Lil Nas X charged with four felonies

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3 hours ago, PartySick said:

Cops shouldn't be responding to potential mental health calls as anything but back up to the real professionals

Bro punched a cop. That's hardly a crime in this day and age, lbr  

Anyway, I hope he's ok. He remains one of my faves

seriously! & thank you for writing this 

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Just based on the info I’ve read, I do think it sounds like he needs treatment rather than punitive jail time. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you’re looking at it) when it comes to drugs and alcohol, you’re still held responsible for your actions under the influence. This is why drugs are dangerous- they can be harmful to you, or cause you to be harmful to others. 

Without having seen video of the actual arrest and how it was handled, I can’t really pass judgment on if Nas’s physicality toward the police was instigated and avoidable. In a perfect world (or even a marginally better one) we would have proper dispatch channels for help that aren’t just the police and could recognize the signs of his impairment better, but alas, police are who respond when an erratic man is reported singing and walking in the streets in his underwear at 4am. 

I really hope he gets the help he actually needs, and not just time behind bars for the sake of it.  it’s a really sad situation, I hate drugs so much. 

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He's clearly been taking his career downfall very badly. It's sad when someone breaks down so publicly. He's very lucky that something really bad didn't happen to him. People have died in similar circumstances through walking into traffic, falling into water, etc. I dread to think what company he's been keeping these days. There are some very shady people with bad intentions who will leech onto anyone remotely famous, get them vulnerable and addicted, especially if they're struggling financially and are desperate for friends and connections. More and more people are speaking out about what a dark place LA really is. I hope he doesn't become another victim of fame. There's far too many of them. I have the feeling Gaga would've taken him under her wing but they never seemed to get close.

4 hours ago, lastpopicon said:

tbh, i'm suprised he didn't get shot after assaulting the cop, if he wasn't famous i bet the treatment would be even worse lol

And this comes from someone that watched some YouTube videos about American law enforcement 

Hell, recently a old lady was shot because she had a knife at her home (5 cops were present!)

Harsh as it is to say, I honestly doubt they even knew who he was. His last big hit was 4 years ago, he's made no major moves since, his comeback attempts flopped and even though he's had at least 3 hits, he's still kinda considered a one hit wonder by the masses. The cops aren't exactly his target demographic to recognise him immediately. It wouldn't surprise me if they really had no clue. The cop who arrested Justin Timberlake was so young he didn't even know who he was when told.

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

How is someone walking down the road in their underwear acting erratic not a mental health call?  

They haven't even clarified if substances were involved but even if they were that doesn't change the fact that sending some dudes with guns to a mental health situation is grade A stupidity

Especially when the dudes with guns are American police

They could have easily killed him and for what? A mental breakdown? A substance abuse problem? People don't deserve to die just 'cause they have problems and cops are barely trained to do anything but pull triggers, and most of them suck at even doing that

Regardless of drug induced haze or mental health issues, you cannot have a naked man walking down the street. No one knows if there is criminal intentions there. You have to realise that for most women, to see a naked man in public, we see that as a sexual threat. We don't know or care about sexual orientation or intention. It's a visceral reaction that it kicks up in us. And naturally, you can't have someone in that state near children. Indecent exposure is a crime. And if it's brought about by drugs, well, people can do really dangerous things when they're high - driving, beating people up, etc. It happens all the time, particularly if it's stuff like coke or PCP. That's why the police are called, to stop a person not in their right mind before they do something that harms themselves and the public.

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6 hours ago, RenegAde said:

Im not sure substance induced assault, indecent exposure and public disturbance is a potential "mental health call" mind you he allegedly injured 3 of them so they were definitely showing restraint 

This. I get law enforcement has a history of going too far with many things but that doesnt mean we have to excuse all behaviour against cops now and say they were the problem for being there...

 

Still, who knows tho cuz i wasnt there. Giving my opinion based on the limited info we have just like he also did...

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5 hours ago, PartySick said:

How is someone walking down the road in their underwear acting erratic not a mental health call?  

They haven't even clarified if substances were involved but even if they were that doesn't change the fact that sending some dudes with guns to a mental health situation is grade A stupidity

Especially when the dudes with guns are American police

They could have easily killed him and for what? A mental breakdown? A substance abuse problem? People don't deserve to die just 'cause they have problems and cops are barely trained to do anything but pull triggers, and most of them suck at even doing that

I'm not disagreeing with you but I think it's important to understand how 911 works in the U.S.

I called 311 in NYC a couple years ago because a man was having a psychotic episode and was weaving into and out of the streets. My hope in calling 311 vs. 911 is that there was some mobile social worker unit that could handle this. Unfortunately, they routed me straight to 911, and then escalated pretty heavily. 

To my knowledge, there isn't a different process, and if there is I'm pretty sure very few people know about it. 

It's just set up in a way where the cops respond to everything. 

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I'm surprised this turned out to be real. I thought this was one of made up controversy to announce an album 

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8 hours ago, RenegAde said:

I think you might be putting too much responsibility on civilians who might have just noticed a case of indecent exposure/public nuisance and decided to call the emergency before things escalated. Indecent exposure/public nuisance are crimes so the cops will be called. According to reports the cops arrived and called paramedics upon suspicion of a drug overdose

You somehow missed the bit where I explained the entire responsibility should be on the 911 call reciever who triages the call by the passer by citizen. 

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4 hours ago, YASKALE said:

It's just set up in a way where the cops respond to everything. 

