Ethel Cain supports killing CEOs

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11 minutes ago, MadArchitect said:

gurl no, if anything this can backfire horribly, it's basically trying to provoke a war, the change your enacting is radicalizing even more the rich elites to the far right, facism and neoliberalism, fear tactics wont ever change minds, it only breeds more hatred and resentment, she says hit them where they most hurt but taking the life out of somebody hurts the same no matter who they are, how much money they have or their political ideals lmao this makes no sense at all

Lol no, the life of somebody who is indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths and millions of people being miserable can and should objectively not hold as much value to us as a species as the life of an average person contributing to society in any meaningful way.

It's like utilitarian vs. deontological ethics, and the latter is nothing more than wishful thinking while the former holds the best possible outcome for the maximum amount of people.

Hitler had no right to live, and it would have been a good thing if the Luigis of his time would have done to him whatever was necessary to stop him before he could do any harm. It's exactly the unwillingness to act just because of this "every single life is equally precious, even when you're an evil massmurderer"-bullsh*t that has and will continue to enable fascists to rise to the top and take your rights away while you deem it unnecessary to come off that high ethical horse you're on.

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25 minutes ago, howsAnnie said:

Hitler had no right to live, and it would have been a good thing if the Luigis of his time would have done to him whatever was necessary to stop him before he could do any harm. It's exactly the unwillingness to act just because of this "every single life is equally precious, even when you're an evil massmurderer"-bullsh*t that has and will continue to enable fascists to rise to the top and take your rights away while you deem it unnecessary to come off that high ethical horse you're on.

Listen. 

I'm against the death penalty and all that, but......

Tea. 

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59 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

This is a delusional way to solve problems. Once you normalize violence in society, it wont end by killing CEOS, and you will have oppositions that will also justify killing you. Also, the "good" people doing the killing arent going to go back to being normal human beings.

I think you're missing the point. It's about striking fear into those who feel like they're above the law and able to line their own pockets by exploiting the people they are elected or paid to protect, all without having to expect any consequences for their horrible actions.

I don't see how your argument makes much sense, because they already ARE KILLING innocent people. I - and many others who observe the current shift from democracy to fascism, whose lives are dependent on an affordable and just healthcare system, who fear for their life or livelihood because their governments do not protect them from discrimination or acts of violence etc. - already have to live in fear every single day! That's the difference: when a large scale uprising finally does happen, the 0.1% responsible for our crumbling democracies will have so much more to lose. It's about curing a sick and rotten system, not about throwing the first stone, because that ship has long sailed. Lmao

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15 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Listen. 

I'm against the death penalty and all that, but......

Tea. 

Me too, especially in a working democracy. I have a deep seated aversion to violence in general. But was the French Revolution necessary for France to become a democracy? And did its benefits outweigh its obvious failings in the long run? Both yes, I guess.

I wouldn't personally want to live through it, if I had the choice. But I'm not sure I want to live through whatever our society is currently turning into either, if things don't drastically change. 

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24 minutes ago, howsAnnie said:

Me too, especially in a working democracy. I have a deep seated aversion to violence in general. But was the French Revolution necessary for France to become a democracy? And did its benefits outweigh its obvious failings in the long run? Both yes, I guess.

I wouldn't personally want to live through it, if I had the choice. But I'm not sure I want to live through whatever our society is currently turning into either, if things don't drastically change. 

If you're into reading, there's a play from the early 60's I'm working on putting up that analyzes this whole moral quandary through the lense of the French Revolution. Very dark, interesting, and has me thinking (necessarily) deeper into the meaning and necessity of violence as a means to an end. Obnoxiously long title, but it's usually shortened to Marat/Sade. 

I recommend it and can help you access it if you're interested 💜

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1 hour ago, faysalaaa said:

This is a delusional way to solve problems. Once you normalize violence in society, it wont end by killing CEOS, and you will have oppositions that will also justify killing you. Also, the "good" people doing the killing arent going to go back to being normal human beings.

I agree that political violence is not preferable and that we don’t want to normalise political violence against any political opponent. 

Political violence is never what anybody wants. They want the exact opposite - adequate healthcare, reductions in gun violence, a healthy environment and financial stability. Political violence, however, is an inevitability when the majority feel as if their basic needs are not being met adequately, their safety is not guaranteed and the inequality between the haves and have-nots continues to grow.

With that being said, your post does feel like a “slippery slope” fallacy. Using political violence against a privileged, elite class that is actively suppressing the voices of everyday Americans and oppressing everyday Americans does not equal using political violence in every situation where there is political disagreement.

There is a lack of trust in American institutions and it’s a trust that has been slowly eroding for a long time now. There is a distrust in the political branches of government, the judicial system and even the electoral process. This hasn’t necessarily been undeserved either.

We have seen billionaires like Trump avoid jail time or financial penalties for crimes committed while there are real case studies of every day citizens sentenced to 17 years in jail for half an ounce of marijuana. 

