Lizzo teases new song

[Economy 49,125]

Im sure it has a great message but if Millenial artists performance the last 2-3 years is any indication... this gonna flop

[salty like sodium 1,316]

2 hours ago, Bradley said:

Fair enough. I mean maybe I'm not just her target audience. I personally think artists like Gaga and Beyonce exude truer confidence. They don't talk about it but we know it's there.

Like I said, as a consumer, I just prefer it when it's more subdued and muted and less in-your-face.

Except that Beyoncé talks about it literally ALL the time? She even made a whole album with Jay Z where all they do is talk about how confident they are on almost every single track?

It's definitely something that minority communities feel a need to express and hear because of how oppressive systematic injustices can be. So I feel like there's a lot of education that's required to fully understand the historical roots of systemic oppression, specifically in the music industry (and how pervasive it can be) to then understand why black musicians (especially women) tend to need to affirm themselves (and their fans) with empowering messages.

Bragging is also a key staple of rap music, which is a historically predominant black genre and something that a lot of black artists grew up being able to connect with and listen to. Beyoncé and Lizzo probably listen to rap way more frequently than Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift.

Some key examples from Beyoncé's discography, across literally every single album since her 3rd one. (The first two also had similar empowerment themes, but less boastful lyrics, as they were usually more focused on love. But still):

FIRST FOUR ALBUMS

Spoiler

DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE

Nothing really in this album, it was quite tame since she was trying to make commercial music that would have massive appeal. But even there the songs are often about how she's too good for the guy, doesn't need a guy, or if she was his girlfriend his life would be better. And yet, we still got:

– "Baby let me know if you wanna roll with a Hip Hop Star. I'm a Rock Star." (Hip Hop Star)

B'DAY

Songs like Irreplaceable, Freakum Dress and Ring the Alarm are a thematic precursor to where her career would go from there.

I AM... SASHA FIERCE

– "I'm a diva... diva is a female version of a hustla" (Diva)

– "I got a big Ego... He loves my big Ego." (Ego)

4

- "Boy don't even try to touch this [...] This is how they made me, Houston Texas Baby." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "I think I need a barber: none of these n***** can fade me. I'm so good with this, I remind I'm so hood with this." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "Hope you still like me. F U - Pay me." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

BEYONCÉ

Spoiler

– "And why you think you keep my name rollin' off your tongue? Cause when you want a smash, I just write another one. I sneezed on the beat and the beat got sicker" (Yoncé)

- "I know when you were little girls you dreamt of being in my world [...] this my ****, bow down bitches." (Bow Down)

- "I woke up like this [...] Say I look so good tonight" (Flawless)

LEMONADE

Spoiler

- "Earned all this money but they'll never take the country out me" (Formation)

- "I just may be a black Bill Gates in the making" (Formation)

- "I dream it, I work hard, I grind till I own it. I twirl on them haters [...] Cause I slay, all day" (Formation)

THE CARTERS

Pretty much the whole album,  but

Spoiler

- "We livin' lavish, I get expensive fabrics, I got expensive habits" (Apeshit)

- "My great-great grandchildren already rich. That's a lotta brown children on your Forbes list." (Boss)

- "My success can't be quantified, if I gave 2 ****s about streamin' numbers would've put Lemonade up on Spotify" (Nice)

- "I ain't never seen a ceiling in my whole life" (Nice)

- "I'm so nice, I'm everybody type, god damn right, I'm so nice, Jesus Christ, I'm better than the hype, I give you life" (Nice)

- "I'm representin' for the hustlers all across the world" (713)

- "My friends are goals, your friends are foes" (Friends)

- "No need to ask, you heard about us" (Heard About Us)

THE LION KING: THE GIFT

Spoiler

- "I'm so unbothered [...] y'all be so pressed while I'm raisin' daughters" (Mood 4 Eva)

- "Why would you try me? Why would you bother? I am Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter. [...] I be like soul food, I am a whole mood." (Mood 4 Eva)

