Beyoncé called out for not speaking out about Diddy

[Monstermilo 4,365]

55 minutes ago, River said:

I don't think it should be aimed against Beyonce exclusively, but to a lot more artists and celebrities, I mean, Gaga was with Bey, Jay, Diddy at the Grammy's together many times and she stayed silent as well, which is very disappointing.

This silent about Diddy, Kanye, some still about Kelly is the same silent about Weinstein in Hollywood.

 

girl just cuz gaga took a pic that had diddy in it, does not mean she has to say anything. 

sure it would be nice, but its not required, she never had any sort of relationship with diddy. 

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8 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

girl just cuz gaga took a pic that had diddy in it, does not mean she has to say anything. 

sure it would be nice, but its not required, she never had any sort of relationship with diddy. 

she doesn't have to have any relationship with him, a situation this BIG about sexual abuse in the music industry that has been going for over 20 years and minors are part of it, everyone in the music industry should speak up.

Sometimes u have to be less defensive for your faves and point out that they did wrong.

[Monstermilo 4,365]

1 minute ago, River said:

she doesn't have to have any relationship with him, a situation this BIG about sexual abuse in the music industry that has been going for over 20 years and minors are part of it, everyone in the music industry should speak up.

Sometimes u have to be less defensive for your faves and point out that they did wrong.

the only people who should be saying anything are people affected by diddy. 

this is an ongoing legal case - anyone that speaks out about the issues can TECHNICALLY get subpoenaed. thats why celebs are staying quiet. 

gaga has done enough and spoken enough about SA/r@pe before so she doesnt need to keep commenting on this issue, especially since shes a victim herself, she shouldnt have to make it something she keeps having to bring up since shes already healed herself from what happened to her personally. 

[River 114,550]

Just now, Monstermilo said:

the only people who should be saying anything are people affected by diddy. 

this is an ongoing legal case - anyone that speaks out about the issues can TECHNICALLY get subpoenaed. thats why celebs are staying quiet. 

gaga has done enough and spoken enough about SA/r@pe before so she doesnt need to keep commenting on this issue, especially since shes a victim herself, she shouldnt have to make it something she keeps having to bring up since shes already healed herself from what happened to her personally. 

 I disagree, but I also get your point, I don't think there is a right answer here, the situation is very complicated.

I'm coming from a survivor pov and I always wish celebs were more loud about SA in the music and movies industries because every day, new young artist is getting sexually abuse and this cycle will never end unless people in power like Bey, Gaga and other big names will speak up.

 

[Monstermilo 4,365]

10 minutes ago, River said:

 I disagree, but I also get your point, I don't think there is a right answer here, the situation is very complicated.

I'm coming from a survivor pov and I always wish celebs were more loud about SA in the music and movies industries because every day, new young artist is getting sexually abuse and this cycle will never end unless people in power like Bey, Gaga and other big names will speak up.

 

i totally agree with u in a perfect world they would say something, but i understand why people are being hush right now. 

maybe once the trial is complete, more big celebs will speak out. 

also with that news about diddy firebombing kid cudis porsche for dating cassie, people are probably scared diddys cronies will do something if they voice their opinions. these celebs probably dont want diddys men to set their houses/cars on fire. 

Edited Monday at 08:09 AM by Monstermilo

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7 hours ago, OliviaRodrigoStan said:

IDK, I think she knows it'll be worse if she does talk, so she prefers to stay out of it. It still bothers me when women have to face the heat, for men's actions. If Diddy was a degenerate go and drag him, why does Beyoncé have to respond for him? . 

I also don't buy the argument "if she knew she's complicit and responsible", you need evidence, testimonies, and a lot of stuff to come up publicly with such an accusation. I assume she knew his "parties" involved some form of illegal activities (drugs, etc) but I doubt she knew the extent of how illegal or criminal they were. 

And I'm not even a Beyoncé stan, I don't even want her in the "Telephone" sequel, but blame Diddy for what Diddy did, unless I see a victim Beyoncé of an actual crime, IDC about it . 

I don't know if she herself knew even though I think that would be surprising, but it seemed like Diddy's stuff was known amongst people for a long time similar to how the Weinstein situation was too and had even become an openly running joke. I remember years ago hearing about Diddy doing things with guys and basically pimping out Cassie so I was actually surprised it was only recently that it blew up like this

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2 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

Back in the fall people on here were dragging Beyonce for possibly being connected and now are defending her by saying she likely didn't know him well like her husband? Why did opinions change? I'm not defending nor criticizing Beyonce but this switch up feels odd.

Because most people who were talking like that joined the rest of us with a few working brain cells still left and realized how ridiculous it was to be suggesting that Beyonce had any sort of culpability in the Diddy situation. 