We have seen billionaires like Elon Musk buy massive social media companies and weaponise them to spread disinformation and propaganda by amplifying his voice and suppressing dissent in order to convince US, Australian, UK, European citizens to vote in ways aligned with his interests.

We have seen billionaires donate large amounts of money to candidates in National and State races to protect their financial  interests above the welfare of every day citizens and have it protected as free speech.

As a result of this for DECADES we have seen:

Enormous gun violence in the US when compared to other developed nations in times of peace while the NRA fund politicians.

We have seen people die or become bankrupt in the worlds largest economy because they cannot afford medically necessary procedures that have been denied by private insurance while insurance companies fund politicians.

We have seen people die or have their homes and communities destroyed by natural disasters intensified by the effects of climate change while big oil funds politicians.

We have seen people lose their homes, businesses and been laid off work while the banks responsible for providing loans they knew were predatory and irresponsible get bailed out with 0 charges brought against those responsible.

We have been talking about the influence of money in politics for decades, there have been protests and grassroot campaigns fighting for environment protections, change in healthcare, and in many cases there has been a consensus among Democrats and Republicans. What is the next step when your non-violent demonstrations and political activism is ignored?

At this point in time, people are more disillusioned than ever. They have tried to work within the rules of the system. They have voted, they have protested, they have signed petitions and volunteered. If this hasn’t worked, what now?

The reality is that this movement towards political violence has been brewing for a long time now and at this point people are feeling like it’s more “delusional” to think they can effect change by working within the rules of a system they believe (not without merit) is actively working against them.

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It's so refreshing and so exciting to see an actual radical queer outspoken artist speak so firmly and clearly against what is really destroying our planet, be it this or her outright support for Palestine 

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love her for this 

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52 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I agree that political violence is not preferable and that we don’t want to normalise political violence against any political opponent. 

Political violence is never what anybody wants. They want the exact opposite - adequate healthcare, reductions in gun violence, a healthy environment and financial stability. Political violence, however, is an inevitability when the majority feel as if their basic needs are not being met adequately, their safety is not guaranteed and the inequality between the haves and have-nots continues to grow.

With that being said, your post does feel like a “slippery slope” fallacy. Using political violence against a privileged, elite class that is actively suppressing the voices of everyday Americans and oppressing everyday Americans does not equal using political violence in every situation where there is political disagreement.

There is a lack of trust in American institutions and it’s a trust that has been slowly eroding for a long time now. There is a distrust in the political branches of government, the judicial system and even the electoral process. This hasn’t necessarily been undeserved either.

We have seen billionaires like Trump avoid jail time or financial penalties for crimes committed while there are real case studies of every day citizens sentenced to 17 years in jail for half an ounce of marijuana. 

We have seen billionaires like Elon Musk buy massive social media companies and weaponise them to spread disinformation and propaganda by amplifying his voice and suppressing dissent in order to convince US, Australian, UK, European citizens to vote in ways aligned with his interests.

We have seen billionaires donate large amounts of money to candidates in National and State races to protect their financial  interests above the welfare of every day citizens and have it protected as free speech.

As a result of this for DECADES we have seen:

Enormous gun violence in the US when compared to other developed nations in times of peace while the NRA fund politicians.

We have seen people die or become bankrupt in the worlds largest economy because they cannot afford medically necessary procedures that have been denied by private insurance while insurance companies fund politicians.

We have seen people die or have their homes and communities destroyed by natural disasters intensified by the effects of climate change while big oil funds politicians.

We have seen people lose their homes, businesses and been laid off work while the banks responsible for providing loans they knew were predatory and irresponsible get bailed out with 0 charges brought against those responsible.

We have been talking about the influence of money in politics for decades, there have been protests and grassroot campaigns fighting for environment protections, change in healthcare, and in many cases there has been a consensus among Democrats and Republicans. What is the next step when your non-violent demonstrations and political activism is ignored?

At this point in time, people are more disillusioned than ever. They have tried to work within the rules of the system. They have voted, they have protested, they have signed petitions and volunteered. If this hasn’t worked, what now?

The reality is that this movement towards political violence has been brewing for a long time now and at this point people are feeling like it’s more “delusional” to think they can effect change by working within the rules of a system they believe (not without merit) is actively working against them.

I agree with all this, which is why I said I understand blaming Luigi's violence on the system, but without us engaging in Luigi's political violence.

For example, im a Muslim Arab, and while I always said I understand why Hamas exist and did January 7th, that doesnt mean I support or celebrate Hamas or January 7th.

Another example is using the atomic bomb in Hiroshima, even if its politically justified and self sefence, its still evil and bad and nobody should celebrate it.

So yes, I understand where violence comes from, and I will never empathize with the oppressors, and ill support the oppressed, but ill still not engage in their violence.

I also believe the system is like this because this is how the people are. Nobody actually care about corruption and crimes, Democrats only complained about it when it was Trump, but before that they were okay with turning a blind eye.

