Official Charts Thread

[tyler k 5,290]

3 hours ago, lilboyblue said:

\SZA & Sabrina Carpenter deluxe drops... among others — Abracadabra is still inside the Top 10 most streamed songs globally on Spotify.

What a shame.

both of those deluxe drops were nothing burgers so i dont think you need to worry nor care about those lol 

[monketsharona 65,604]

Talking about Deluxe, I really hope Gaga will release one later this year with few additional tracks from MAYHEM. Always great way recently to keep the audience focus even after your era is already running for some time

[Naufri 7,299]

1 hour ago, Economy said:

They are different enough especially globally. 

 

Taking the same artist isnt proof of anything. U can literally perform differently years later, music careers are like that

 

It was rare for songs to get much more than 6M maybe 7M in 2020. Now top songs crack 10M pretty often

 

That is not a small difference. Thats like a 40% or more difference

 

Abra is doing well. But i still find comparing it to 2020 apples to oranges. The same number doesnt equal the same impact as before. More ppl were still using youtube and stuff especially in developing countries in areas such as south america and Asia (where on top of that Gaga is bigger than some other domestic US domestic artists)

It makes sense to compare an artist with itself as long as that artist was #1 in 2020 and #1 again in 2025 with around 12% more streams. 

I can see that we have biggest peaks now (again due the expansion of Spotify to Asia and LATAM switching from YT to Spotify) but I don't see the "Apples to oranges" reasoning. 

Blinding lights had it's peak in 2020 with 13.7 millions and that would still be an impressive peak in 2025. Beyonce debuted #1 in 2024 with a much much lower figure than that.

[moonsago 6,813]

2 hours ago, Economy said:

Lol fine if it makes u happy to compare but it makes absolutely no sense. Ur talkong apples to oranges and trying to make an apples to apples comparison then using that as an argument to drag ppl who wish it charted higher for that reaskn

 

I for one am not going to compare my 2025 income salary to how good it would have been if i earned that when I started working in 2011.

 

At the very least if u wanna make comparisons to ROM, dont use that arugument to tell ppl like me were crazy when we think its doing pretty good but not totally smashing as of now cuz to me that argument is like rehiring someone after 15 years and telling them "what? Im paying you $1 more, its more than last time". But it literally isnt

I am literally not dragging anyone or calling anyone crazy, it’s difficult through text message to tell one’s attitude but I thought starting off my replay with ‘babes’ would let you know that my response was not a drag at all but in good fun. I was not coming for you. Your response is still not convincing me. Also, I never said it was smashing nor acted like it was nor came for anyone who didn’t act like it was. I always said that it’s a hit for what kind of song it is in this current musical landscape, and how somehow it still manages to outperform ROM, which wasn’t the SMASH hit you think it was, not even when it came out. So you acting like Abra outdoing it ( even with the context I provided previously ) is such an insane and impossible idea, is overstretch. It’s definitely possible and it’s definitely happening, at least for now. We’ll see in the long run. 

Edited Saturday at 08:07 PM by moonsago

[gemein3 1,169]

Driving and Z100 here in NYC announced Abra as the most requested song before playing. 

[DesertWolf 45,153]

17 minutes ago, pratz said:

this is literally such a RARE figure for a western artist to pull off in 2024. LET THAT SINK IN. Queen of Youtube Indeed.

to put into a better perspective, Ari's videos of the Eternal Sunshine era had even weaker first month numbers than what Abracadabra is aiming to have in its first 15 days. It will even pass the music video of The Boy Is Mine tomorrow, despite Gaga's YT account having less than half of the subs Ari has... 

[whoresup 2,002]

Radio is picking up and promo will kick off soon, I think we will see the song perform well over the next few weeks particularly album release. 

[JustJames 860]

3 hours ago, Economy said:

Lol fine if it makes u happy to compare but it makes absolutely no sense. Ur talkong apples to oranges and trying to make an apples to apples comparison then using that as an argument to drag ppl who wish it charted higher for that reaskn

 

I for one am not going to compare my 2025 income salary to how good it would have been if i earned that when I started working in 2011.

 

At the very least if u wanna make comparisons to ROM, dont use that arugument to tell ppl like me were crazy when we think its doing pretty good but not totally smashing as of now cuz to me that argument is like rehiring someone after 15 years and telling them "what? Im paying you $1 more, its more than last time". But it literally isnt

It’s frustrating to watch the same subset of fans pushing the “Gaga isn’t capable of a solo hit” narrative 2 weeks ago once again hiding behind “honesty” and “objectivity” when they’re simply moving the goalpost and holding Gaga to a different set of standards.

