Perfect celebrity : the ghost of a betrayed album

[ChvVolk 2,200]

1 hour ago, Edonis said:

maybe you can make an argument for HBDYWM, but Don't Call Tonight literally has production elements (the vocoder in particular) on two other tracks (SOAM and Kill for Love). It absolutely fits in with the album, lyrically and sonically. 

Actually, yes you're right. DCT fits. I do wish it had more of a Kavinsky style but it was close enough 

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8 hours ago, Bronco said:

I'll put it behind a spoiler so it's not a bulky comment and people can skip past. 
Spoiler - Blade of Grass doesn't fit anywhere you put it lol 
 

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My layout basically turns it into two 8 track EPs as a double album (think Marina's Love + Fear). 
1. Disease
2. Abracadabra
3. Can't Stop The High
4. Perfect Celebrity
5. Killah 
6. Garden of Eden
7. Zombieboy
8. The Beast
9. Kill for Love
10. How Bad Do U Want Me
11. Blade Of Grass
12. Vanish Into You
13. Die With A Smile
14. Love Drug
15. Don't Call Tonight
16. Shadow Of A Man

 

I'm not the person you were replying to here but as far as me saying the tracklist could do with a bit of tweaking, this is exactly the kind of thing I meant. This order alone feels like it flows so much better (though I'd swap a couple around).

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4 hours ago, Mars said:

Honestly I think if CSTH and KFL were in the original tracklist (as they should have been) some fans would have been a bit more pacified in their want for cohesion.

It boggles my mind that they’re exclusive tracks. Truly better than at least 4 other tracks on the album, but I’ll leave it there lol. 

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14 hours ago, ChvVolk said:

This is their opinion and experience with the album. You didn't have to read any of this or even respond. Glad you enjoy it and move on. Blah blah blah. 

And that’s my opinion so what’s it to you? Tired of people saying Gaga should have done this or that. She wanted an album full of ballads before they convinced her to do Chromatica. Now “fans” who “know her so well” are saying she is not being her authentic self, bagging her biggest hit in years and whining on how it’s not this or that. She is a grown ass woman and a massive superstar, you can have opinions but don’t make it sound like you know best than the woman who works so hard on her career, craft and legacy. 

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6 hours ago, OMF said:

And that’s my opinion so what’s it to you? Tired of people saying Gaga should have done this or that. She wanted an album full of ballads before they convinced her to do Chromatica. Now “fans” who “know her so well” are saying she is not being her authentic self, bagging her biggest hit in years and whining on how it’s not this or that. She is a grown ass woman and a massive superstar, you can have opinions but don’t make it sound like you know best than the woman who works so hard on her career, craft and legacy. 

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[BloodyM 1,251]

On 4/6/2025 at 6:19 PM, Nagini said:

Now that I think of it, Happy Mistake also feels like a part of PC's world. 

This 100%. And isn't it odd that Gaga did a TV performance of Happy Mistake, but one from Mayhem? She has literally disappeared since she released the album. Maybe CookieHWilson is right. I've said this before, and believe if you want or not but my bf works in a fashion brand and they created a look for Gaga last Sept, that was very dark. She was meant to do fashion Week but it all got cancelled last minute so something must have happened. 

Edited April 8 by BloodyM

[Vicixs 3,463]

I was robbed of an industrial album????

[elegidadedios 1,844]

1 hour ago, BloodyM said:

This 100%. And isn't it odd that Gaga did a TV performance of Happy Mistake, but none from Mayhem? She has literally disappeared since she released the album. Maybe CookieHWilson is right.

...she did SNL and performed Abracadabra and Killah, sis 

Happy Mistake was produced by Bloodpop meaning it was surely meant to be part of Chromatica in the beginning, she just wanted to release that song and used Harlequin as the ideal spot

And no, he is not right by any means. Gaga herself said the first song written for MAYHEM was Vanish Into You. She just implied in the Zane Lowe interview that, after Perfect Celebrity was done, she went to the studio saying they should have to make the whole album sound like PC (having to re-produce all the tracks they've already made), but she changed her mind as Michael encouraged her not to do so because everything she did til that was amazing too - he basically told her to stay true to the process, not the opposite -. By doing so, she didn't put an outfit to this record (she implied Chroma had its own vibe, Joanne, ARTPOP, etc... So she said she wanted to make an effort by not putting an outfit on MAYHEM. If she did the whole record under the PC sound, that's when she would literally have changed directions faking It, not the other way around).

So it's clear that user intentionally misunderstood her words to fit into a made up narrative because he (and others) didn't like the album at all and prefer her to always be broken due to the fact that, as a fanbase, it seems like there's this parasocial need of wanting to protect and save a woman allegedly under an oppressive context. None of that is happening.

