Ladle Ghoulash 19,116 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:25 PM, Taumaturg0 said: If she considered "re-producing" the album to fit a concept, then that, by definition, wasn't the original concept. little complainers are tiring. Expand Ding, ding you are correct We have forgotten our public MANNERS 11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars 2,230 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) I have to disagree. She clearly states that she didn't want Mayhem to become another "sound" or "vibe" like almost all of her previous outputs were. A solid concept can be great for the artist and the listener but there's a beauty and art to allow multitudes to exist. What will be more interesting to see is how she goes on after this project, she's stated that every tone on the album is the "tip of the iceberg". In life you have to accept the sum of all parts. Its more of a philosophy to stay abundant and happy. Edited April 6 by Mars 21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 629 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:27 PM, Ladle Ghoulash said: Yeah, the OG argument convenieny neglects that Lady Gaga is 38 year old with agency. Not to mention that, in the Zane Lowe interview Gaga explicitly states that PC came along later in the cycle and what Michael discouraged her from doing was reworking pre-existing material that didn’t fit the industrial/grunge theme into that theme. She wanted to retcon the grunge angle and that was what Michael, rightfully, discouraged her from doing. Expand That's a good point too... I feel like she started this project just wanting to make the dopest music. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 629 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I do find it a bit odd that Happy Mistake isn't on Mayhem since it directly talks about broken mirrors etc. Maybe too on the nose for Gaga? I would've loved that track in place of The Beast or BoG. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 1,789 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:25 PM, Nagini said: Oh jeez, these comments. Any disagreement or opinion about her work/artistic direction is met with so much defensiveness and chagrin. OP clearly laid out his POV and backed it up with quotes directly from Gaga... he is not saying that she is controlled by her fiance, but it is a fact that Michael encouraged Gaga to stay on track and not lose sight of the amazing music that didn't fit the landscape of PC. Please read more carefully... debate is ruined by poor comprehension skills. Expand I'm always open to debate and opinions against decisions she makes, don't get me wrong! And my "okay to sum up" post was just satire lmao nothing else And as I said, always open! but I respectfully dislike when someone's attitude starts being like "you know what? you are just gaslighting yourself because your opinion is just bad right? like I've got the truth in my hands and that's it you've got nothing to do about it" because if someone starts acting like that then it wasn't a discussion since the very beginning On 4/6/2025 at 5:27 PM, Ladle Ghoulash said: Yeah, the OG argument convenieny neglects that Lady Gaga is 38 year old with agency. Not to mention that, in the Zane Lowe interview Gaga explicitly states that PC came along later in the cycle and what Michael discouraged her from doing was reworking pre-existing material that didn’t fit the industrial/grunge theme into that theme. She wanted to retcon the grunge angle and that was what Michael, rightfully, discouraged her from doing. Expand Couldn't have said it better. He ironically wanted her to stay true to all the process lol not the opposite 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 629 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:33 PM, elegidadedios said: I'm always open to debate and opinions against decisions she makes, don't get me wrong! And my "okay to sum up" post was just satire lmao nothing else And as I said, always open! but I respectfully dislike when someone's attitude starts being like "you know what? you are just gaslighting yourself because your opinion is just bad right? like I've got the truth in my hands and that's it you've got nothing to do about it" because if someone starts acting like that then it wasn't a discussion since the very beginning Couldn't have said it better. He ironically wanted her to stay true to all the process lol not the opposite Expand Yes, this is true. OP can chill a little lol it's not that deep you guys. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 1,789 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:25 PM, Taumaturg0 said: If she considered "re-producing" the album to fit a concept, then that, by definition, wasn't the original concept. little complainers are tiring. Expand YOU ATE! That's what I was trying to say. 200% agreed 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley 9,112 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Not another so called lost album lol. My take is a project can change a million times throughout the creation process. An artist doesn’t have to strictly abide by the first themes they came up with, nor do they have to take an idea and run with it, like when Gaga said she briefly wanted a whole album of songs like PC then thought against it. 1 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagini 629 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) If she made another "sonic" album like Perfect Celebrity and it ended up being similar to a "rock" version of Joanne, or even Chromatica for that matter (since it is supposed to be "dance") lmao... keep it in the vault. She is much, much better at making dope pop music. Edited April 6 by Nagini 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Grimes 464 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) some of y'all are extremely dramatic. i thought i was dramatic af when i lost my sh*t watching the abracadabra video and SOBBED hearing half of mayhem for the first time, but this "betrayed album" thing is a little much for me. i would've loved a cohesive album with everything like perfect celebrity and can't stop the high, i thought that's what we were getting based on all the promo and the snippets and the aesthetic. but i'm happy with what we got, i'm content with mayhem. this album means a lot to me because i was in a very VERY dark place when she initially announced it was coming last may and following the announcement, keeping up with news and speculation was one of the few things keeping me sane. do i wish things were different? sure, but i'm not going this far to voice that opinion. Edited April 6 by CARL GRIMES EXPERT rip carl grimes you would've loved mayhem by lady gaga ♡ 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha4ever 1,470 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 english is not my native language >.< 3 21 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 1,789 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:25 PM, Anderson123 said: I don't have the energy to get into this type of discussion but happens with every album. Now that the release hype has cooled down, fans will try to analyze everything and the "what could have been" stuff will come up, theories about changed plans because once again they did not get the album they had in mind. Expand "The enjoyment we get from other people's pain is a sin" - Madonna Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars 2,230 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I think to a point Gaga has always been conflicted in her approach to the topic of fame. Yes sure that PC-rage/SXSW Gaga exists but there's absolutely no doubt that she revels in being an industry darling and part of the establishment. She likes her money to be topped up too. That conflict would be part of the philosophy of "mayhem" right? 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 1,789 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2025 at 5:52 PM, Mars said: I think to a point Gaga has always been conflicted in her approach to the topic of fame. Yes sure that PC-rage/SXSW Gaga exists but there's absolutely no doubt that she revels in being an industry darling and part of the establishment. She likes her money to be topped up too. That conflict would be part of the philosophy of "mayhem" right? Expand You woke up today and decided to devour right 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinasawachanta 2,915 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Yes, I agree. Although I like MAYHEM very much, I feel that there is something strange, disjointed, in the project. Of course, the visuals and the sound are on different lines. The singles are not representative of the bulk of the album. And it's not unremarkable that she claimed she wanted to go the electro-grunge route of Perfect Celebrity and Michael said “no, you like other genres too”, and she wanted to leave out How Bad Do You Want Me and Michael said “no, you have to include it because your fans will like it”. What a surprise, both of these things work in the direction of increasing the commercial nature of the album, at the expense of its artistic integrity. I have long assumed, and the latest tour events are the biggest proof of this, that we are following a person who is still a businesswoman. 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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