Ethel Cain supports killing CEOs

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Just now, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Almost the entire world is at a crossroads. We're seeing a particularly violent time in history start to repeat itself. The working class is largely suffering. The ruling class is consolidating power and resources. 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but these are the makings of revolution and there haven't been too many big ones without a decent portion of the population deciding that violence may be the path of least resistance. 

Not to mention we just saw a largely non-violent revolution attempt get quashed just a few years ago without any major progress. I think that radicalized a lot of the younger generation and I can't blame them for it. 

Well pray for Emmanuel and Brigitte Macron in France. Last time a revolution happened here Louis XVI and Marie Antoine got they head cut off 

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1 hour ago, faysalaaa said:

you can unite on changing the entire system and mass protest together. But everyone is lazy and selfish, and they dont want to do the hard work, they just want to support murder on twitter while they literally do nothing.

You're talking about some of the same people that went out to march and protest during a global pandemic for civil rights. They organized and got collective action going around the world. They aren't lazy; they were beaten into submission. They were gassed and shot at, jailed, infiltrated and framed, given fines, monitored by the government, called terrorists by the most powerful messaging campaigns in the world, etc.

People are scared to act. They were shown just how easily the people at the top can ruin their lives for the crime of demanding to keep those lives at a routine traffic stop, a bodega, or walking in a local neighborhood. It's gonna take either a lot time to forget about the possible repercussions or a big spark to get people willing to risk their lives and well-being again. 

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40 minutes ago, Bebe said:

People celebrate the French Revolution and the American Revolution. Nelson Mandela believed violence was necessary to end apartheid and white minority rule. Political violence is nothing new and has led to both positive and negative outcomes.

You understand the support of figures such as Luigi, but then what? People have spent decades being pacified with very limited concessions, if any, only to have those few concessions threatened.

What do you do when you are struggling to survive, you have tried to work within the rules of the system to make changes but it’s amounted to nothing?

The point you made regarding corruption and crimes, I believe, is wrong but it’s also irrelevant. Yes there are political divisions and there has also been significant displays of political violence from Republicans when they attempted a coup on the capitol and from Democrats when they have rallied around a suspected killer.

Americans are struggling and unable to afford housing, groceries and basic healthcare. The number of homelessness has jumped by 18%, The number of families that have reported skipping meals for financial reasons is at 36%. In 2020, the number of U.S. campaigns on GoFundMe related to medical causes—about 200,000—was 25% higher than the number of such campaigns on the site in 2011.

Americans have a complete lack of trust in Government. As of April 2024, 22% of Americans say they trust the government in Washington to do what is right “just about always” (2%) or “most of the time” (21%). This was among the lowest measures in nearly seven decades of polling and is bi-partisan.

We have already gone through some of the reasons I believe are the causes of this, but my question is:

If not political violence, then what is the solution?

People have protested, they have volunteered, they have signed petitions, they have voted and they still do not believe the government is representing their interests.

Political violence is going to continue to occur without significant reform. People being left homeless, hungry and without access to medically necessary health care is an act of state violence and as long as the powerful few subjugate the people to this violence and/or turn a blind eye there is going to be retaliation.

Again, nobody WANTS political violence but it’s the current, unequal and oppressive systems in place that are inflaming violence from both sides of the political aisle.

I dont see anyone protesting to make change, all I see if people making excuses for Democrats, and attacking anyone that doesnt agree with Democrats. So how can you be surprised the corrupted system is still going? The only time I saw real protest against the system was when Bernie Sanders was doing his rallies, but he ended his movement because he was scared Trump was gonna win, and told everyone to vote Hilary.

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4 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

You're talking about some of the same people that went out to march and protest during a global pandemic for civil rights. They organized and got collective action going around the world. They aren't lazy; they were beaten into submission. They were gassed and shot at, jailed, given fines, monitored by the government, called terrorists by the most powerful messaging campaigns in the world, etc.

People are scared to act. It's gonna take either a lot time to forget about the possible repercussions or a big spark to get people willing to risk their lives and well-being again. 

Well thats how change will comes though, its better than killing people

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31 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

Well thats how change will comes though, its better than killing people

But what I'm saying is change didn't come when they tried. If marching and sitting down at restaurant counters and the front of busses were the only actions being done in the 60's, the civil rights movement wouldn't have been nearly as successful if at all. Not to mention those that did engage exclusively in non-violent protest were still hated, targeted by the government, and killed. 

This isn't me calling for killing in the name of change at this moment; this is me recognizing and respecting that when people in despair are taught that conversation and handholding aren't going to solve their problems, it's not illogical for them to deduce that more drastic measures may be the way out of their suffering. 

The same way I'm not condoning killing abusive husbands, but I'm not going to sit here and vilify the wives who used poison to get out of their marriages before no-fault divorce became available. 

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4 hours ago, howsAnnie said:

Lol no, the life of somebody who is indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths and millions of people being miserable can and should objectively not hold as much value to us as a species as the life of an average person contributing to society in any meaningful way.