“Spotify has grown!” is a weak argument, but at least research the #’s and apply a factor to the songs. Regardless, it’s dishonest to ignore dozens of variables that impact whether more users would translate into more streams for Abracadabra. In other words, it’s absurd to act like every 1 new Spotify user = 1 more user who exposed to Gaga’s new music and willing to give it a listen.

Listening behavior, genre preferences, etc. all change with more users, making this “objective” argument moot. RIAA and Billboard haven’t recalibrated their formulas to diminish the value of a stream based solely on platform adaptation. I’ll take their word over yours.

TL;DR = Context is needed to compare any set of metrics; but, 45M in week 2 is >20% more than what Texas Hold Em and yes, and? did (37M each) in early 2024. No PHD needed to see it’s doing great - just enjoy the ride. 😊

Edited Saturday at 08:52 PM by JustJames

[Noah 26,753]

7 minutes ago, Naufri said:

Blinding lights had it's peak in 2020 with 13.7 millions and that would still be an impressive peak in 2025. Beyonce debuted #1 in 2024 with a much much lower figure than that.

Yeah, the Songs that hit +10 Million daily are worldwide smash hits and they're rare. Just cause it happened to Kendrick after something big like the Superbowl and to DWAS and APT, doesn't mean it happens often or is a common occurrence for new releases. Abracadabra being stable above 5 Million daily streams is impressive. Compare that to Espresso, which had its highest streams day at 8 Million or Good Luck Babe, which never even crossed 6 Million daily streams - both still being massive hits of the last year... we need to put numbers into perspective.

[Economy 48,181]

9 minutes ago, JustJames said:

It’s frustrating to watch the same subset of fans pushing the “Gaga isn’t capable of a solo hit” narrative 2 weeks ago once again hiding behind “honesty” and “objectivity” when they’re simply moving the goalpost and holding Gaga to a different set of standards.

“Spotify has grown!” is a weak argument, but at least research the #’s and apply a factor to the songs. Regardless, it’s dishonest to ignore dozens of variables that impact whether more users would translate into more streams for Abracadabra. In other words, it’s absurd to act like every 1 new Spotify user = 1 more user who exposed to Gaga’s new music and willing to give it a listen.

Listening behavior, genre preferences, etc. all change with more users, making this “objective” argument moot. RIAA and Billboard haven’t recalibrated their formulas to diminish the value of a stream based solely on platform adaptation. I’ll take their word over yours.

TL;DR = Context is needed to compare any set of metrics; but, 45M in week 2 is >20% more than what Texas Hold Em and yes, and? did (37M each) in early 2024. No PHD needed to see it’s doing great.

Firat of all, I never said Gaga "couldnt" get another solo hit. At best thats twisting my words

 

#2 billboard doesnt tweet the formula constantly, of course numbers change overtime and the formula only changes occasionally.

 

#3 yeah it did more than texas hold them. Whos calling it a flop anyway? I dont get what texas hold them has to do with saying spotify usage has increased in the last 5 years and so comparing numbers side by side is apples to oranges

 

#4 "its absurb to act like every 1 new Spotify user = 1 more user who exposed to Gaga’s new music and willing to give it a listen." Is a silly statement at best. Who said each new user = 1 more listener to Gaga? How is that even the point? More general usage in general will raise streams on the platform. U dont have to have each new user being a gaga listner to have that effect

 

Jesus im not calling Abra a flop. Just saying the direct comparison to a song from 5 years ago is not apples to apples. Literally all im saying and its not even remotely farfetched

 

 

[Economy 48,181]

26 minutes ago, moonsago said:

 ( even with the context I provided previously ) is such an insane and impossible idea, is overstretch. It’s definitely possible and it’s definitely happening, at least for now. We’ll see in the long run. 

I can at least agree with this part. I think the potential is there to be bigger (maybe). Lets see

[moonsago 6,813]

13 minutes ago, JustJames said:

It’s frustrating to watch the same subset of fans pushing the “Gaga isn’t capable of a solo hit” narrative 2 weeks ago once again hiding behind “honesty” and “objectivity” when they’re simply moving the goalpost and holding Gaga to a different set of standards.

“Spotify has grown!” is a weak argument, but at least research the #’s and apply a factor to the songs. Regardless, it’s dishonest to ignore dozens of variables that impact whether more users would translate into more streams for Abracadabra. In other words, it’s absurd to act like every 1 new Spotify user = 1 more user who exposed to Gaga’s new music and willing to give it a listen.