- "My power they'll never take" (My Power)

- "Here I come on my throne sitting high, follow my parade" (Black Parade)

- "Rubber bullets bouncin' off me, made a picket sign off your picket fence, take it as a warning" (Black Parade)

RENAISSANCE

Spoiler

- "You know all these songs sound good... 'Cause I'm on that ho." (I'm That Girl)

- "It's not the diamonds, it's not the pearls: I'm that girl." (I'm That Girl)

- "Category: Bad Bitch - I'm the bar, alien superstar. I'm too classy for this world. [...] I'm U-N-I-Q-U-E" (Alien Superstar)

- "Only a real one could tame me, only the radio could play me" (Heated)

COWBOY CARTER

Spoiler

- "They couldn't have me, and they never will." (Bodyguard)

- "I'm still a Creole Banjee bitch from Louisianne." (Jolene)

- "At the snap of my fingers, I'm Thanos. And I'm still on your fingers, cornrows. They call me the captain, the cat walk assassin, when they know it's slappin', then here come the yappin'." (Spaghettii)

- "I ain't no regular singer, now come get everythin' you came for" (Spaghettii)

- "Those petty ones can't **** with me! Why? 'Cause I'm a clever girl!" (Ya Ya)

- "AOTY I ain't win, I ain't stuntin' 'bout them, take that **** on the chin, come back and **** up the pen" (Buckiin')

- "Say the things that I know will offend, wear that **** that I know start a trend" (Buckiin')

BONUS ROUNDS: collabs

Spoiler

– "I stop the world, men and female it make no difference I stop the world! World stop... Carry on!" (Feelin' Myself – Nicki Minaj)

– "I been givin' birth on these haters 'cause I'm fertile" (Mi Gente - J Balvin)

– "Petty, petty, petty, I've been winnin' steady. Yoncé, Yoncé all up on your grill lil' boy [...] came out '97, winnin' twenty years, boy." (Shining - DJ Khaled)

– "I break the internet, top two and I ain't number two" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "My body, my ice, my cash, all real I'm a triple threat" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "If they tryna party with the queen they gon' have to sign a non-disclosure" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "I'm a boss, I'm a leader, I pull up in my two-seater, and my momma was a savage, n****, got this **** from Tina" (Savage - Megan Thee Stallion)

 

Edited May 18 by salty like sodium

[Bradley 58,723]

19 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

Except that Beyoncé talks about it literally ALL the time? She even made a whole album with Jay Z where all they do is talk about how confident they are on almost every single track?

It's definitely something that minority communities feel a need to express and hear because of how oppressive systematic injustices can be. So I feel like there's a lot of education that's required to fully understand the historical roots of systemic oppression, specifically in the music industry (and how pervasive it can be) to then understand why black musicians (especially women) tend to need to affirm themselves (and their fans) with empowering messages.

Bragging is also a key staple of rap music, which is a historically predominant black genre and something that a lot of black artists grew up being able to connect with and listen to. Beyoncé and Lizzo probably listen to rap way more frequently than Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift.

Some key examples from Beyoncé's discography, across literally every single album since her 3rd one. (The first two also had similar empowerment themes, but less boastful lyrics, as they were usually more focused on love. But still):

FIRST FOUR ALBUMS

  Reveal hidden contents

DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE

Nothing really in this album, it was quite tame since she was trying to make commercial music that would have massive appeal. But even there the songs are often about how she's too good for the guy, doesn't need a guy, or if she was his girlfriend his life would be better. And yet, we still got:

– "Baby let me know if you wanna roll with a Hip Hop Star. I'm a Rock Star." (Hip Hop Star)

B'DAY

Songs like Irreplaceable, Freakum Dress and Ring the Alarm are a thematic precursor to where her career would go from there.

