Beyonce wins Album Of The Year at the Grammys

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18 hours ago, River said:

I mean… to get it after jay rapist complained about it last year.. is.. shady and cheap lol

it’s like when the parents screams at the teacher and the their kids passes the exam lol

It was well overdue whichever way you want to look at it. Even if Jay hadn't complained last year, if she had lost to another white artist for the fifth time in a row it would have been even more cringe and awkward. It's one of those situations that just turned into a mess and the longer time went by the messier it got so they needed to get it over with at some point and this year is the year they decided to do it. It was just pretty ridiculous that the most nominated and awarded musician in history of all-time had never been deemed 'good enough' to win the most important award of the year... And was creating a lot of awkward and uncomfortable discussions. It just needed to happen, it's a shame it didn't happen earlier for an album that was stronger than CC was. But ultimately, CC is still a great and ambitious album, it's just that Beyoncé sets the bar for her own music so high that when it's not as good as Renaissance it feels a bit of a let down. It's still way better than a lot of other pop albums out there though.

[StrawberryBlond 14,451]

I called it all the way back when the album came out and I heard her say "AOTY I ain't never win" on Sweet Honey Buckin.' In that moment, I thought "I have a feeling the academy's going to let her win this time, to be the ultimate irony and to humble her." It feels so good to be right after so many wrong music predictions recently. I can't say I was too impressed with her extremely short acceptance speech that didn't cite any of her collaborators by name but just put them all under an umbrella of professions. Notice there was no mention of any artists who inspired her or who she thought deserved the album more than her? Funny that. Who knows? Maybe this might end the ridiculous trend of artists inexplicably thanking Beyonce in acceptance speeches as she's won the big one now, so you can stop treating her like some uncovered gem when she objectively isn't. Oh, and it was so weird to see Jay there, he's refusing to lay low. Was surprised when Taylor clinked glasses with him on camera. I guess everyone thinks it'll all blow over. The fact Beyonce won the very year after he made that public telling off of the academy for not allowing her to win is suspicious as hell. While I don't believe Grammys can be bought, it sure made it look that way. Anyway...

It may be the biggest "shut up" Grammy win I've ever seen. But finally, this is no longer a bone of contention. I've never been so happy to see an artist who I didn't want to win this award win it.  Finally, it might get her rabid fanbase to shut up. It's so hard to win this award once, never mind twice or more, so the hive really need to pipe the f**k down in future as regards her ever winning this award again. They also need to realise that after an artist has won this award, it's usually the beginning of them starting to win a whole lot less and even be nominated a whole lot less, so don't be surprised if this is the end of Beyonce getting nominations for every minor project, getting 11 nominations in one night, getting nominations in a wide variety of categories, getting nominations for random songs that weren't commercially successful or impactful and getting 2+ awards per ceremony. This will hopefully be the end of an era. Enough of the endless fawning over the big 3 female artists of Beyonce/Taylor/Adele. Let an artist who hasn't had their flowers yet break through and make their mark on pop culture. These women have had their time, a point was made and they've won more than enough.

Edited February 4 by StrawberryBlond

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Loving the fact that Beyoncé can put out a project exploring a divisive genre like country, have it be considered a downgrade from her previous albums by a certain portion of the population, and still make an AOTY 💅🏽

Time to go on the Rodeo Chitlin Circuit and prepare for Act 3!

Edited February 4 by Roughhouse Dandy

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21 hours ago, qoqo said:

Why did gaga and billie cry???

they had a whole bit about the first responders literally before this and they announced the award lol

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2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Notice there was no mention of any artists who inspired her or who she thought deserved the album more than her? Funny that.

Except that she did thank the trailblazers, especially ms. Linda Martell.

[NCgaga 4,319]

She won because of Jay Z’s complaint last year. She def didn’t deserve over HMHAS, and 3 of the country albums nominated with her were much better than Cowboy Carter, in the country album award. 
 

She should have won AOTY a long time ago with Lemonade. This is all a political tactic by the Grammys to try to appease JayZ calling them out last year. Renaissance was a better album as well. 

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20 minutes ago, artlover said:

Except that she did thank the trailblazers, especially ms. Linda Martell.