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1 hour ago, howsAnnie said:

I think you're missing the point. It's about striking fear into those who feel like they're above the law and able to line their own pockets by exploiting the people they are elected or paid to protect, all without having to expect any consequences for their horrible actions.

I don't see how your argument makes much sense, because they already ARE KILLING innocent people. I - and many others who observe the current shift from democracy to fascism, whose lives are dependent on an affordable and just healthcare system, who fear for their life or livelihood because their governments do not protect them from discrimination or acts of violence etc. - already have to live in fear every single day! That's the difference: when a large scale uprising finally does happen, the 0.1% responsible for our crumbling democracies will have so much more to lose. It's about curing a sick and rotten system, not about throwing the first stone, because that ship has long sailed. Lmao

You can clearly see how even Republicans strongly agree with your support of murdering CEO's, so instead of asking for more murder, you can unite on changing the entire system and mass protest together. But everyone is lazy and selfish, and they dont want to do the hard work, they just want to support murder on twitter while they literally do nothing.

Would you be celebrating me if I murdered Kamala Harris for funding Israel Genocide? (Hypothetically if she became president). Are we gonna start normalizing killing people this way? How about I murder you for buying iPhones made by slave labors when you have other options?

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2 hours ago, LaLa said:

I mean CEOs very much *have* been killing us. Their policies kill people every single day, just as much as a bullet to the head would. They have normalized this in society, and it IS violence against us, and they are thrilled to justify it to earn a profit. 

And if it ends in normal, everyday people leading a violent uprising against the ruling class, well call me Ethel Cain because baby I'm ready 

 

Please read my comments above it also a response to you

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4 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

I agree with all this, which is why I said I understand blaming Luigi's violence on the system, but without us engaging in Luigi's political violence.

For example, im a Muslim Arab, and while I always said I understand why Hamas exist and did January 7th, that doesnt mean I support or celebrate Hamas or January 7th, infact ill go out of my way to condemn it.

Another example is using the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even if its politically justified and self sefense, its still evil and bad and nobody should celebrate it.

So yes, I understand where violence comes from, and I will never empathize with the oppressors, but I also do not support engaging in violence this way.

I also believe the system is like this because this is how the people are. Nobody actually care about corruption and crimes, Democrats only complained about it when it was Trump, but before that they were okay with turning a blind eye.

People celebrate the French Revolution and the American Revolution. Nelson Mandela believed violence was necessary to end apartheid and white minority rule. Political violence is nothing new and has led to both positive and negative outcomes.

You understand the support of figures such as Luigi, but then what? People have spent decades being pacified with very limited concessions, if any, only to have those few concessions threatened.

What do you do when you are struggling to survive, you have tried to work within the rules of the system to make changes but it’s amounted to nothing?

The point you made regarding corruption and crimes, I believe, is wrong but it’s also irrelevant. Yes there are political divisions and there has also been significant displays of political violence from Republicans when they attempted a coup on the capitol and from Democrats when they have rallied around a suspected killer.

Americans are struggling and unable to afford housing, groceries and basic healthcare. The number of homelessness has jumped by 18%, The number of families that have reported skipping meals for financial reasons is at 36%. In 2020, the number of U.S. campaigns on GoFundMe related to medical causes—about 200,000—was 25% higher than the number of such campaigns on the site in 2011.

Americans have a complete lack of trust in Government. As of April 2024, 22% of Americans say they trust the government in Washington to do what is right “just about always” (2%) or “most of the time” (21%). This was among the lowest measures in nearly seven decades of polling and is bi-partisan.

We have already gone through some of the reasons I believe are the causes of this, but my question is:

If not political violence, then what is the solution?

People have protested, they have volunteered, they have signed petitions, they have voted and they still do not believe the government is representing their interests.

Political violence is going to continue to occur without significant reform. People being left homeless, hungry and without access to medically necessary health care is an act of state violence and as long as the powerful few subjugate the people to this violence and/or turn a blind eye there is going to be retaliation.

Again, nobody WANTS political violence but it’s the current, unequal and oppressive systems in place that are inflaming violence from both sides of the political aisle.

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WTF with threads supporting murders 

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Yeah but ya’ll are fighting them behind the screens lol

The US is going downhill and ya’ll just complain about it on social media and gaga forums 

you don’t just wait for the next to Luigi to do their thing and then cheer them up with a gif 

I wish young millennials and gen z had more enthusiasm to make a change.

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26 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

WTF with threads supporting murders 

Almost the entire world is at a crossroads. We're seeing a particularly violent time in history start to repeat itself. The working class is largely suffering. The ruling class is consolidating power and resources. 

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but these are the makings of revolution and there haven't been too many big ones without a decent portion of the population deciding that violence may be the path of least resistance. 

Not to mention we just saw a largely non-violent revolution attempt get quashed just a few years ago without any major progress. I think that radicalized a lot of the younger generation looking for change and I can't blame them for it. 

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