Poll: Is Sabrina C.'s new album cover satire or not?

[RenegAde 18,967]

8 minutes ago, River said:

I just find gays who are degrading men over and over, I mean, ya'll have haus of taste threads and participating in an online orgy and ejaculation over shirtless men, but you don't seem to see the problem in that and how you are degrading these men.

So it might be a satire or a marketing, but it's her choice and she is in this cover, participating in this act by 100% consent, so if she's not feeling degraded, then nobody should tell her that.. that's feminism, that is empowerment.

Its not the same thing and you know it. I get your point  and i generally agree but people arent complaining about her sexually degrading herself per se its more of the message that visually depicting women in that position can reinforce which i also understand. 

[Bronco 10,095]

3 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Which is interesting because most people who are criticizing her are Progressive Gen Z and Feminists! Im so confused how they out of all people are being sex negative and using misogynistic religious talking points. 

The rise of puritan views on sexuality among gen Z and especially gen alpha isn't exactly a new trend. 

They've been subjected to years of millenial, gen x and boomer politicians doing the "you can be you but hide it and we'll let you be" crap. They've fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

[faysalaaa 4,221]

5 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Its not the same thing and you know it. I get your point  and i generally agree but people arent complaining about her sexually degrading herself per se its more of the message that visually depicting women in that position can reinforce which i also understand. 

In my opinion, we should not tell women they are not allowed to express their sexuality because sexism exists. We should target sexism in society instead of policing womens sexuality.

[nATAH 47,709]

all of this "discourse" meanwhile chris brown is still filling arenas

[high culture 2,146]

What I really dislike about the "feminist" take on this is that they are completely leaving out of the conversation agency, consent, and kink.. They are basically arguing that Sabrina as a grown 26 year old woman cannot consent to having her hair pulled or is not allowed to be interested in exploring power dynamics. While the feminism I grew up with I believe would argue that having the power to explore this is the result of years of feminist activism. 

[Lucas 26,224]

Or she's just a sexual horny girl? Wasn't she doing all kinds of sexual positions on stage every night at her tour?

[Bronco 10,095]

5 minutes ago, high culture said:

What I really dislike about the "feminist" take on this is that they are completely leaving out of the conversation agency, consent, and kink.. They are basically arguing that Sabrina as a grown 26 year old woman cannot consent to having her hair pulled or is not allowed to be interested in exploring power dynamics. While the feminism I grew up with I believe would argue that having the power to explore this is the result of years of feminist activism. 

Its not every feminist. Feminism has multiple schools of political thought these days that all disagree with one another.

And this topic is heavily linked to how feminists disagree on sex work as well. With the loudest and often most powerful ones forcing through policies that don't help anyone but make middle class white folks feel better.

[RenegAde 18,967]

Just now, faysalaaa said:

In my opinion, we should not tell women they are not allowed to express their sexuality because sexism exists. We should target sexism in society instead of policing womens sexuality.

This album cover was publicized for commercial purposes first and foremost . I dont think its about her own sexual expression, its about being careful of the visuals that are being commercialised for money and how it can be potentially interpreted by unfriendly groups or young minds especially without the context of the accompanying music.

[andy232000 11,235]

1 hour ago, lilboyblue said:

There should be a "Satire... but not a very good one" option

I was gonna say this lol.

If you know Sabrina you know this is satire. Just not a very good execution. 

[Jakesnyders673 27]

Why can't a woman just sell sex appeal to straight men without it having to be some kind of ironic critique of sexual objectification and the male gaze? This is all so pretentious.

[faysalaaa 4,221]

2 minutes ago, high culture said:

What I really dislike about the "feminist" take on this is that they are completely leaving out of the conversation agency, consent, and kink.. They are basically arguing that Sabrina as a grown 26 year old woman cannot consent to having her hair pulled or is not allowed to be interested in exploring power dynamics. While the feminism I grew up with I believe would argue that having the power to explore this is the result of years of feminist activism. 

They believe Sabrina can consent, but they have so much fear about society (The rise of Andrew Tate and the Manosphere), so they end up making sexist and religious arguments.

They want women to be sexually liberated, but their fear also wants women to act perfectly in public in order to push for more womens freedom.

So without knowing, they end up being sexist from the other side of the coin without knowing

[bowlsofbrett 517]

I see it as her making fun of herself and marketing to get others to engage with her work. 

I think the uncomfortable feelings are valid but at what point does that turn into policing art? Is this image going to be responsible for further abuse of women? Are other forms of art responsible for violence? I’m not a woman but I have been put into dangerous situations by other men so much so that I simply avoid art that may trigger that for me. 

I wasn’t personally triggered by the image, but understand why it may trigger someone else while also understanding that Sabrina has the right to do this cover of her consenting to a submissive role where she’s crudely mocking herself.
 

 

[faysalaaa 4,221]

4 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

This album cover was publicized for commercial purposes first and foremost . I dont think its about her own sexual expression, its about being careful of the visuals that are being commercialised for money and how it can be potentially interpreted by unfriendly groups or young minds especially without the context of the accompanying music.

Okay so what if a true artist that doesnt care about commercial purposes, and truly wants to expressive this side of her sexuality, would you still have a problem with it?

[andy232000 11,235]

1 minute ago, RenegAde said:

This album cover was publicized for commercial purposes first and foremost . I dont think its about her own sexual expression, its about being careful of the visuals that are being commercialised for money and how it can be potentially interpreted by unfriendly groups or young minds especially without the context of the accompanying music.

It baffles me that people don’t understand this.

Satire or not, in its most primitive nature, she and her team decided to use woman degradation as a marketing strategy. I’m 10000% sure that they knew this would be controversial and instead of being careful about it, they saw the bad press as more press, which in the end is more money for them.

As someone who works on marketing this is just an absolute NO NO. I would’ve rather come up with a different cover that could be satire without leaning into a woman posing as a dog. Idk, have Sabrina herself holding her hair. Have the roles inverted so it’s the Man as a dog for a change, keep Sabrina in this pose but change the facial expression to anger so it’s clear she’s against it, or add a knife or a gun so it’s clear that she’ll defend herself.
 

Countless options, and they went with the cover that has no visual cue to exemplify the satire

[RenegAde 18,967]

1 minute ago, faysalaaa said:

Okay so what if a true artist that doesnt care about commercial purposes, and truly wants to expressive this side of her sexuality, would you still have a problem with it?

Nope, especially if its not being commercialised 

Also i dont have a problem with this per se . Its just execution, like the dog thing makes me uncomfortable for some reason and i also want to hear the direction the music takes also.