Linda was the only one she referenced by name and just by her surname at that. Linda is also 83, hasn't put out a song since 1970 and wasn't even at the ceremony. What I meant was she didn't call out any current artists like they've cited her when they've won big awards. Gaga always mentions specific names of her team, Beyonce just vaguely referenced professions, didn't even cite her family by name. It was all so vague, brief and impersonal for the biggest award of the night, of her entire career. It just tells me that yes, she does rely on songwriter camps and isn't the main driving force and creative mastermind behind her albums. It's probably the reason she hasn't won all this time as the Grammys prefer awarding albums with few collaborators, very organic efforts that are clearly coming from the artist's mind. Beyonce rarely does interviews because she doesn't have much to say about her albums as she doesn't really make them, she's just the face of them. Her disconnected speech devoid of passion says it all. 

[Sugar Baby 770]

Easily One of the least deserving AOTY ever

beyonce deserved to win it with Lemonade or ST but NOT with this one

[phantasmas 10,256]

If Grammys can be bought why havent your faves coughed up their $?

Quickly now..

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22 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I called it all the way back when the album came out and I heard her say "AOTY I ain't never win" on Sweet Honey Buckin.' In that moment, I thought "I have a feeling the academy's going to let her win this time, to be the ultimate irony and to humble her." It feels so good to be right after so many wrong music predictions recently. I can't say I was too impressed with her extremely short acceptance speech that didn't cite any of her collaborators by name but just put them all under an umbrella of professions. Notice there was no mention of any artists who inspired her or who she thought deserved the album more than her? Funny that. Who knows? Maybe this might end the ridiculous trend of artists inexplicably thanking Beyonce in acceptance speeches as she's won the big one now, so you can stop treating her like some uncovered gem when she objectively isn't. Oh, and it was so weird to see Jay there, he's refusing to lay low. Was surprised when Taylor clinked glasses with him on camera. I guess everyone thinks it'll all blow over. The fact Beyonce won the very year after he made that public telling off of the academy for not allowing her to win is suspicious as hell. While I don't believe Grammys can be bought, it sure made it look that way. Anyway...

It may be the biggest "shut up" Grammy win I've ever seen. But finally, this is no longer a bone of contention. I've never been so happy to see an artist who I didn't want to win this award win it.  Finally, it might get her rabid fanbase to shut up. It's so hard to win this award once, never mind twice or more, so the hive really need to pipe the f**k down in future as regards her ever winning this award again. They also need to realise that after an artist has won this award, it's usually the beginning of them starting to win a whole lot less and even be nominated a whole lot less, so don't be surprised if this is the end of Beyonce getting nominations for every minor project, getting 11 nominations in one night, getting nominations in a wide variety of categories, getting nominations for random songs that weren't commercially successful or impactful and getting 2+ awards per ceremony. This will hopefully be the end of an era. Enough of the endless fawning over the big 3 female artists of Beyonce/Taylor/Adele. Let an artist who hasn't had their flowers yet break through and make their mark on pop culture. These women have had their time, a point was made and they've won more than enough.

wow someone's salty lol.

"It's so hard to win this award once, never mind twice or more"

Taylor Swift and her four AOTYs want a word.  The reality is that the academy was being racist all this time. The last time a black woman won was way back in 1999. Only four black women have won AOTY in all of history — as many trophies as Taylor Swift has won in the last 10 years, except that while TS is one person, the combined collective of pioneering and industry-shaking black women who did not win it once is about a hundredfold more people. The myth that Taylor Swift is singlehandedly more talented than the combined might of legends like Diana Ross, Donna Summer, Etta James, Aretha Franklin, Billie Holiday, Tina Turner, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Rihanna, Alicia Keys and so many more is just ludicrous at this stage. So it was long overdue, and the academy probably knew it would be pretty damning if she lost yet again. I would have preferred for her to win for self-titled, Lemonade or Renaissance, but sadly that wasn't what happened and that got us to this point where she had to win for CC even though her previous albums were all more deserving. Still, the amount of work and creativity and skill put into this album was above most pop releases (definitely a grade higher than Short & Sweet and TTPD), so I'm also not going to be mad that she won. Beyoncé at her worst still ends up having to put more effort than most of those pop girlies at their best just to stay relevant in an ever ageist and racist climate, and she will always have her work ethic.