And it should be different

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5 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

You have to realise that for most women, to see a naked man in public, we see that as a sexual threat

Ah yes, and women are famously the only people who are victims of sexual crimes and men existing period is always a threat to the safety of those around them  

Cops should be secondary responders to situations like this, that's just the objective reality. You don't send a militarized armed force notorious for escalation and executing folks just 'cause someone's in their underwear and you're scared.

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He's already out!

His dad made a statement that he's in good spirits and he's pleading not guilty to the charges.

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53 minutes ago, Bronco said:

You somehow missed the bit where I explained the entire responsibility should be on the 911 call reciever who triages the call by the passer by citizen. 

 

So who takes responsibility for the bad behavior that comes with drug use  like causing a public disturbance or indecent exposure? Who takes responsibility for being careless enough to leave their artist unchecked in that state? And who takes responsibility for not looking out for a friend when he clearly needed it?

Yes, the system is flawed, but in this case, we the public have the privilege of watching short clips after the fact and filling in context like his background or struggles. First responders on the scene don’t have that luxury neither does the 911 call reciever. they have to react in real time to what looks like a crime in progress. And that’s seems to what happened here except some evidence of mismanagement by the cops surfaces 

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3 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

 

So who takes responsibility for the bad behavior that comes with drug use  like causing a public disturbance or indecent exposure? Who takes responsibility for being careless enough to leave their artist unchecked in that state? And who takes responsibility for not looking out for a friend when he clearly needed it?

Yes, the system is flawed, but in this case, we the public have the privilege of watching short clips after the fact and filling in context like his background or struggles. First responders on the scene don’t have that luxury neither does the 911 call reciever. they have to react in real time to what looks like a crime in progress. And that’s seems to what happened here except some evidence of mismanagement by the cops surfaces 

And again. 

You choose to maintain the near 50 year old policy of the war on drugs that has achieved nothing. 

Treating drug users as addicts who need help & responding to them ethically has been employed in multiple locations at this point in time. And it works. It leads to a reduction in negative outcomes for users & society as a whole. 

No one is saying that crime should go without punishment. I'm stating that alternatives to the existing system in the US are available and have a proven track record of delivering better outcomes for everyone.

Not sure why you're so passive agressive with me for supporting a solution that is proven to reduce drug use, drug related health issues like HIV transmission, drug related crime, overdoses, drug related deaths and social costs of drug use.

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5 hours ago, Economy said:

This. I get law enforcement has a history of going too far with many things but that doesnt mean we have to excuse all behaviour against cops now and say they were the problem for being there...

 

Still, who knows tho cuz i wasnt there. Giving my opinion based on the limited info we have just like he also did...

Every bit of decades long policy research states that cops are the problem. 

You send people seen as abusers and aggressors into a situation where they are dealing with vulnerable people who are the usual victims of the abuse. That always ends in escalation because it triggers fear responses.

Especially when you factor in this is the American police - the most militarised and heavily armed police force in a democratic state. A police force widely known for its abuses, corruption, aggression, bigotry and summary executions. 

The war on drugs has failed. We have countries like Portugal who have used alternative methods for 20+ years at this point to great success. 

Hell, on a similar issue where trained support workers would be better than police, look at the Rotherham child abuse scandal in England. Social workers repeatedly raised concerns through the police as they are required to due to the system prioritising police - and guess what the police did with the victims? They abused them themselves and then sent them back to their traffickers and got the social workers removed from the area. 

The police arent fit for purpose. The police should not be our first port of call in a storm. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Bronco said:

And again. 

You choose to maintain the near 50 year old policy of the war on drugs that has achieved nothing. 

Treating drug users as addicts who need help & responding to them ethically has been employed in multiple locations at this point in time. And it works. It leads to a reduction in negative outcomes for users & society as a whole. 

No one is saying that crime should go without punishment. I'm stating that alternatives to the existing system in the US are available and have a proven track record of delivering better outcomes for everyone.

Not sure why you're so passive agressive with me for supporting a solution that is proven to reduce drug use, drug related health issues like HIV transmission, drug related crime, overdoses, drug related deaths and social costs of drug use.

I’m not being passive-aggressive by recognizing that there’s a lot of irresponsibility here that doesn’t rest solely on the system. I’m also not holding up some outdated policy lol. I’m just pointing out the reality that you can’t really blame anyone but himself and his team for this situation. You can’t fault the cops for responding to what looked like a potential crime, especially when there’s no sign of mismanagement on their part, and you can’t fault the call receivers for making the calls they did based on pre-diagnoses of a scene they weren’t physically present at.

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25 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

I’m not being passive-aggressive by recognizing that there’s a lot of irresponsibility here that doesn’t rest solely on the system. I’m also not holding up some outdated policy lol. I’m just pointing out the reality that you can’t really blame anyone but himself and his team for this situation. You can’t fault the cops for responding to what looked like a potential crime, especially when there’s no sign of mismanagement on their part, and you can’t fault the call receivers for making the calls they did based on pre-diagnoses of a scene they weren’t physically present at.

You can absolutely blame the system. The system is the reason people can be isolated and taken advantage of - because there's no help made available to them and they are treated as a criminal. 

I absolutely can fault the cops and the call recievers. Because we have decades of evidence of how the way they categorize and treat these incidents make outcomes worse. 

Someone with a history of low mental health, going through a rough time is ripe for being taken advantage of by people with ill intentions - as we all very much agree is the likely case here. 

The difference is - you blame them for being taken advantage of and want to criminalise them. I want them to be given help & prevent them becoming a statistic.