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9 hours ago, culturalbaptism said:

What I find very hypocritical of Beyoncé is the selectiveness. If she cares so much about what is right, why aren't she speaking up about the Diddy case? Maybe because her husband is in the wrong?

but what is she supposed to say? he's in jail awaiting trial

it's probably better she stays silent until the trial incase she gets pulled in as a witness so her words aren't later used against her (and that's playing the devil's advocate of those saying she is involved)

if she has no involvement at all, again, why would anybody want a statement from beyonce?

Edited Monday at 09:44 AM by nATAH

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So so so much anti blackness in here. But disappointed, not surprised kinda thing 

[Chromanne 1,228]

Diddy is in jail for his crimes. Regardless of whether Beyonce speaks or doesn't speak, it doesn't add anything to the table, if she genuinely wasn't aware of these things in the beginning.

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9 hours ago, culturalbaptism said:

What I find very hypocritical of Beyoncé is the selectiveness. If she cares so much about what is right, why aren't she speaking up about the Diddy case? Maybe because her husband is in the wrong?

If Megyn Kelly is so on point about this and cares do deeply about women's rights and safety from predators like Diddy. 

Why does Megyn Kelly support a pedophile & a rapist as President? Why does she work with Tucker Carlson? 
Why does she advocate for traditional values which make women easier targets for abusers? 

If Megyn Kelly cares so much about the Diddy case, why does she want a major celebrity to comment on it publicly knowing it could risk prejudicing the case and collapsing the trial? 

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4 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

Back in the fall people on here were dragging Beyonce for possibly being connected and now are defending her by saying she likely didn't know him well like her husband? Why did opinions change? I'm not defending nor criticizing Beyonce but this switch up feels odd.

You're assuming it was the same people in both threads, which is already a wrong assumption to make. Back in the fall I was definitely not commenting on whatever thread people were dragging Beyoncé in. You can tell by the fact said people haven't been dragged to hell and back and had their wigs snatched by Mama Tina. 

4 hours ago, River said:

I don't think it should be aimed against Beyonce exclusively, but to a lot more artists and celebrities, I mean, Gaga was with Bey, Jay, Diddy at the Grammy's together many times and she stayed silent as well, which is very disappointing.

This silent about Diddy, Kanye, some still about Kelly is the same silent about Weinstein in Hollywood.

 

This reminds me of the situation with Belgian singer Angele however who is a feminist and then it turned out her brother did some really awful predatorial things and people on social media harassed her and demanded she somehow take responsibility for her brother's behaviour when a) she wasn't even aware of it and b) it had nothing to do with her. People always expect so much of celebrities who, however, are still just people with feelings, sometimes conflicting ones. Like in the case of Angele, if I found out my brother was doing some really bad stuff I would be understandably very upset about it. But that kind of deep, intense and profound pain is perhaps not something you randomly want to broadcast on instagram to strangers you don't even know?? It's deeply personal stuff. People act entitled to know every single thought, desire and idea that pops into celebrities' minds and that's honestly really toxic. Everyone in the industry is also probably still processing the whole thing and how complicit they were or weren't by not seeing things or acting on it, so expecting everyone to just have the perfect response right away when they're all flawed humans trying to figure it out, same as everyone else, is overkill imo.

3 hours ago, howsAnnie said:

Because silence is a missed opportunity to be loudly wrong about things that don’t concern you. People love to confidently parade their half-baked opinions like it's a talent show, so of course they expect everyone else to do it too - god forbid you don't have a strong stance on every single issue.

exactly. you get it. 

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3 hours ago, River said:

she doesn't have to have any relationship with him, a situation this BIG about sexual abuse in the music industry that has been going for over 20 years and minors are part of it, everyone in the music industry should speak up.

Sometimes u have to be less defensive for your faves and point out that they did wrong.

as an artist you also tend to not want to say anything that could get you blackballed from the industry. Their entire careers are at stake and everything they say needs to be vetted by lawyers, PR people, etc. Remember in 2019 (?) it was controversial for Taylor Swift to even support a presidential candidate or say she was a feminist. 

Edited Monday at 10:53 AM by salty like sodium

[Pablo 7,713]

I have no clue what Megan is even saying, she's impossible to listen to

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2 hours ago, River said:

 I disagree, but I also get your point, I don't think there is a right answer here, the situation is very complicated.

I'm coming from a survivor pov and I always wish celebs were more loud about SA in the music and movies industries because every day, new young artist is getting sexually abuse and this cycle will never end unless people in power like Bey, Gaga and other big names will speak up.

 

It's unfair to expect everyone to just be able to have the strength and resilience to talk about something like this publicly. As @Monstermilo said Gaga has already done enough, said enough, and been through enough. Why should she have to take responsibility for every single survivor and victim? She's just one woman. It would be completely draining and exhausting if all she ever was expected to do was speak up against SA 24/7 and be forced to relive her trauma constantly just because that's what people expect her to do.