shows happened... 

I mean touring was a different beast back then - significantly less profitable as a general rule and so tours were generally smaller anyway. 

But Madonna in the early 00s was raising little kids, once Lourdes and Rocco were past the toddler stage she went back to larger tours like Sticky & Sweet.

Tbh though, while I think Madonna likes performing I don't think she likes touring 😅

[andy232000 12,546]

6 minutes ago, Economy said:

I feel like he explained the infrastructure challanges and costs better than I did @StrawberryBlond as this is more detailed than my more generic superficial knowledge of it

 

Im not bringing it up again to insist on being right or anything like that. I just failed to explain properly and I thought this post summed it up well. I knew the costs they were talking about had nothing to do with flights and hotels cuz thats peanuts from a tour perspective, but I couldnt explain it properly cuz my knowledge of the infrastructure and services gaps in some of these Countries is kinda fragmented and I have only a vague idea of what the issues are

 

I still think ur right that from an artists integrity standpoint profit shouldnt be everything tho.

Infrastructure is probably the most challenging aspect of bringing tours to LATAM yes. While any artist can travel across the US and have different arenas lend parts of the equipment to speed up stage building, or it’s more cheap to travel across the US with the artist equipment, here in LATAM our arenas don’t have such perks, so the artist either pays to have the full stage shipped via boat cargo (which takes time too), or they agree to use our less than ideal equipment and then sustain fans complaining that they didn’t bring the full production. It’s never going to be a situation where everyone is happy. 
 

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2 hours ago, Vimo said:

As a Montrealer, I'm just happy we got her instead of Toronto

As a Toronto resident, I'm kinda happy for you guys 

Saves either of us having to the go the US at least.