I AM... SASHA FIERCE

– "I'm a diva... diva is a female version of a hustla" (Diva)

– "I got a big Ego... He loves my big Ego." (Ego)

4

- "Boy don't even try to touch this [...] This is how they made me, Houston Texas Baby." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "I think I need a barber: none of these n***** can fade me. I'm so good with this, I remind I'm so hood with this." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "Hope you still like me. F U - Pay me." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

BEYONCÉ

  Reveal hidden contents

– "And why you think you keep my name rollin' off your tongue? Cause when you want a smash, I just write another one. I sneezed on the beat and the beat got sicker" (Yoncé)

- "I know when you were little girls you dreamt of being in my world [...] this my ****, bow down bitches." (Bow Down)

- "I woke up like this [...] Say I look so good tonight" (Flawless)

LEMONADE

  Reveal hidden contents

- "Earned all this money but they'll never take the country out me" (Formation)

- "I just may be a black Bill Gates in the making" (Formation)

- "I dream it, I work hard, I grind till I own it. I twirl on them haters [...] Cause I slay, all day" (Formation)

THE CARTERS

Pretty much the whole album,  but

  Reveal hidden contents

- "We livin' lavish, I get expensive fabrics, I got expensive habits" (Apeshit)

- "My great-great grandchildren already rich. That's a lotta brown children on your Forbes list." (Boss)

- "My success can't be quantified, if I gave 2 ****s about streamin' numbers would've put Lemonade up on Spotify" (Nice)

- "I ain't never seen a ceiling in my whole life" (Nice)

- "I'm so nice, I'm everybody type, god damn right, I'm so nice, Jesus Christ, I'm better than the hype, I give you life" (Nice)

- "I'm representin' for the hustlers all across the world" (713)

- "My friends are goals, your friends are foes" (Friends)

- "No need to ask, you heard about us" (Heard About Us)

THE LION KING: THE GIFT

  Reveal hidden contents

- "I'm so unbothered [...] y'all be so pressed while I'm raisin' daughters" (Mood 4 Eva)

- "Why would you try me? Why would you bother? I am Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter. [...] I be like soul food, I am a whole mood." (Mood 4 Eva)

- "My power they'll never take" (My Power)

- "Here I come on my throne sitting high, follow my parade" (Black Parade)

- "Rubber bullets bouncin' off me, made a picket sign off your picket fence, take it as a warning" (Black Parade)

RENAISSANCE

  Reveal hidden contents

- "You know all these songs sound good... 'Cause I'm on that ho." (I'm That Girl)

- "It's not the diamonds, it's not the pearls: I'm that girl." (I'm That Girl)

- "Category: Bad Bitch - I'm the bar, alien superstar. I'm too classy for this world. [...] I'm U-N-I-Q-U-E" (Alien Superstar)

- "Only a real one could tame me, only the radio could play me" (Heated)

COWBOY CARTER

  Reveal hidden contents

- "They couldn't have me, and they never will." (Bodyguard)

- "I'm still a Creole Banjee bitch from Louisianne." (Jolene)

- "At the snap of my fingers, I'm Thanos. And I'm still on your fingers, cornrows. They call me the captain, the cat walk assassin, when they know it's slappin', then here come the yappin'." (Spaghettii)

- "I ain't no regular singer, now come get everythin' you came for" (Spaghettii)

- "Those petty ones can't **** with me! Why? 'Cause I'm a clever girl!" (Ya Ya)

- "AOTY I ain't win, I ain't stuntin' 'bout them, take that **** on the chin, come back and **** up the pen" (Buckiin')

- "Say the things that I know will offend, wear that **** that I know start a trend" (Buckiin')

BONUS ROUNDS: collabs

  Reveal hidden contents

– "I stop the world, men and female it make no difference I stop the world! World stop... Carry on!" (Feelin' Myself – Nicki Minaj)

– "I been givin' birth on these haters 'cause I'm fertile" (Mi Gente - J Balvin)

– "Petty, petty, petty, I've been winnin' steady. Yoncé, Yoncé all up on your grill lil' boy [...] came out '97, winnin' twenty years, boy." (Shining - DJ Khaled)