Listening behavior, genre preferences, etc. all change with more users, making this “objective” argument moot. RIAA and Billboard haven’t recalibrated their formulas to diminish the value of a stream based solely on platform adaptation. I’ll take their word over yours.

TL;DR = Context is needed to compare any set of metrics; but, 45M in week 2 is >20% more than what Texas Hold Em and yes, and? did (37M each) in early 2024. No PHD needed to see it’s doing great.

So well said, Spotify growing as a platform does not necessarily mean all artists will grow with it, as the platform becomes more popular in other regions, those consumers don’t necessarily become new consumers of every artist on Spotify therefore a rise in streams MUST be expected for everyone across the board, including Gaga. I’m a kpop fan and saw how Spotify became a major platform for kpop artists after 2020. Just because now Spotify attracts kpop fans as well, that doesn’t mean they will also now engage with Gaga too. And you know who proved this point best? Bruno! He collabed with Rose and managed to enter the kpop bubble, making him unlock new peaks in monthly listeners because of those new regions and groups of people. And yet APT is still did not outdo DWAS for long. So this simple argument that a bigger platform should equal more streams period leaves out room of any nuance. 10+ daily streams ‘smash’ hits Economy expects are still very rare, and even the biggest hits of the past year didn’t touch those numbers but did ones closer to what Abra pulled. 

[Economy 48,181]

32 minutes ago, Naufri said:

It makes sense to compare an artist with itself as long as that artist was #1 in 2020 and #1 again in 2025 with around 12% more streams. 

I can see that we have biggest peaks now (again due the expansion of Spotify to Asia and LATAM switching from YT to Spotify) but I don't see the "Apples to oranges" reasoning. 

Blinding lights had it's peak in 2020 with 13.7 millions and that would still be an impressive peak in 2025. Beyonce debuted #1 in 2024 with a much much lower figure than that.

I guess we can have different perspectives. Mine is still that if overall usage increased, the exact comparison is not apples to apples

 

But then im also that person thats gonna calculate inflation every year to see how my "real" wage value compares to last year because to me the nominal number can not be compared to real value

 

So thats the lens i view these types of things

[Economy 48,181]

7 minutes ago, moonsago said:

So well said, Spotify growing as a platform does not necessarily mean all artists will grow with it, as the platform becomes more popular in other regions, those consumers don’t necessarily become new consumers of every artist on Spotify therefore a rise in streams MUST be expected for everyone across the board, including Gaga. I’m a kpop fan and saw how Spotify became a major platform for kpop artists after 2020. Just because now Spotify attracts kpop fans as well, that doesn’t mean they will also now engage with Gaga too. And you know who proved this point best? Bruno! He collabed with Rose and managed to enter the kpop bubble, making him unlock new peaks in monthly listeners because of those new regions and groups of people. And yet APT is still did not outdo DWAS for long. So this simple argument that a bigger platform should equal more streams period leaves out room of any nuance. 10+ daily streams ‘smash’ hits Economy expects are still very rare, and even the biggest hits of the past year didn’t touch those numbers but did ones closer to what Abra pulled. 

I understandand that depending which countries and groups of people adopted spotify at the fastest rate in the last few years is gonna impact which artists and genres see the greatest increase and its not gonna be an equal ratio for everyone

 

But come on, with millions of new users thats bound to make a difference for almost everyone

 

I very clearly recall how big of a deal it was that ROM hit 6M in 2020 because it was relatively close to the highest most song got. Not a record I know but it wasnt ofteb songs surpassed that until then

 

Now there literally always a song on spotify surpassing 6M, its day to day norm

 

So I still stand by the opinion that the increase in adoption in the last 5 years is too significant to make a flat direct comparison like that. Assuming equal level of popularity for a song, it should translate to more spotify streams now even if the exact increase relative to other artists is impossible to calculate

Edited Saturday at 08:43 PM by Economy

[Psyduck 1,315]

Abra is a hit. It obviously hasn't peak yet. Big debuts are big for instant high peaks but longevity is better now esp for accumulating points and year end charts. 

 

It is pointless to compare it to or upheld our standard to DWAS. DWAS have both - peak and longevity but this has both Gaga and Bruno's name on it and it literally is the most GP friendly ballad right now. Abra, a dark pop dance song, doing 5m+ per day and peaking at #2 with 9m+ streams is an overperformance - only Taylor could pull this numbers (or even higher) so let's just celebrate Abra's numbers y'all