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5 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

wow someone's salty lol.

"It's so hard to win this award once, never mind twice or more"

Taylor Swift and her four AOTYs want a word.  The reality is that the academy was being racist all this time. The last time a black woman won was way back in 1999. Only four black women have won AOTY in all of history — as many trophies as Taylor Swift has won in the last 10 years, except that while TS is one person, the combined collective of pioneering and industry-shaking black women who did not win it once is about a hundredfold more people. The myth that Taylor Swift is singlehandedly more talented than the combined might of legends like Diana Ross, Donna Summer, Etta James, Aretha Franklin, Billie Holiday, Tina Turner, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Rihanna, Alicia Keys and so many more is just ludicrous at this stage. So it was long overdue, and the academy probably knew it would be pretty damning if she lost yet again. I would have preferred for her to win for self-titled, Lemonade or Renaissance, but sadly that wasn't what happened and that got us to this point where she had to win for CC even though her previous albums were all more deserving. Still, the amount of work and creativity and skill put into this album was above most pop releases (definitely a grade higher than Short & Sweet and TTPD), so I'm also not going to be mad that she won. Beyoncé at her worst still ends up having to put more effort than most of those pop girlies at their best just to stay relevant in an ever ageist and racist climate, and she will always have her work ethic.

I didn't say it was impossible, just that it was hard. Most artists don't win it and if they do, it's just once. Taylor's a very weird anomaly who has hopefully finished her winning streak too. And no, I don't believe the academy were just racist all this time. Beyonce's work has been very polarising for quite a while now so it's not going to be appeal to the voters as a whole enough for her to win them all over. It's exactly the same problem for white artists, which is probably why Gaga's polarising music has never won AOTY. Granted, black artists have rarely won AOTY but they are some of the most nominated and awarded artists in Grammy history. I think people just trot out this line about the Grammys being racist without actually doing the research. A huge portion of the most nominated and awarded men and women of all time are black artists. Beyonce is the most nominated and awarded and her husband isn't far off. Eminem is the only white rapper in the list of the most awarded rappers (he's also never won AOTY). Almost all of the top most awarded women are black. AOTY isn't the be all and end all either, it's about overall award tally and plenty of deserving white artists have missed out too. Most artists haven't won it.

Its always been hard of women in general to win AOTY. Just 18 women have won the award in the 66 years its been around: Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Carole King, Yoko Ono, Bonnie Raitt, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion, Lauryn Hill, Norah Jones, Dixie Chicks, Alison Krauss, Taylor Swift, Adele, Kacey Musgraves, Billie Eilish, Beyonce. Yoko and Alison were also partnered with a man to win those awards as well. With the exception of Taylor and Adele, all those women only won it once and not all of them are white. And while Taylor has won AOTY where some of the women you listed did not, some of those names like Aretha and Alicia, have more awards than her overall. Absolutely there was racism in the early days but the Grammys grew into one of the most liberal, accepting awards academies ever and its only got more diverse with time. There still hasn't been a wide acceptance of Asian artists but yet, no one except k-pop fans want to discuss that. But there are much bigger obstacles than race when it comes to winning an award, most notably, gender and sexual orientation, but the biggest one is nationality. The Grammys are, for the most part, an American ceremony that celebrates Americans. Even super legendary international acts struggle to win Grammys. That's why most countries have their regional equivalent of the Grammys to make up for it. 

I think Grammys shouldn't be given out just because. No one should be entitled to one. It should be about artistic excellence, so if you haven't done that, it shouldn't be given. It's your opinion if you think Beyonce is deserving to win, I don't think any of her nominated works were good enough, except for Lemonade. I was rooting for her that year because it was the best nominee, but if it was my personal list for the best albums of the year, she wouldn't be on it.

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On 2/2/2025 at 9:51 PM, qoqo said:

Why did gaga and billie cry???