– "I break the internet, top two and I ain't number two" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "My body, my ice, my cash, all real I'm a triple threat" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "If they tryna party with the queen they gon' have to sign a non-disclosure" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "I'm a boss, I'm a leader, I pull up in my two-seater, and my momma was a savage, n****, got this **** from Tina" (Savage - Megan Thee Stallion)

 

There's really no need to write an eight-section comment to convince me sis

But tbf it's a matter of execution, not theme. I've already said in my previous comment that there's nothing wrong with exploring the same themes if the execution is different, whether it's from the same artist or between different artists.

There's a famous writing adage called show, don't tell. If you want to write about confidence, explore the nuances and emotional complexities around confidence. Don't just say it. It will sound performative, inflated and abstract. There have been many artists who don't know this and have produced sentimental lyricism without knowing it. Lizzo and Katy are two examples I've named.

[dynamite 55,921]

26 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

Except that Beyoncé talks about it literally ALL the time? She even made a whole album with Jay Z where all they do is talk about how confident they are on almost every single track?

It's definitely something that minority communities feel a need to express and hear because of how oppressive systematic injustices can be. So I feel like there's a lot of education that's required to fully understand the historical roots of systemic oppression, specifically in the music industry (and how pervasive it can be) to then understand why black musicians (especially women) tend to need to affirm themselves (and their fans) with empowering messages.

Bragging is also a key staple of rap music, which is a historically predominant black genre and something that a lot of black artists grew up being able to connect with and listen to. Beyoncé and Lizzo probably listen to rap way more frequently than Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift.

Some key examples from Beyoncé's discography, across literally every single album since her 3rd one. (The first two also had similar empowerment themes, but less boastful lyrics, as they were usually more focused on love. But still):

FIRST FOUR ALBUMS

  Reveal hidden contents

DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE

Nothing really in this album, it was quite tame since she was trying to make commercial music that would have massive appeal. But even there the songs are often about how she's too good for the guy, doesn't need a guy, or if she was his girlfriend his life would be better. And yet, we still got:

– "Baby let me know if you wanna roll with a Hip Hop Star. I'm a Rock Star." (Hip Hop Star)

B'DAY

Songs like Irreplaceable, Freakum Dress and Ring the Alarm are a thematic precursor to where her career would go from there.

I AM... SASHA FIERCE

– "I'm a diva... diva is a female version of a hustla" (Diva)

– "I got a big Ego... He loves my big Ego." (Ego)

4

- "Boy don't even try to touch this [...] This is how they made me, Houston Texas Baby." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "I think I need a barber: none of these n***** can fade me. I'm so good with this, I remind I'm so hood with this." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

- "Hope you still like me. F U - Pay me." (Who Run the World? Girls!)

BEYONCÉ

  Reveal hidden contents

– "And why you think you keep my name rollin' off your tongue? Cause when you want a smash, I just write another one. I sneezed on the beat and the beat got sicker" (Yoncé)

- "I know when you were little girls you dreamt of being in my world [...] this my ****, bow down bitches." (Bow Down)

- "I woke up like this [...] Say I look so good tonight" (Flawless)

LEMONADE

  Reveal hidden contents

- "Earned all this money but they'll never take the country out me" (Formation)

- "I just may be a black Bill Gates in the making" (Formation)

- "I dream it, I work hard, I grind till I own it. I twirl on them haters [...] Cause I slay, all day" (Formation)

THE CARTERS

Pretty much the whole album,  but

  Reveal hidden contents

- "We livin' lavish, I get expensive fabrics, I got expensive habits" (Apeshit)

- "My great-great grandchildren already rich. That's a lotta brown children on your Forbes list." (Boss)

- "My success can't be quantified, if I gave 2 ****s about streamin' numbers would've put Lemonade up on Spotify" (Nice)

- "I ain't never seen a ceiling in my whole life" (Nice)

