Beyoncé criticised for calling indigenous people enemies of peace

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2 minutes ago, lastpopicon said:

wut  you said you know we know it's a obvious oversight, i'm just using your words.

And ofc this is also here, missed in the sea ramblings 

Any more gaga's attacks for today? 

So…pointing and laughing seems to be the limit for you. Clearly you have 0 comprehension skills, so you do you I guess. 

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1 minute ago, chronic said:

So…pointing and laughing seems to be the limit for you. Clearly you have 0 comprehension skills, so you do you I guess. 

That's rich coming from someone who brings up gaga umpromted to drag her on a topic that's has nothing to do with gaga  call coming from inside bb.

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13 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

It's a shirt acknowledging yet another part of the building of America Black people were instrumentally a part of but the country doesn't like to acknowledge. Same thing she's been doing from the start of this project. 

Are we also pissed at Bob Marley now for his song about the same group?

I'm not here for defending or propping up the American military past or present no matter who is doing it, but I'm also not gonna rip any hair out over this. 

But this is ggd so ofc y'all are gonna take any opportunity to act like she's the devil. 

Calling indigenous people "antagonists" for wanting to remain on their land and not be subject to genocide is actually the issue. History is nuanced, yes, but we know enough in 2025 to know that the "thin line" the buffalo soldiers provided white expansionists was to cause harm to indigenous americans and "mexican revolutionaries" defending their land. 

It's actually quite insane to romanticize manifest destiny and genocide. You do you though, I guess. 

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5 minutes ago, HookerDotGov said:

 

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Just now, chronic said:

I know that….never argued that. Quite literally said multiple times that the shirt is not okay. 

Then why defend her for selling it? Sure, people love to find something to drag a celebrity over but this was quite a valid critique she's earned. Sorry, I just found it odd you were calling out people for criticizing her - it read as a defense of her selling a shirt with that language and framing of history. I mean, it's not GGD "ripping her hair out" it's a lot of people on twitter with valid POVs and criticisms...just felt odd to see it minimized (and yes, what you wrote read as minimizing it...). 

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5 minutes ago, HookerDotGov said:

It's actually quite insane to romanticize manifest destiny and genocide. You do you though, I guess. 

Nowhere did I romanticize manifest destiny or genocide but I'm learning some of y'all on here are quick to come up with a "gotcha" but slow on actual reading comprehension and critical thinking. So yeah, I'm gonna keep doing me and you do you 💜

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5 minutes ago, HookerDotGov said:

Then why defend her for selling it? Sure, people love to find something to drag a celebrity over but this was quite a valid critique she's earned. Sorry, I just found it odd you were calling out people for criticizing her - it read as a defense of her selling a shirt with that language and framing of history. I mean, it's not GGD "ripping her hair out" it's a lot of people on twitter with valid POVs and criticisms...just felt odd to see it minimized (and yes, what you wrote read as minimizing it...). 

Where is she selling it? She’s wearing it. I agree with EVERYTHING you’re saying, I just think it’s silly, and transparent to call for her cancellation when it appears to be a humiliating oversight (at least I hope). I don’t believe she has a prejudice against native Americans, but the shirt is hella insensitive regardless. Period. 
my main gripe was the other user acting as if they wouldn't have a single justification if it were Gaga making this same insensitive IG post. 

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5 hours ago, tlittlemonster said:

I'm an Asian living in Europe and I have no problem about this term being used in a song about inclusivity, so why should you? 

It's tiring seeing all these "racially sensitive people" speaking for minorities like mine.

Anyone with a brain knows Gaga was empowering us rather than being insensitive with us.

Just because some American people 2 centuries ago used the term in a racist way doesn't mean we can no longer say I'm from an oriental country.

Quite the opposite, I take pride in that - if anyone says I'm from the Orient, I think about all the oriental beauty, cuisine and our kind people.

I'm also an asian living in Europe and I personally don't like being called Oriental and do find it offensive. Please don't weaponise our shared identity to try to invalidate and shame others comments when the reality is that there are people like myself who have their reasons for finding the term offensive and that those experiences are just as valid as your own.  Thanks. 

5 hours ago, River said:

I wish people would spend the same energy and time over a shirt, on important stuff, like actual native american activism, if you care so much about them.

the shirt is not the problem, a beyonce backlash will not solve the native's problems.

What have you done to help the Apache Stronghold to protect Oak Flat? 

online activism is so tiring, especially when it's involved celebrities 

Agreed. 100%.

Also to @lastpopicon, I sincerely doubt she will issue a statement or an apology, when Kelis had issues with her sampling her music she just quietly deleted the sample, and when people took offense of some of the language in "Heated" she rerecorded that within 24 hours and changed it without issuing a statement. If she reacts this way for her own music, the likelihood she will for a tee-shirt she wore for 15 minutes on a stage is like 0. She will likely retire the shirt from her wardrobe and remove the pictures of it from her website and that will be the end of it. Beyoncé knows it's usually best to not address it and let it die out on its own and that actions speak louder than words too.

@PartySick I won't rehash the controversy but just know your comment slayed and killed me and had me gagging, you know the one. It was perfectly worded. 