It’s been a long time coming for Beyoncé, she has never won album of the year, even the years many of her peers felt she should have. Billie and Gaga are two of those peers that understand this has been a long time coming & both of them have love respect and admiration for her. It touched both of them to see her win.

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taylor winning this 4 times is insane and i mean that in a negative way

Edited February 5 by nATAH

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45 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I didn't say it was impossible, just that it was hard. Most artists don't win it and if they do, it's just once. Taylor's a very weird anomaly who has hopefully finished her winning streak too. And no, I don't believe the academy were just racist all this time. Beyonce's work has been very polarising for quite a while now so it's not going to be appeal to the voters as a whole enough for her to win them all over. It's exactly the same problem for white artists, which is probably why Gaga's polarising music has never won AOTY. Granted, black artists have rarely won AOTY but they are some of the most nominated and awarded artists in Grammy history. I think people just trot out this line about the Grammys being racist without actually doing the research. A huge portion of the most nominated and awarded men and women of all time are black artists. Beyonce is the most nominated and awarded and her husband isn't far off. Eminem is the only white rapper in the list of the most awarded rappers (he's also never won AOTY). Almost all of the top most awarded women are black. AOTY isn't the be all and end all either, it's about overall award tally and plenty of deserving white artists have missed out too. Most artists haven't won it.

Its always been hard of women in general to win AOTY. Just 18 women have won the award in the 66 years its been around: Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Carole King, Yoko Ono, Bonnie Raitt, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion, Lauryn Hill, Norah Jones, Dixie Chicks, Alison Krauss, Taylor Swift, Adele, Kacey Musgraves, Billie Eilish, Beyonce. Yoko and Alison were also partnered with a man to win those awards as well. With the exception of Taylor and Adele, all those women only won it once and not all of them are white. And while Taylor has won AOTY where some of the women you listed did not, some of those names like Aretha and Alicia, have more awards than her overall. Absolutely there was racism in the early days but the Grammys grew into one of the most liberal, accepting awards academies ever and its only got more diverse with time. There still hasn't been a wide acceptance of Asian artists but yet, no one except k-pop fans want to discuss that. But there are much bigger obstacles than race when it comes to winning an award, most notably, gender and sexual orientation, but the biggest one is nationality. The Grammys are, for the most part, an American ceremony that celebrates Americans. Even super legendary international acts struggle to win Grammys. That's why most countries have their regional equivalent of the Grammys to make up for it. 

I think Grammys shouldn't be given out just because. No one should be entitled to one. It should be about artistic excellence, so if you haven't done that, it shouldn't be given. It's your opinion if you think Beyonce is deserving to win, I don't think any of her nominated works were good enough, except for Lemonade. I was rooting for her that year because it was the best nominee, but if it was my personal list for the best albums of the year, she wouldn't be on it.

I see someone from the Grammy committee has infiltrated GGD 

If you look at most of Beyoncé's awards she has historically won in categories like "R&B", "urban", and "hip hop", categories predominantly populated by black artists. Your claim that black artists are often nominated might need to be cross-referenced with the categories in which they're referenced. The grammys have a history of segregating black artists to their genre categories.

And you're right, racism isn't the only issue, sexism is another one.  But you know what's worse than having to overcome sexism or racism? Having to overcome BOTH racism AND sexism as a black woman (or asian woman, as you said, asian representation is also lacking, although there are very few Asian American acts tbh)! And of the 18 women you listed, only 4 of them are Black (and that's 4 black women in 67 years). Again, despite so many black singers having contributed so much to the industry. And when they lose it's usually to a white man or woman.

I'm not so bothered about nationality because as you mentioned, it's an American ceremony rewarding American artists in their own industry ... There are British Awards and French Awards from which these American artists are either excluded or barely represented, it's just that America having a bigger entertainment industry means more people follow the Grammys.

It's great you don't think she was deserving but clearly you're in the minority. Everyone in the industry, from Adele to Lady Gaga, including Taylor Swift and Billie, have believed this to be deserved for a while now.  Maybe you just didn't get the work, that's ok too, it's not for everyone. 