- "I'm so nice, I'm everybody type, god damn right, I'm so nice, Jesus Christ, I'm better than the hype, I give you life" (Nice)

- "I'm representin' for the hustlers all across the world" (713)

- "My friends are goals, your friends are foes" (Friends)

- "No need to ask, you heard about us" (Heard About Us)

THE LION KING: THE GIFT

  Reveal hidden contents

- "I'm so unbothered [...] y'all be so pressed while I'm raisin' daughters" (Mood 4 Eva)

- "Why would you try me? Why would you bother? I am Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter. [...] I be like soul food, I am a whole mood." (Mood 4 Eva)

- "My power they'll never take" (My Power)

- "Here I come on my throne sitting high, follow my parade" (Black Parade)

- "Rubber bullets bouncin' off me, made a picket sign off your picket fence, take it as a warning" (Black Parade)

RENAISSANCE

  Reveal hidden contents

- "You know all these songs sound good... 'Cause I'm on that ho." (I'm That Girl)

- "It's not the diamonds, it's not the pearls: I'm that girl." (I'm That Girl)

- "Category: Bad Bitch - I'm the bar, alien superstar. I'm too classy for this world. [...] I'm U-N-I-Q-U-E" (Alien Superstar)

- "Only a real one could tame me, only the radio could play me" (Heated)

COWBOY CARTER

  Reveal hidden contents

- "They couldn't have me, and they never will." (Bodyguard)

- "I'm still a Creole Banjee bitch from Louisianne." (Jolene)

- "At the snap of my fingers, I'm Thanos. And I'm still on your fingers, cornrows. They call me the captain, the cat walk assassin, when they know it's slappin', then here come the yappin'." (Spaghettii)

- "I ain't no regular singer, now come get everythin' you came for" (Spaghettii)

- "Those petty ones can't **** with me! Why? 'Cause I'm a clever girl!" (Ya Ya)

- "AOTY I ain't win, I ain't stuntin' 'bout them, take that **** on the chin, come back and **** up the pen" (Buckiin')

- "Say the things that I know will offend, wear that **** that I know start a trend" (Buckiin')

BONUS ROUNDS: collabs

  Reveal hidden contents

– "I stop the world, men and female it make no difference I stop the world! World stop... Carry on!" (Feelin' Myself – Nicki Minaj)

– "I been givin' birth on these haters 'cause I'm fertile" (Mi Gente - J Balvin)

– "Petty, petty, petty, I've been winnin' steady. Yoncé, Yoncé all up on your grill lil' boy [...] came out '97, winnin' twenty years, boy." (Shining - DJ Khaled)

– "I break the internet, top two and I ain't number two" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "My body, my ice, my cash, all real I'm a triple threat" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "If they tryna party with the queen they gon' have to sign a non-disclosure" (Top Off - DJ Khaled)

– "I'm a boss, I'm a leader, I pull up in my two-seater, and my momma was a savage, n****, got this **** from Tina" (Savage - Megan Thee Stallion)

 

Did you write this from scratch? 

[vanna shintuyu 10,479]

19 hours ago, River said:

It’s the 3rd dingle already lol

maybe she should get the hint, scrap the album and go back to the studio

omg not the 3rd dingle 

[salty like sodium 1,316]

5 minutes ago, dynamite said:

Did you write this from scratch? 

I did, I was in a mood 

7 minutes ago, Bradley said:

But tbf it's a matter of execution, not theme. 

I feel like you keep shifting the goalpost of your own stance because you keep getting rebutted. At first the issue was that her themes were not original. So I pointed out it was more original than love, which is what 90% of people do. Then you claimed that she shouldn't have to brag like that because others like Beyoncé don't. So I again pointed out that that was incorrect, and added some pointed remarks about systemic injustice and oppression which you interestingly completely chose to ignore. And so now it's not about what she's saying or the theme she's choosing, but the way she's saying it, and at this point there's really nothing more to say because you've decided to be a hater and so that's the end of it. 

[Nickypie101 1,558]

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