Chaos™️ on Wikipedia over MAYHEM’s Lead

[LG2008 4,750]

Disease is the lead, DWAS is a buzz single that somehow (it being a mega hit) ended up in the album 

Edited January 30 by LG2008

[StarstruckIllusion 52,278]

DWAS is the lead idc

Stream Fadacadabra on 02/02 

[monstertoronto 9,425]

4 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

The fan-driven studious editor’s of Gaga’s Wikipedia entries are at WAR

They cannot collectively decide whether Die With A Smile should be officially certified as the lead single or not. 

The page got locked and the girls are fighting!!

Currently they’re erasing Smash with a Smile as a single all together despite Gaga and many outlets saying it’s the lead.

⭐️ They’re also fighting over whether Mayhem is her 7th studio album. They’re calling it her 8th and idk why 😭

It’s an injustice!!

 

They should be following Gaga’s lead on this.  If Gaga herself has repeatedly, overtly, constantly, referred to this album as LG7, who are random strangers on the internet to overrule the artist and insist on calling it LG8. 

And maybe there was a shift in strategy to leverage DWAS success to help the album’s metrics. That’s excellent strategy. Why do the “purists” get to decide what counts as a single due to their own take or analysis. They’re just onlookers like everyone else. Respect the artist’s wishes! 

[Controversiaga 10,312]

4 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

and when Gaga and the media start referring to Abracadabra as the third single, then what? 

Are you gonna burn your stan card only to renew it 5 weeks later when the album scalps you? 

??? 
I never said nothing about what single is what number

Disease is the lead single

dwas is a single that got slapped on last minute 

so yeah sure Abra or whichever would be a 3rd single , I’m not saying that’s not gonna be the case

[lilboyblue 4,925]

My two cents. I think it's fair to say:

"Disease" - lead single of MAYHEM
"Die With a Smile - is A single from MAYHEM
"Abracadabra" - third single 

And MAYHEM is Gaga's 7th studio album, full stop. Harlequin should be considered a side project.

[Wet Fire 7,153]

This BuT iT'S a BRunO SoNG is getting way too out of hand

- Gaga didn't approach Bruno

- Gaga's second verse has been VIRAL for months. It's literally the part of the song I hear in all the reels on Facebook.

- Critics have PRAISED Gaga's vocal runs in the song

- Gaga has like EIGHT songs doing 800k+ streams daily. 4 of them close to or more than 1M. Not even considering DWAS

- Bruno and the producers have RAVED about how Gaga came to the studio and shaped the song within hours on the spot in a single session, it's like nothing they've seen before or with any other artist.

 

Edited January 30 by Wet Fire

[llemesm 1,463]

why is this so important? who cares what is the lead single? I'm asking it seriously. 

We only know that Die with a smile is part of the album, that Gaga as owner of the song decided to include it, project-wise, promo-wise, album value-wise. I don't understand why is this a subject of discussion. She's not stealing anything from anyone. 

[Jester 6,302]

The way I see it, DWAS is the first single, but Disease is the lead lol

Anyhow, the next one is going to be the third

[dit 46,333]

this is upsetting. they need to make DWAS as the lead because on Variety they are saying Abra is the THIRD single meaning DWAS is 1st and Disease is 2nd. Cant they use that as the source to make it official on wiki?

[Luke78619 23,259]

Personally, if I were to discuss “which lead single is the best” then I would be considering Disease and not DWAS

its similar to how Katy’s lead for Smile was Daisies but she had a few other singles before it and I seem to remember NRO being stated as NOT the lead for her album before it came out 

it’s not that deep, it’s not worth fighting each other over 

[StrawberryBlond 14,633]

The Weeknd just released his new album today and Dancing In The Flames, which was billed as his lead single, has been scrapped, most likely due to underperformance and as the second single did better, it's now acting as the first single so it can be said that the lead single off this album went top ten. So, if a song that's officially announced as the lead can be removed from the eventual album due to bad reception, a song that was officially announced as a standalone single can be reclassified as a lead due to amazing reception. And at least we've known for quite a while now that DWAS is going to be on Mayhem. Abel gave his fans no warning until the literal day of release because he didn't put the tracklist out beforehand. There's also a physical edition of his album that has half the tracks in a different order. I think it's safe to say that in this day and age, anything goes. Just roll with it. Wikipedia really needs to get with the times and just accept that DWAS is the new lead. Hopefully, when the album's properly out, it'll all be cleared up officially. 