Edited February 5 by salty like sodium

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1 hour ago, salty like sodium said:

I see someone from the Grammy committee has infiltrated GGD 

If you look at most of Beyoncé's awards she has historically won in categories like "R&B", "urban", and "hip hop", categories predominantly populated by black artists. Your claim that black artists are often nominated might need to be cross-referenced with the categories in which they're referenced. The grammys have a history of segregating black artists to their genre categories.

And you're right, racism isn't the only issue, sexism is another one.  But you know what's worse than having to overcome sexism or racism? Having to overcome BOTH racism AND sexism as a black woman (or asian woman, as you said, asian representation is also lacking, although there are very few Asian American acts tbh)! And of the 18 women you listed, only 4 of them are Black (and that's 4 black women in 67 years). Again, despite so many black singers having contributed so much to the industry. And when they lose it's usually to a white man or woman.

I'm not so bothered about nationality because as you mentioned, it's an American ceremony rewarding American artists in their own industry ... There are British Awards and French Awards from which these American artists are either excluded or barely represented, it's just that America having a bigger entertainment industry means more people follow the Grammys.

It's great you don't think she was deserving but clearly you're in the minority. Everyone in the industry, from Adele to Lady Gaga, including Taylor Swift and Billie, have believed this to be deserved for a while now.  Maybe you just didn't get the work, that's ok too, it's not for everyone. 

It's not hard to find out. A simple Wiki search is all you need. I always check the records before and after every ceremony. Look up "Grammy Awards" and then on the left panel, click on "leading winners" and then "Grammy award milestones." It will chronicle the top names in every category of records from most nominated, most won, youngest/oldest nominee, most decorated album, etc. When you flick through the names of most nominated and awarded, you will see an abundance of black artists. If you've never heard of them, hover over their name to see their photo. 

The problem you describe for Beyonce is not unique to her or black artists. It happens to just about everyone. Gaga's been stuck in pop music all her days, Lana was stuck in pop and finally got relegated to alternative, the re-categorised Justin's Changes album to pop when he submitted it under RnB and basically, it's extremely hard for white popstars to break out out of the pop category. That segregation actually harms their chances of winning, not improves because pop categories are super competitive and are mostly won by who's the newest name. Beyonce, by comparison, has been given free rein to compete in just about every category - RnB, pop, urban contemporary, rap, melodic rap, dance/electronic, rock, country and americana. I wish Gaga's music would be respectfully categorised like that and she could get 7 songs from the same album nominated. Beyonce literally gets special treatment in this regard. I don't see any other artist whose music is widely nominated under various categories and includes non-singles. It's like the academy want her to get recognised for being nominated in as many categories as possible even when it really doesn't fit. Levi's Jeans was put under pop even though it definitely isn't. And it really doesn't matter what categories black artists are winning, a Grammy is a Grammy (a lot of the producers are winning broadly though). I wouldn't care if Gaga only won pop Grammys, I just want her to win something and she's never won a general field category. Is it no longer racism when it happens to white artists? 

I don't know why you don't care about the nationality issue. Is it because being American, it doesn't affect you? Well, it bothers me. I'm British and a lot of our biggest and most respected acts don't even get nominated for Grammys. There are international acts who have critically acclaimed albums by American publications but they don't get Grammys. And I hate the BRITS, I don't like how they're called the British Grammys, they're really not. They don't have enough categories, their choices are usually heavily based on commercial performance, their choices are heavily biased, it's all a mess. The Grammys are the biggest representation of music and artists in terms of categories and trying to accept everyone but they're still sorely lacking. They may be an American ceremony but they're meant to represent the best music globally. Rarely happens. 

I don't care if Beyonce has a lot of her peers supporting her. It doesn't mean they're right. Taste is subjective. I've listened to all her albums and the only ones that I thought were anywhere near good were her debut, 4, self-titled and Lemonade. She has some really good songs on every album but as a whole body of work, not really above average. The only real standouts on CC were American Requiem, Jolene, Daughter and Ya Ya, none of which actually won Grammys. But as I said before, she's won the big one now. Hopefully, she can stop being treated like an underrated genius who hasn't got her flowers and maybe start hyping up Gaga for her long-awaited AOTY win now, considering she's been nominated almost as many times but never won (and got completely snubbed for ASIB).