GAGA and her team fumbled the momentum they had after coachella and copacobana

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Little Managers are at it again. Time to retire, hun!

[OMF 3,482]

3 hours ago, Debithius said:

She said she doesn't have any pain anymore though. I know it could flare up though.

It’s chronic pain. There is nothing stopping it “forever”. She is probably keeping it under as much control as possible, helps to have the money and means to get the help needed. But in no way is it something that can be predicated or just “go away”. Unless she never actually had it in the first place and was misdiagnosed 

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3 hours ago, Debithius said:

She said she doesn't have any pain anymore though. I know it could flare up though.

What she said is she’s 99% pain free and that she still has her days where it flares up

[Taumaturg0 588]

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

Why do people crave stadium tours?

Gaga has never done a stadium tour on the scale of Beyonce/Taylor/Metallica.

 

BTWBT says hi. At least internationally, she's played the biggest stadiums

[Bronco 11,967]

10 minutes ago, Taumaturg0 said:

BTWBT says hi. At least internationally, she's played the biggest stadiums

BTWBT was an arena stage used in a stadium on some dates in some locations. 

It is not a production comparable to Renaissance/Cowboy Carter/Reputation/Eras/M72 which are specifically built stages for stadium shows only and would need an entirely new stage built to convert into an arena production.

[PartySick 161,151]

1 hour ago, HeAteMyh3art said:

I think they only missed out on a summer single, you know what happened in miami 3 years ago, you DO NOT want that

I was there  

It was an awful way to end that era  

OT: Stadium concerts suck tbh. Arenas are much more suited to live music and Gaga knows this which is why she's on an arena tour.

[FreedomInTheMusic 600]

This has probably been my favorite era of hers 😅 Honestly, I couldn’t be happier with how it’s all worked itself out. Cheers to them for pulling it all off

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2 hours ago, TEANUS said:

Totally disagree. Nothing was gonna kill either of these singles IMO. Abracadabra was pretty dead on radio by the time summer really started but was still doing decent Spotify numbers WW. DWAS and Abracadabra all did pretty well on pop radio in ways Gaga hasn’t since ARTPOP and Applause. I think we could’ve at least gotten a Marry The Night sized hit and a sick video. A video for VIY also had a decent chance of going viral in Brazil/Latin America. These things would’ve only built the momentum for the album

I will say I think the absence of another single could have set the stage really well for Dead Dance, we shall see…

Okay, but what exactly do you mean by "built the momentum for the album"? The album was released in March to fantastic reviews and sales, Abracadabra was by no means "dead" by summer (it reached its peak on Pop Radio in June), and they've been planning to release a single and MV with Wednesday S2 in September.

We're 1 week away, and MAYHEM is sitting close to the Top 50 of Billboard. What "momentum" would the millions needed to invest in promoting a 4-month old song via MV, radio support, playlisting, etc., translate into that would be worth diverting time and resources away from preparing for her acclaimed and essentially sold-out tour that began in July after a series of hugely successful stadium shows from April - June?

An MV with 20M views, 15M AI on Radio, and short-term 200k boost in Spotify streams doesn't translate into anything close to the incremental album sales and future ticket sales a post-album single like MTN was capable of providing in 2011. 

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Chromatica Ball was a Stadium show that worked because it was during COVID, Gaga's health wasn't as great as it  is right now, they needed an open space with audience not so close to her, few shows to get as many people so it wouldn't be a long tour, etc. She has done this and it was great. For Mayhem she wants to focus on the SHOW, the visuals, the experience, the audience. I'm so glad she decided to do this because it looks amazing and it's her best since the Born This Way Ball.

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I don't really care

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Stadiums notoriously suck as concert venues and are extremely hard to put on a show in; the sound sucks, you can’t see ****. Especially for a show that is as theatrical as this one is. It makes sense for something larger in scale, and even then I wouldn’t say it’s a great experience. This show is way more intimate, and I don’t think that’s an accident when you consider how distant from fans Gaga was during Chromatica. Worry less about numbers and consider that she’s out here trying to reconnect with us as much as possible. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn’t mean she should follow.

