Should Gaga be a billionaire?

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Feel the bills under your exploited feet

The system's on fire

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8 minutes ago, Jakesnyders673 said:

This is so exaggerated.  Children aren't "starving" in developed countries like the U.S.

12.9% of Americans as of 2023 statistics lived in poverty.

That is 43 million Americans in poverty.

10 million of those were children. A childhood poverty rate of 13.9%.

In 2021, the childhood poverty rate was 5.2%.

At least 150,000 children in 2024 spent at least 1 night homeless.

18% of households with children could not afford to provide adequate food. 

29% of households where children skipped at least 1 daily meal report it happening regularly each month. 

So do these kids not exist to you? Are kids going without food not at risk of starving? Is 10 million children living in poverty in the richest country in the world an exaggeration of the problem? 

 

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Just now, Bronco said:

The american model doesn't rule the world.

In the last 6 months alone multiple nations have been moved away from it and sought out greater allegiances with American opposition as a result of Trump's tarrifs (which are in itself a major attack on the american model of capitalism).

Major global economies have started reorientating themselves away from Amercia - without a single drop of blood.

Its even led countries who were effectively engaging in cold war practicies to seek greater peaceful collaboration. 

America is actively giving up its power in the world because the billionaires ****ed up and installed an uncontrollable puppet who actively threatens their existence 😂

Trump is an idiot and eroded most of America's soft power in just a few months BUT the us dollar is still tied to pretty much everything.

And I know nations are distancing themselfs from america but their economic model remains the same no? Nothing is changing. Even nations like china have +800 billionaires  

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Just now, lastpopicon said:

Trump is an idiot and eroded most of America's soft power in just a few months BUT the us dollar is still tied to pretty much everything.

And I know nations are distancing themselfs from america but their economic model remains the same no? Nothing is changing. Even nations like china have +800 billionaires  

Look at the latest statistics from investors. The world is divesting from investing in the US dollar as it is no longer seen as a reliable bet. 

And economic models are changing outside of America because of Trump's 2nd presidency. 

Nations are repivoting themselves in response to the 2024 election confirming their worst fears from 2016-2020. That America is not going through a blip, it is no longer a stable reliable ally. 

As a result, almost every major western economy is looking at returning to their older systems of semi-controlled economies that the Reagan era worked so hard to destroy. And its not a left v right issue in the American sphere of influence - right wing populism (inspired by Trump) is a major crusader in the resurrection of the post-war european consensus on state run industry. 

All the hallmarks of capitalism are falling in the western economies, besieged by left & right wing parties, without any conflict occuring. State infrastructure is being returned in house, financial institution independence is being eroded, states are increasingly prioritising self-reliance and where they can't they are pivoting to the Eastern state run command economies. 

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why should she tho?

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11 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Look at the latest statistics from investors. The world is divesting from investing in the US dollar as it is no longer seen as a reliable bet. 

And economic models are changing outside of America because of Trump's 2nd presidency. 

Nations are repivoting themselves in response to the 2024 election confirming their worst fears from 2016-2020. That America is not going through a blip, it is no longer a stable reliable ally. 

As a result, almost every major western economy is looking at returning to their older systems of semi-controlled economies that the Reagan era worked so hard to destroy. And its not a left v right issue in the American sphere of influence - right wing populism (inspired by Trump) is a major crusader in the resurrection of the post-war european consensus on state run industry. 

All the hallmarks of capitalism are falling in the western economies, besieged by left & right wing parties, without any conflict occuring. State infrastructure is being returned in house, financial institution independence is being eroded, states are increasingly prioritising self-reliance and where they can't they are pivoting to the Eastern state run command economies. 

The nations spearheading the efforts to replace the US dollar are Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, I just struggle to think of a scenario where the US won't protect its interests, especially if middle east countries stop pegging their currency to the dollar.

See what happens if saudi arabia stops pegging their currency to the dollar, they would get a freedom call really fast The same can be said for anything that actually jeopardizes american interests, and if push comes to shove, the UK  and the EU will get dragged into it, probably making our lives even worse lmao 

But sure, imagine we somehow can get rid of capitalism, what is the alternative economic model? How do we sustain it? How do we guarantee there's no wealth disparity? How can any of this be achieved?

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I don't think anyone should be a billionaire, but I wouldn't stop being her fan.

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2 hours ago, lastpopicon said:

aren't you a Taylor stan? 

same goes for her too, a billionaire is a billionaire 

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9 minutes ago, lastpopicon said:

The nations spearheading the efforts to replace the US dollar are Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, I just struggle to think of a scenario where the US won't protect its interests, especially if middle east countries stop pegging their currency to the dollar.

See what happens if saudi arabia stops pegging their currency to the dollar, they would get a freedom call really fast The same can be said for anything that actually jeopardizes american interests, and if push comes to shove, the UK  and the EU will get dragged into it, probably making our lives even worse lmao 

But sure, imagine we somehow can get rid of capitalism, what is the alternative economic model? How do we sustain it? How do we guarantee there's no wealth disparity? How can any of this be achieved?

You don't need to get rid of capitalism to be rid of the extreme wealth disparity we see under neoliberalism. 

Keynesian economics work, and it was only the IMF promoting Reganism that led to the weaker economies abandoning Keynesian policy through essentially economic warfare.

And now, 40+ years on we've returned to the very societal issues and the near societal collapses which led to the creation and adoption of Keynesian economics. 

We know the solution. It is the exact same solution for the exact same problems we had 100 years ago.

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Just now, Bronco said:

You don't need to get rid of capitalism to be rid of the extreme wealth disparity we see under neoliberalism. 