It's like utilitarian vs. deontological ethics, and the latter is nothing more than wishful thinking while the former holds the best possible outcome for the maximum amount of people.

Hitler had no right to live, and it would have been a good thing if the Luigis of his time would have done to him whatever was necessary to stop him before he could do any harm. It's exactly the unwillingness to act just because of this "every single life is equally precious, even when you're an evil massmurderer"-bullsh*t that has and will continue to enable fascists to rise to the top and take your rights away while you deem it unnecessary to come off that high ethical horse you're on.

no, you're debating an argument that i never made, i didn't made or even insinuated the ethical or philosophical argument that every single human life holds the same value for society or is equally precious bullshit as a way to condemn murder, Ethel argument was that it's effective to kill CEOs becase from their own subjectivity, thats where it hurts the most for them, which does not make any sense since every single person most valuable thing will always be their own life lol, taking that out is where it hurts the most for everyone, rich people wont hurt more when they are killed lmao, it will be the same pain for them and for their close people. now do i feel bad for them? no, i dont see them as equally valluable to people who care how their actions might affect the underprivileged people that are just as humans as them, i know that these people have made desitions and taken paths with their lives that are callous and unforgiveable which make them responsible of the pain and anger that people direct at them in any form.

But murder is simply not an effective tactic to enact change, just from a sociological standpoint. Do you really think that if somebody assasinated Hitler as he was raising to power that would've change anything? facist ideals were brewing all over Germany before the third reich or hitler, and as he amassed his big group of loyal suppoters and more power, what an assaination would have caused is them turning him into a martyr and one of his second in command to replace him and stablish and even more severe, callous and horrendous regime as a way to retaliate for the murder. so arguably, most probably it would've turn worse.

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38 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

I dont see anyone protesting to make change, all I see if people making excuses for Democrats, and attacking anyone that doesnt agree with Democrats. So how can you be surprised the corrupted system is still going? The only time I saw real protest against the system was when Bernie Sanders was doing his rallies, but he ended his movement because he was scared Trump was gonna win, and told everyone to vote Hilary.

In the last decade of politics there have been numerous protests about some of the issues I’ve discussed and more.

Two of the most prominent protests over the past decade:

50,000,000 People protested in the 2020–2023 United States racial unrest protests. That was related to racial injustice and had broader themes regarding law enforcement, police brutality and an unfair justice system.

1,200,000-2,000,000 People protested in the March for our Lives protests against gun violence and for gun control in 2017.

Other examples of activism include the charity created RIP Medical Debt/Undue Medical Debt to bring attention to and support forgiving medical debt.

There have been the fast-food worker strikes, the Amazon strikes, Occupy the SEC, Strike Debt, the largest health care strike in U.S. history was in 2023, the 2017 demonstrations supporting the ACA and opposing it being repealed, 2019 climate strikes, and a number of local protests.

There have been a number of pretty significant US protests over the past decade of politics and beyond with very little progress. 

 

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not gonna listen to her music but as usual she queened out 

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And she's absolutely right. Everything that's wrong in this world is due to the greed of a tiny percentage of the population. Nothing has ever been or will ever be achieved by being nice or trying to legislate or playing by the system rules.

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****in commies

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11 minutes ago, Miky said:

****in commies

The highest form of compliment 

[Sarah H 2,886]

Gross. 

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1 hour ago, MadArchitect said:

But murder is simply not an effective tactic to enact change, just from a sociological standpoint.

So I don't want to get drawn into debating whether or not killing CEOs is right or not.

But from a political sociological standpoint & a history sociological standpoint I don't agree with you. 

Almost all major changes in long lived socieities throughout history have come as a result of political violence including acts of murder or at least the advocation of it. And often then, after the movement has faded away or achieved its main aims this is sanitised out of the history or at least massively diminished.

Suffragists & Suffragettes. One was a peaceful campaign group, one engaged in fire bombings and civil disobedience. 

MLK vs Malcom X. I have a dream vs the Bullet or the Ballot. Black Panthers vs the NAACP. 

Sinn Fein & the IRA/the DUP & the UVF. 

The Petrograd Soviet & the Provisional Government of Russia.

Nelson Mandela, the ANC & MK.

All of these were successful in bringing about sociological change. All were movements characterised by peaceful protestors and violent activists. 

And you'll never ever get a unanimous decision on whether or not the violent actions were right. 

 

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3 hours ago, River said:

Yeah but ya’ll are fighting them behind the screens lol

The US is going downhill and ya’ll just complain about it on social media and gaga forums 

you don’t just wait for the next to Luigi to do their thing and then cheer them up with a gif 

I wish young millennials and gen z had more enthusiasm to make a change.

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58 minutes ago, HelloHangoverz said:

River: "If I see ANY leaks on this site bitches is getting cut. Do you know this is ILLEGAL?!"

Also River: "Ima leave a loaded Glock and a balaclava in this Adidas holdall. Warren Buffet leaves that hotel in five minutes. Whatever happens, happens"

U know me so well