Why does VIY sound like Bad Romance?

[MadArchitect 845]

12 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Ok let's be so honest that VIY absolutely does not sound as similar to BR as Judas does lmao VIY is a completely different type of song that has a melodic call-out. Judas, by her own admission I will add, peddles in the similar sorts of dark synths that BR does. Obviously they're different songs, but one (Judas) was quite literally made in iteration of the former's design (again, she said as much when she said, "sometimes I do count my stripes and make sure they’re all there, and 'Judas' was one of those records. I wanted it to be an evolution from where I’ve been before but in terms of the formula I wanted there to be something about 'Judas' that reminded people of what I’ve done") while another (VIY) was made independent of what it's referencing.

 

the drums are so different, the syths are so differenet, Judas is much more brighter, the structure is different, if i would compare it to any song structurally it would be PF not BR, they are different styles, BR sounds darker and industrial, while judas sounds more EDM rave-y, they are compared only because they are very dance oriented, and have a similar chorus and similar hook after the chorus, but that's it. 
Gaga has said similar things about this album, so what's the difference really? VIY verses also remind me of BR just the low voice in which she sings, while Judas verses are completely different, she sings in a kind of rap/singing delivery, very unique...

Edited Wednesday at 03:28 PM by MadArchitect

[djBuffoon 12,100]

The chord progressions in the chorus are similar. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 20,499]

1 hour ago, MountainMonster said:

lol. But it truly is a unique Gaga-ism. She creates her own onomatopoeia. Roma-Roma-ah is mimicking the sound of the word romance, juda-juda-ah is mimicking the sound of the word Judas. I don’t know a different literary device to call that by. Gagamatopoeia. 

I get what you’re saying, but it’s still not an onomatopoeia lolol. Onomatopoeia are words that are meant to sound like the sounds they’re creating (“buzz,” “hiss,” “splat,” “boom” etc).

[Defmix100 6,239]

1 hour ago, Ziggy said:

Oh well the basic structure of them are the same so critics have long made connections between them. I think over time it's become something of a certain style of hers but the darker, lower sing-speak verses, swelling pre-chorus, HUGE full throat chorus, chanting robo syllabic post chorus was somewhat unique to those songs for a while. Plus, the synths used have some similarities. It's not as intentional a reference as Judas is but I think it was more or less becoming a stylistic moniker of hers especially between two enormous singles of hers so critics identified the similar elements.

But bearing all that in mind, you can see the evolution from PF to BR to Judas, and how one's success kind of made way for another's inception lol

That's interesting I don't think I've ever heard that before, the structure's are pretty different from each other

 

1 hour ago, MadArchitect said:

the drums are so different, the syths are so differenet, Judas is much more brighter, the structure is different, if i would compare it to any song structurally it would be PF not BR, they are different styles, BR sounds darker and industrial, while judas sounds more EDM rave-y, they are compared only because they are very dance oriented, and have a similar chorus and similar hook after the chorus, but that's it. 
Gaga has said similar things about this album, so what's the difference really? VIY verses also remind me of BR just the low voice in which she sings, while Judas verses are completely different, she sings in a kind of rap/singing delivery, very unique...

But BR and Judas are very similar, look here at the song structures, it's really just the verse/pre-chorus of Judas that matches PF and that they both have instrumental/beat sections

[JohnWayne92 2,148]

lol there is a science to everything - including making music 

[dopega 3,726]

All of you that keep denying it should go listen to the backing vocals, it's quite obviously borrowing elements from BR. Especially that piano part before that last chorus is straight up the same as Bad Romance piano version from her jazz shows. It's just a fun way to paint an image of Lady Gaga (the persona) as something she left behind like a ghost, the phantom of the dance floor if I may say. And now it's haunting her and begging to become a part of her.

Actually I would go as far as to say she was lowkey teasing VIY here.

 

[MadArchitect 845]

3 hours ago, Defmix100 said:

That's interesting I don't think I've ever heard that before, the structure's are pretty different from each other

 

But BR and Judas are very similar, look here at the song structures, it's really just the verse/pre-chorus of Judas that matches PF and that they both have instrumental/beat sections

well, even that shows the difference structurally, you could also go a say that it's really just the chorus and post chorus hook that matches BR, while the verses, verse/prechorus and instrumental breakdown matches PF, the rest is just stadand pop music structure that any pop song usually follows
BR verses are split in two sections, that the image just ignores for the sake of making them seem more similar, hence why BR verses are way longer

Edited Wednesday at 07:57 PM by MadArchitect

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4 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

the drums are so different, the syths are so differenet, Judas is much more brighter, the structure is different, if i would compare it to any song structurally it would be PF not BR, they are different styles, BR sounds darker and industrial, while judas sounds more EDM rave-y, they are compared only because they are very dance oriented, and have a similar chorus and similar hook after the chorus, but that's it. 
Gaga has said similar things about this album, so what's the difference really? VIY verses also remind me of BR just the low voice in which she sings, while Judas verses are completely different, she sings in a kind of rap/singing delivery, very unique...

Judas and BR have almost identical structures lol

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1 hour ago, MadArchitect said:

well, even that shows the difference structurally, you could also go a say that it's really just the chorus and post chorus hook that matches BR, while the verses, verse/prechorus and instrumental breakdown matches PF, the rest is just stadand pop music structure that any pop song usually follows
BR verses are split in two sections, that the image just ignores for the sake of making them seem more similar, hence why BR verses are way longer

how would the BR verses be shown another way? They are verses, then there's the pre-chorus, I don't know a term for splitting a verse.
But the BR and Judas openings, hooks and bridges are very similar

[JustJustan 857]

Composer here. It’s not merely a callback to BR, it’s a partial melodic inversion. While BR ends its melody on A minor, VIY inverts the melody to a major and ends on F major. It’s showing duality, and overcoming the bad to having something good.