Keynesian economics work, and it was only the IMF promoting Reganism that led to the weaker economies abandoning Keynesian policy through essentially economic warfare.

And now, 40+ years on we've returned to the very societal issues and the near societal collapses which led to the creation and adoption of Keynesian economics. 

We know the solution. It is the exact same solution for the exact same problems we had 100 years ago.

then you lost me 'cause I was responding to a post specifically saying that capitalism should totally end, which is total fantasy in today's world IMO, and your first post was responding to that reply of mine.

Unsure why you replied with such vitriol tbh, because I think you know it would take a bloody word war to actually get rid of all capitalism, well, maybe not billions dead but I don't want to find out, there's way to many interests at hand.

Look, I know it's bad, I know we have many problems, but we should try to fix the system, not throwing it all way in hopes of something better coming along (spoiler alert, it won't be better), maybe when we reach star trek generations level of tech, and even then, I doubt it. 

If you ask me, cap all personal wealth to 1B, but then you are limiting a freedom of another person (sounds stupid but its true) but IT IS a slippery slope, because then we can argue that 100M is to much, or even 1M is to much, the correct response here IMO is taxing, allow people to do whatever they want but tax it appropriately and end the loopholes rich people use.

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Only if we get an 8 track Total Myahem EP with a music video for every song because she can afford it! 

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3 minutes ago, lastpopicon said:

then you lost me 'cause I was responding to a post specifically saying that capitalism should totally end, which is total fantasy in today's world IMO, and your first post was responding to that reply of mine.

Unsure why you replied with such vitriol tbh, because I think you know it would take a bloody word war to actually get rid of all capitalism, well, maybe not billions dead but I don't want to find out, there's way to many interests at hand.

Look, I know it's bad, I know we have many problems, but we should try to fix the system, not throwing it all way in hopes of something better coming along (spoiler alert, it won't be better), maybe when we reach star trek generations level of tech, and even then, I doubt it. 

If you ask me, cap all personal wealth to 1B, but then you are limiting a freedom of another person (sounds stupid but its true) but IT IS a slippery slope, because then we can argue that 100M is to much, or even 1M is to much, the correct response here IMO is taxing, allow people to do whatever they want but tax it appropriately and end the loopholes rich people use.

Because I fully disagree with the notion that the change in economic models would require a world war and kill billions.

I stand by the fact that the very idea of it is laughable and that the concept is firmly routed in deranged ideation of how the world works. Its not rooted in reality in the slightest. 

The third world war has already begun. It began over a decade ago. And no super power will ever need to engage in direct action against another to end it. Because the victor of the war has already been decided and we've entered the final stage where the realignment of the geopolitical order is being decided.  And its all been done with essentially one regional conflict which isnt over, but the ending is already written. 

Trump is the proof of it, the Russian lapdog doing Putin's dirty work to end the western way. And Putin's played the distraction perfectly for Xi. 

Neoliberalism is on its death bed. And those of in western states who risked it are now slowly reverting to the previous market/paternialistic socialism we successfully used to recover from the last experiment with unchecked capital. The difference is, this time we're the bottom of the pile. We have little to no national industry, little to no state owned natural resources and minimal self-reliance. And the Chinese sphere of influence is calling.

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1 minute ago, Bronco said:

Because I fully disagree with the notion that the change in economic models would require a world war and kill billions.

I stand by the fact that the very idea of it is laughable and that the concept is firmly routed in deranged ideation of how the world works. Its not rooted in reality in the slightest. 

The third world war has already begun. It began over a decade ago. And no super power will ever need to engage in direct action against another to end it. Because the victor of the war has already been decided and we've entered the final stage where the realignment of the geopolitical order is being decided.  And its all been done with essentially one regional conflict which isnt over, but the ending is already written. 

Trump is the proof of it, the Russian lapdog doing Putin's dirty work to end the western way. And Putin's played the distraction perfectly for Xi. 

Neoliberalism is on its death bed. And those of in western states who risked it are now slowly reverting to the previous market/paternialistic socialism we successfully used to recover from the last experiment with unchecked capital. The difference is, this time we're the bottom of the pile. We have little to no national industry, little to no state owned natural resources and minimal self-reliance. And the Chinese sphere of influence is calling.

I don't subscribe to the notion we are at world war 3 and I find laughable that you actually think that lol We have proxies wars like we always had since 1945,

Politically, the world was far far more unstable in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even 90's and we didn't have any world wars lol With far more incendiary proxies wars...

And doesn't china have +800 billionaires? How is Neoliberalism on its deathbead if the Chineses sphere of influence is calling? Seems like you are contradicting yourself ngl. China is just another side of the same coin.

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No one should be a billionaire. Not even Gaga.

And Gaga is NOT one of us. I think it's incredibly naive to believe she is like us. It doesn't matter if the person is queer or an ally, they are not one of us. We need to stop believing that we (lower and middle class) have anything in common with the elites (millionaires and billionaires). They live in a different world than all of us. Peter Thiel is a gay billionaire and he is NOT one of us.

Gaga walks around with Hermès bags. She flies private. She has multi-million dollar homes. Yes, she can have all of those, but no one should ever amass enough wealth to reach billionaire status. She, and others who are wealthier, do not need more wealth. No one "deserves" to be a billionaire. No amount of hardwork can ever be enough of a reason for one to become a billionaire. There is simply no justification. 

 

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Just because you think nobody, including her, should hoard that amount of money doesn't mean you love Gaga's art any less. Yeah, there are other billionaries who don't deserve their wealth, that doesn't mean it's ok for Gaga to become a billionaire. What kind of argument is that? If anything, we should want a better redistribution of wealth, not that another already-rich person joins the billionaire club just because she is our favorite artist and we think that gives her a special status above others.