Monet 932 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, robotvoiceinalice said: and then she named the album after someone who is dead and that Gaga never met. She never met Joanne, but Gaga always loved her. In The Fame booklet there is a poem written by Joanne. I hate this narrative that Gaga used her dead aunt to promote an album. Joanne always meant a lot to her. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman 6,128 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I don’t think SLANDERING those albums is necessary. But assessing them under the context of which they were created in is a fair. The way she spoke about them was always different - and recent interviews kinda solidify a lot of WHY. I think a lot of people forget she was ready to quit music after how she was treated for ARTPOP and what happened behind the scenes. Making Cheek to Cheek with Tony was the thing that kept her in. Joanne and Chromatica weren’t made from the same place as The Fame, TFM, BTW, ARTPOP. Those albums had hunger and confidence in them in way Joanne and Chromatica did not. This is reflected in the how’s and whys of making the albums - as well as the lyrical content itself. MAYHEM is a return to form, because there is an excitement from her, a confidence in the work, and a freedom in how the album is written. Joanne and Chromatica weren’t as heavy on the tongue in cheek writing Gaga was known for on her first 4 album - but we see that back in full force with no fear of if it will be torn apart or adored. Joanne and Chromatica are both great albums - but they also are albums that almost feel like what she thought she *should* make rather than being what she *wanted* to make. Whether it be for business reasons or personal reasons. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 4,264 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I consistently listen to more songs from Joanne than any other album (DH, Joanne, MR, PI, JW, and, yes, Grigio Girls). Is it my favorite album? No. But I go back to it more than even BTW. I agree, both albums did their jobs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 18,527 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Damn everyone is ripping into Chromatica and I'm here wondering if I like Mayhem more or not I really enjoyed Chromatica A LOT. Alice, Babylon & Enigma are some of my all time favs. It was also her return to Dancepop. I will agree it has some filler though, while Mayhem mostly doesn't. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctelus 2,892 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) When Joanne came out it was hype because 3 years since ARTPOP I was excited for another era. Perfect Illusion was disappointing to me but the first half of the album I liked and enjoyed Gaga's influence on the tracks if nothing else. I just think something wasn't quite clicking which is what a lot of people felt. I really enjoyed Chromatica at the time because it was a nice break from the analog sounds of Joanne. It definitely brought some of that excitement back. MAYHEM is just on another level and it has put the last two albums in a different light to me because the bar has been raised exponentially. It's what I've been truly waiting for since 2013 and it gives me that euphoria that I remember from listening to Aura for the first time. Edited March 12 by Noctelus Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturalbaptism 2,902 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Noctelus said: When Joanne came out it was hype because 3 years since ARTPOP I was excited for another era. Perfect Illusion was disappointing to me but the first half of the album I liked and enjoyed Gaga's influence on the tracks if nothing else. I just think something wasn't quite clicking which is what a lot of people felt. I really enjoyed Chromatica at the time because it was a nice break from the analog sounds of Joanne. It definitely brought some of that excitement back. MAYHEM is just on another level and it has put the last two albums in a different light to me because the bar has been raised exponentially. It's what I've been truly waiting for since 2013 and it gives me that euphoria that I remember from listening to Aura for the first time. Perfect Illusion was a complete let down for me, gosh never been so disappointed in my life. I sadly forced myself to pretend I enjoyed Joanne and it was a good album. Just like with Cheek to Cheek. But A Star Is Born came and finally what Joanne was supposed to be came to fruition. Enjoyed this one a lot. When Chromatica came out I was bored in the pandemic and Chromatica was ok but stood kinda in the limbo for me. Judas is coming, let the cultural baptism begin. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 4,034 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 None of these albums helped her career, it was mainly A Star Is Born and her Jazz albums that helped because the general public saw her in a different light. I think if Gaga released a truly good pop album soon after Joanne, Joanne would be more appreciated as an experimental era, but she went on too long not giving us good pop music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto 13,363 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I will say this: it baffles me that both the fans and Gaga compare in Chromatica and Mayhem in a way that she's more authentic now. Not talking about that she obviously feels much better now, but lyrically Chromatica had some truly gut wrenching dark moments Free my mind 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 12,563 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 hours ago, MEM said: I'm confused...? I thought it was more so 2:50, the LoveGame yell is basically the John Wayne yell? She used the same guitar riff here as from John Wayne live performances. he/him/his Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,632 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 hours ago, Cavadour said: Yeah, that was a common reaction of the casual Gaga-loving ppl around me on Chroma release. I've been a gaga fan since day one so it wasn't just casual listeners who felt that way. If anything, her long-time fans were the ones let down by Chromatica because they'd watched her musical evolution and knew she was only getting better with time and now seemed to have regressed. 20 hours ago, 27monster27 said: @StrawberryBlond (Sorry, I don't know how to quote from a different page) It's also because the GP largely won the battle against Lady Gaga trying to be different and proving that pop is worthy of being treated the same way. Someone tried to do me on here over saying that the response to the Bowie tribute was rockism, but I was right and always have been. Is it me you're aiming this at or Cavadour's reply to me? I don't get what you're trying to say with your response. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 12,563 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: Is it me you're aiming this at or Cavadour's reply to me? I don't get what you're trying to say with your response. I wasn't being mean! I was just unsure of how to quote your reply since it was on a different page. Any anger I had was at the person who said that Duncan Bowie and any Bowie fans were right to attack Lady Gaga when there were bigger issues at play. You're fine! he/him/his Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Goo Goo 3,803 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/11/2025 at 10:25 PM, 27monster27 said: ARTPOP era ---> Born This Way was semi-ignored Joanne era ---> ARTPOP highly ignored Chromatica era ---> Joanne (and ARTPOP) almost entirely ignored (except for the John Wayne riff during Lovegame, but that is only small) For MAYHEM it remains to be seen, but yeah, this is a decade long pattern now. Ignoring ARTPOP this time might be too high risk though given the extreme fan demand behind the album. No one seems to remember that she did a Joanne song at half the Chromatica Ball dates and it made it into the tour film lol. Lady Gaga doesn't owe us anything 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 12,563 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 34 minutes ago, Madame Goo Goo said: No one seems to remember that she did a Joanne song at half the Chromatica Ball dates and it made it into the tour film lol. I just looked and I forgot that she did Angel Down. he/him/his 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Arven 1,767 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) i love joanne and chromatica. angel down, joanne, perfect illusion, sine from above, alice... those songs omg... they were there for me and for some of us. it's so boring it makes me wanna go strem those gurls three times. also stop judging albums on their own. Even the 'worst' bowie album has the 'loving the alien' gem in it... you don't have to love everything on a record like ever. Edited March 18 by Nathaniel Arven 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvin 1,380 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/11/2025 at 3:22 PM, vmpiregrn said: I genuinely love Joanne. I feel like when you let go of your desire for electro pop, it’s a solid pop rock album that showcases range. With Chromatica I had to suspend some disbelief to really enjoy it, which I wouldn’t have done if I weren’t a serious Gaga fan. A lot of Chromatica’s styling and visuals seemed very cheap, save for high-budget publications and the photoshoots for the album itself. There was a lot of cringe to that era too that was hard to separate from the music as a devoted fan…like the Stupid Love video and the whole kindness punk thing. I don’t think Chromatica is aging well, unfortunately. Chromatica was also not my favorite but the tour elevated it to legendary status. The songs got whole new meaning for me after the tour. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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