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4 hours ago, nATAH said:

why are you so obsessed with stadiums and profit is the real question... you just want high numbers to gloat about on twitter

you don't truly care for her success, you just care more about having a figure to show off and if you've seen the show, you'd know it wouldn't work in stadiums

I have to agree with this post but in a nicer way  Gaga touring arenas is actually more profitable compared to stadiums most likely... I thought this thread was going into a VIY rant after Copa at first lol (which I would agree with - 1M+ daily streams with zero promo, put it on radio ASAP). 

[Mr S 8,689]

Yeah someone fumbled the bad big time. I also don't buy the "we wanted a tour sooner" excuse. We all knew she was releasing an album all of 2024. They ha plenty of time to plan a tour. Even if it was a last minute decision, these stadiums are not booked every day In every city. Well never the know the true reason I guess.

 

I don't want stadiums because of numbers. I want it for efficiency and ease on her body. She is doing 6 shows at MSG when she could be doing 2-3. This tour is going on longer than it needs to, she is performing more than she needs to. That's less time for her, less time to plan new projects, less time to start a family, less time to spend with family, and more strenuous on the body and voice.  

 

Also regardless of numbers, it helps build her legacy. Bey and Taylor reached a new level In the media due to their recent stadium tours. Gaga would have joined them.

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2 hours ago, JustJames said:

Okay, but what exactly do you mean by "built the momentum for the album"? The album was released in March to fantastic reviews and sales, Abracadabra was by no means "dead" by summer (it reached its peak on Pop Radio in June), and they've been planning to release a single and MV with Wednesday S2 in September.

We're 1 week away, and MAYHEM is sitting close to the Top 50 of Billboard. What "momentum" would the millions needed to invest in promoting a 4-month old song via MV, radio support, playlisting, etc., translate into that would be worth diverting time and resources away from preparing for her acclaimed and essentially sold-out tour that began in July after a series of hugely successful stadium shows from April - June?

An MV with 20M views, 15M AI on Radio, and short-term 200k boost in Spotify streams doesn't translate into anything close to the incremental album sales and future ticket sales a post-album single like MTN was capable of providing in 2011. 

Abracadabra was collapsing on pop radio by the end of June when summer was in full swing. Vanish Into You hit 1M daily streams on Spotify after Copacabana and the stadium shows in Mexico and Singapore. A video for it certainly would’ve only continued that momentum. I don’t think the millions in question would be an issue because if the label didn’t want to fund it, Gaga/michael could themselves. The video would also certainly do at least 100 million views or probably nearing it because of the song’s vitality in Brazil. Plus the boosts/stability it would’ve added to the album, Abra, etc.

Shes doing great regardless, but I don’t understand the argument that another single or at least visual would have done anything but build upon the era’s success and prowess

[Monstermilo 4,645]

5 hours ago, Bronco said:

Why do people crave stadium tours?

Gaga has never done a stadium tour on the scale of Beyonce/Taylor/Metallica.

And stadium tours are ****. 

Bad views. Bad acoustics. Way more health risks involved if you're standing during the summer. The vast majority of stadiums are open air and at risk of weather problems & the open roof leads to **** lighting. 

I've never seen a stadium show (and I've been to several) where I thought "this couldn't be done better in an arena".

stop saying that - the chromatica ball tour was as stadium tour, so she would literally just switch venues from the arenas shes in now....

her and the labels costs for shipping and stage materials would be higher but shes shownthat shes capable of it. 

she did coachella, copa and several dates in mexico and asia this year in stadiums, shes proven that she can do a stadium tour, im not sure why youre saying she doesnt have the ability or resources to do a stadium tour. 

girl its gaga the monster ball was 202 shows, she could easily do 75 stadium tour dates and spread them out over a year. if post malone and chris brown can do stadiums, gaga easiky could do stadiums.

Edited August 30 by Monstermilo