On 1/30/2025 at 1:34 AM, LOVEDRUG said:

Well, yes and no. Obviously if Gaga herself had labelled it as the lead single, I don't think anybody would dispute that fact, even if fans wouldn't be happy about it. But all of these terms are generally pretty fluid, and outside of definitively being able to say that Die with a Smile is the first single chronologically, it's hard to objectively apply labels to it.

It's why there's such conflict about whether or not The Fame Monster is a full studio album. Because going by most quantitative definitions (length, number of tracks, promotion) it would be counted as one. But because of a bunch of articles and industry reports from 2009 that label it as an extended play, many Wikipedia editors still cling on to that fact.

Ultimately, regardless of whether Die with a Smile should be considered to be the lead single, Disease has explicitly been referred to as such. I don't see why it makes sense to overrule a definitive, objective fact in order to preserve an unclear, undetermined, ungrounded premise. As proven by the waters around The Fame Monster being murky, most of the time, a 'lead single' is 'whatever the artist says is the lead single', just as 'an album' is 'whatever the artist says is an album'.

TFM is totally an album. If it was released in the 80's, when 8-track albums were totally normal, no one would've batted an eye. It's just that it had become common for the last 20 years or so to make albums of 10 tracks or more, so it was seen as an EP/re-issue because it was so short. It didn't help that a lot of countries only sold it as a package deal with TF, so it further pushed the narrative that it was a re-release. People need to open up their minds and realise that the difference between an EP and album is more to do with overall length than number of tracks if you go by the official definition. And xxxtentacion really changed the game when it came to what's considered an album by putting out an "album" called 17 that is classed an a "album" by Wikipedia that is just under 22 minutes long. But it's composed of 11 tracks including an interlude of less than 1 minute. His posthumous album, Skins, is just under 20 minutes long and 10 tracks including a 31 second interlude. If those clear EPs are called albums by Wikipedia, TFM is sure as hell an album. I guess when a gen z singer does it, they get it. *eye roll*

You can read my post above for how I regard the single situation. Gaga is far and away the only artist to do this. It's not hard to figure out when other artists do it. It's just hard for fans to wrap their head around the concept that Gaga made a "bling not the music" decision driven by commercial motives. Forgetting that when you're on a major label, these things need to be done. 

[CautiousLurker 18,766]

Gheys, neither Disease nor DWAS are lead singles 

Idk how y'all forgot about this, but in order to keep things fresh and switch things up, Gaga decided to start the album rollout with the LAST single, so DWAS is the 4th single (potentially 5th), Slaysease is 3rd (potentially 4th), and Abracaslaybra is gonna be single nr2 (maybe 3), and the lead is yet to drop, potentially after album's release.

Someone put that in her wiki pls thnx 

Edited February 1 by CautiousLurker

[bionic 48,458]

14 hours ago, CautiousLurker said:

Gheys, neither Disease nor DWAS are lead singles 

Idk how y'all forgot about this, but in order to keep things fresh and switch things up, Gaga decided to start the album rollout with the LAST single, so DWAS is the 4th single (potentially 5th), Slaysease is 3rd (potentially 4th), and Abracaslaybra is gonna be single nr2 (maybe 3), and the lead is yet to drop, potentially after album's release.

Someone put that in her wiki pls thnx 

its a reverse warholian expedition

normies just lack the brain capacity to understand this big brain move

[CautiousLurker 18,766]

1 hour ago, bionic said:

its a reverse warholian expedition

normies just lack the brain capacity to understand this big brain move

SOMEONE FINALLY GOT EXPEDITION CORRECTLY 
My efforts of annoyingly correcting people are finally paying off 

[PartySick 154,785]

On 1/29/2025 at 6:21 PM, Controversiaga said:

It’s a major sellout , cop out to claim that DWAS is the lead single

The song was never intended to be on her album. She said so herself.

it was thrown on last minute due to its success, giving the album some guaranteed front loaded HIGH numbers and giving the album a smash hit- since the ACTUAL lead was not as lucky.

disease is the lead whether anybody likes it or not.

Absolutely this. I refuse to acknowledge DWAS as even being a part of Mayhem based on principle alone, idc what anyone says, even Gaga  

It belongs on that album as much as TIHTY or The Cure belongs on Joanne or HMH belongs on Chromatica.

That is to say NOT ALL ALL. And especially not for such garbage reasons.