*(the last point is just my opinion )

Edited April 8 by elegidadedios

[elegidadedios 1,844]

18 minutes ago, Vicixs said:

I was robbed of an industrial album????

No, you were not. None of us.

Ugh, this feels like fake news spreading all over the internet and making their way into the news on TV lmao

[BloodyM 1,251]

6 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

...she did SNL and performed Abracadabra and Killah, sis 

Happy Mistake was produced by Bloodpop meaning it was surely meant to be part of Chromatica in the beginning, she just wanted to release that song and used Harlequin as the ideal spot

And no, he is not right by any means. Gaga herself said the first song written for MAYHEM was Vanish Into You. She just implied in the Zane Lowe interview that, after Perfect Celebrity was done, she went to the studio saying they should have to make the whole album sound like PC (having to re-produce all the tracks they've already made), but she changed her mind as Michael encouraged her not to do so because everything she did til that was amazing too - he basically told her to stay true to the process, not the opposite -.

So it's clear that user intentionally misunderstood her words to fit into a made up narrative because he (and others) didn't like the album at all and prefer her to always be broken due to the fact that, as a fanbase, it seems like there's this parasocial need of wanting to protect and save a woman allegedly under an oppressive context. None of that is happening.

*(the last point is just my opinion )

Sorry I'm dyslexic, I had a typo there one not none hah! (well she did 2 songs but I found it odd that she didn't do any other performance). I see your pov and I agree with it. 

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Didn't she say Vanish Into You was the first track she wrote for the album? She already HAD the different genres issue while creating. She THOUGHT she needed to homogenize what was already done after she wrote Perfect Celebrity. 

Timeline:

First: creating songs in different genres.

Second: creating Perfect Celebrity and thinking she needed to change the finished ones to match PC aesthetic.

Third: giving up and continuing to create it in different genres.

 

What's not clicking? There isn't an album that was scraped. It was an IDEA that was scraped. Not hard to understand.

[elegidadedios 1,844]

22 hours ago, Brazilwood said:

Didn't she say Vanish Into You was the first track she wrote for the album? She already HAD the different genres issue while creating. She THOUGHT she needed to homogenize what was already done after she wrote Perfect Celebrity. 

Timeline:

First: creating songs in different genres.

Second: creating Perfect Celebrity and thinking she needed to change the finished ones to match PC aesthetic.

Third: giving up and continuing to create it in different genres.

 

What's not clicking? There isn't an album that was scraped. It was an IDEA that was scraped. Not hard to understand.

Agreed. And even that scrapped idea would've been actually changing the sound direction if it ended up happening because she would have had to reproduce all the tracks, not the other way around. It's just part of the process. 

I wonder why I'm not seeing the same complaining energy with Chromatica... Maybe they don't want her to "stay true" all the time as long as she delivers full poppy records lmao 

Edited April 9 by elegidadedios

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9 hours ago, ChvVolk said:

Tl;dr

I don’t speak whatever language this is sorry. 

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On 4/6/2025 at 11:47 PM, elegidadedios said:

...anyways

Can mods please shut down this thread

I'm sorry but I genuinely enjoy reading it (and I don't agree with everything)! It's those people who are like "" on every thread pretending to know a definite answer to everything but are not willing to compromise to other opinions when OP clearly created a thread that is meeting a lot of diverse engagement... why should it be closed? It's a forum afterall

[ajmsamuel 1,515]

for me is just marketing. from my perspective:

1. the album (as SHE SAID on the apple video) was meant to be industrial and grunge, but what i dont buy from her is that was meant to create an album without a "vibe" or "sound".

2. the flop from joker 2 and disease (yes disease wasnt a hit for gaga standards) influenced on the discography to change plans.

3. for me, they decided to make the album with more genres in order to have more chances to release a song that can hit the charts.

4. but since they teased such a dark album and released disease, they started of the idea of the shattered mirror/fragmentation. so they kept the visual but she made 50 songs for this album, im not sayin she randomly created taylor esque songs for the charts, maybe these songs we have are mostly part of this mayhem sessions.

5. other thing they did to avoid the flop is that they put DWAS on the album.

is kinda underwhelming because of the visuals-songs talking about an artist that USUALLY the sound of the songs match with the visuals but also i think is not a big deal. Girl is almost 40, i know we always wanted another TFM 2.0... just enjoy the music and if you dont like dont hear often. Dont feel bad if you dont like it too. I admid that half of the album doesnt connect with me, and thats OK! is normal... we are growing up...