Lil Nas X charged with four felonies

[RenegAde 19,922]

2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

You can absolutely blame the system. The system is the reason people can be isolated and taken advantage of - because there's no help made available to them and they are treated as a criminal. 

I absolutely can fault the cops and the call recievers. Because we have decades of evidence of how the way they categorize and treat these incidents make outcomes worse. 

Someone with a history of low mental health, going through a rough time is ripe for being taken advantage of by people with ill intentions - as we all very much agree is the likely case here. 

The difference is - you blame them for being taken advantage of and want to criminalise them. I want them to be given help & prevent them becoming a statistic. 

You’re bringing up the long history of police misconduct which is valid, but in this specific case there’s no evidence of it yet atleast. If you can’t point to a single act of misconduct here, what exactly are you basing the blame on? 

Listen, we can support him and even vulnerable drug users in general, without deflecting responsibility or blaming “the big bad system” when the facts don’t support it.

Also, We can (and should) call out the system when it actually does something wrong  but let’s reserve that for when the facts line up. It this case, it reads as yalling at the rain for getting you wet.

According to the reports, the police even called paramedics once they suspected drugs. Im skeptical of these reports too but thats the only factual record we have so far.

[Defmix100 6,479]

51 minutes ago, Bronco said:

You can absolutely blame the system. The system is the reason people can be isolated and taken advantage of - because there's no help made available to them and they are treated as a criminal.

Couldn't he have checked himself into rehab?

[Bronco 13,474]

6 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

Couldn't he have checked himself into rehab?

He could have - but if you've ever dealt with addiction, you'd understand that an individual's path to rehab without intervention by external support is not quick and easy. 

He'd have to reached a point where he recognised that the people around him were enabling bad habits. He'd have to be at a point he recognises his substance use was a problem. And he'd need to be at a point where he is able to recognise he needs the help. 

None of those are easy steps. Which is why it is better when we have systems in place that can make direct early intervention to support people before it has to spiral further. 

[PartySick 162,598]

2 hours ago, Bronco said:

Treating drug users as addicts who need help & responding to them ethically has been employed in multiple locations at this point in time. And it works. It leads to a reduction in negative outcomes for users & society as a whole. 

No one is saying that crime should go without punishment. I'm stating that alternatives to the existing system in the US are available and have a proven track record of delivering better outcomes for everyone.

Building a Bronco shrine in my house as we speak tbh

[Magneto 13,477]

The way I fully thought this way promo, but he's actually facing prison time. I really hope het gets the help he needs

[Defmix100 6,479]

3 hours ago, Bronco said:

He could have - but if you've ever dealt with addiction, you'd understand that an individual's path to rehab without intervention by external support is not quick and easy. 

He'd have to reached a point where he recognised that the people around him were enabling bad habits. He'd have to be at a point he recognises his substance use was a problem. And he'd need to be at a point where he is able to recognise he needs the help. 

None of those are easy steps. Which is why it is better when we have systems in place that can make direct early intervention to support people before it has to spiral further. 

Hopefully this is his wake up call, I love his first album and hope he bounces back, this can just be a dip in a longer career

[Knife 6,934]

Damn, I hope he gets help. 

[Economy 50,685]

10 hours ago, Bronco said:

Every bit of decades long policy research states that cops are the problem. 

You send people seen as abusers and aggressors into a situation where they are dealing with vulnerable people who are the usual victims of the abuse. That always ends in escalation because it triggers fear responses.

Especially when you factor in this is the American police - the most militarised and heavily armed police force in a democratic state. A police force widely known for its abuses, corruption, aggression, bigotry and summary executions. 

The war on drugs has failed. We have countries like Portugal who have used alternative methods for 20+ years at this point to great success. 

Hell, on a similar issue where trained support workers would be better than police, look at the Rotherham child abuse scandal in England. Social workers repeatedly raised concerns through the police as they are required to due to the system prioritising police - and guess what the police did with the victims? They abused them themselves and then sent them back to their traffickers and got the social workers removed from the area. 

The police arent fit for purpose. The police should not be our first port of call in a storm. 

 

 

I will agree with the aspect that we rely on police for too many types of calls (and yes as i acknowledged) they are often too agressive too quickly

[StrawberryBlond 14,986]

20 hours ago, PartySick said:

Ah yes, and women are famously the only people who are victims of sexual crimes and men existing period is always a threat to the safety of those around them  

Cops should be secondary responders to situations like this, that's just the objective reality. You don't send a militarized armed force notorious for escalation and executing folks just 'cause someone's in their underwear and you're scared.

Just pointing out that it's natural that a man doesn't see this is a big deal. For women, this is frightening. We occupy different worlds when it comes to this. Of course anyone could theoretically be in danger but it's women who will be the most frightened. And as someone is naked, there's no fear they could have a weapon on them, so there isn't any real chance of cops shooting them (yes, in America, anything can happen but as long as you're clearly unarmed, it's a lot more unlikely). Indecent exposure is a crime, so of course the police should be called. Because not everyone walking about naked has mental health issues.