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5 hours ago, River said:

I wish people would spend the same energy and time over a shirt, on important stuff, like actual native american activism, if you care so much about them.

the shirt is not the problem, a beyonce backlash will not solve the native's problems.

What have you done to help the Apache Stronghold to protect Oak Flat? 

online activism is so tiring, especially when it's involved celebrities 

Couldn’t agree more. Reminds me a little bit of a certain thread not too long ago about supposed “microaggressions,” but I won’t re-litigate too too much lmao. Some folks want to do the most while doing the least all at once and it’s exhausting. 

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13 hours ago, hamartia said:

We literally stan someone who still sings chola and orient-made in her song  

Sometimes efforts to be racially inclusive can accidentally be racially insensitive. We should know this lol 

“Oooh there ain’t no other way”

 

this thread got too long because of two individuals who majorly need to log off and touch grass. 
 

Jesus, not self righteous here, it’s a very clear oversight, maybe she does or doesn’t know. We won’t know unless there’s a public statement some day. Regardless, I think we’ve all been in a spot where we say something where we mean no harm yet it causes direct harm to someone. Sometimes you need to put your foot in your mouth, and sometimes choke. It’s fine. It’s Beyonce not effing Trump. A pop star.

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7 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

I'm also an asian living in Europe and I personally don't like being called Oriental and do find it offensive. Please don't weaponise our shared identity to try to invalidate and shame others comments when the reality is that there are people like myself who have their reasons for finding the term offensive and that those experiences are just as valid as your own.  Thanks. 

Agreed. 100%.

Also to @lastpopicon, I sincerely doubt she will issue a statement or an apology, when Kelis had issues with her sampling her music she just quietly deleted the sample, and when people took offense of some of the language in "Heated" she rerecorded that within 24 hours and changed it without issuing a statement. If she reacts this way for her own music, the likelihood she will for a tee-shirt she wore for 15 minutes on a stage is like 0. She will likely retire the shirt from her wardrobe and remove the pictures of it from her website and that will be the end of it. Beyoncé knows it's usually best to not address it and let it die out on its own and that actions speak louder than words too.

@PartySick I won't rehash the controversy but just know your comment slayed and killed me and had me gagging, you know the one. It was perfectly worded. 

I don't have time to read your massive message but I'll just say this 

Here in the UK most of us will name our Chinese take aways "Orient" or "Oriental", if we thought it was offensive, do you really think we'd call our restaurants that word?

Food for thought.

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13 minutes ago, tlittlemonster said:

I don't have time to read your massive message but I'll just say this 

Here in the UK most of us will name our Chinese take aways "Orient" or "Oriental", if we thought it was offensive, do you really think we'd call our restaurants that word?

Food for thought.

Brit here, born and raised. 

I was brought in a predominantely white area and have always been brought up knowing the word has negative connotations for some Asian communities. And everyone I know can say the same. 

Like quit generalising. 
And don't respond to an Asian person by telling them you aren't going to read what they have written and then proceed to tell them that you know better than they do about how asian people experience the terms. 

 

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2 hours ago, tlittlemonster said:

I don't have time to read your massive message but I'll just say this 

Here in the UK most of us will name our Chinese take aways "Orient" or "Oriental", if we thought it was offensive, do you really think we'd call our restaurants that word?

Food for thought.

Girl, are you for real? I had 4 lines dedicated to you and the rest were not even relevant to your post. I've had entire ""debates"" with members that were 5 paragraphs long per message and we still took the time to read each other. I don't have time to deal with your disrespect but I'll just say this: the current president is a confirmed sex offender, racist and transphobe. Do you really think people care about being offensive or not if that's who they elect?

Also, for YEARS, black people were referred to with the N-word in the US, and no one cared. Just because something was historically called something doesn't make it right. 

Also are you SERIOUSLY comparing people to food? Most people would call a burger "tasty" but if a stranger called me tasty, I would be like "wtf"?  For for thought: be nicer. 

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On 6/23/2025 at 6:24 AM, MaybeKermit said:

I doubt she read the text lol, if anything it seems more like a stylist’s fault

yeah. however since no one can prove whether or not she read & supports the text, folks can only judge her for wearing it, which I think is valid criticism

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On 6/23/2025 at 9:00 PM, chronic said:

Where is she selling it? She’s wearing it. I agree with EVERYTHING you’re saying, I just think it’s silly, and transparent to call for her cancellation when it appears to be a humiliating oversight (at least I hope). I don’t believe she has a prejudice against native Americans, but the shirt is hella insensitive regardless. Period. 
my main gripe was the other user acting as if they wouldn't have a single justification if it were Gaga making this same insensitive IG post. 

I mispoke, she was wearing it not selling it...but selling it wasn't my point. I more meant to say promoting it. English is not my first language. Latching onto some irrelevant miswording over the actual issue...whatever. 

And No, I was not calling for her "cancellation". A lot of critics I have seen are not asking for her to be cancelled. Not everything is black and white! I think this is a valuable learning experience for her if people would stop coddling and enabling her. The shirt was outdated, ignorant, and she can listen, learn, and grow just as much as anyone else. Let's have some expectations...