Debunking CollabGa

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ASIB/Shallow was a huge moment in Gaga's career and would be in anyone's career. The idea that people might try to work it into some sort of negative is laughable.

Put it this way. Ask any artist would they prefer what Gaga achieved with ASIB/Shallow or three solo number 1 singles, and I don't think there'd be many takers for the singles.

And collabs in general ? They're fun, and they can produce great music, so collab away.

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It’s a non issue. I completely agree with OP but none of this needs to be said. Gaga’s music stands on its own merit. The fact that her collaborations are some of the most successful songs of all time is a testament to her talent and ability to meld with other artists in an organic and authentic way, and doesn’t use them as a tacky add on or for a remix after the fact like so many others do. 

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1 hour ago, Decodekid said:

nor is every collab she's done successful

Don't I know it #JusticeForJewelsNDrugs  

1 hour ago, Decodekid said:

Sure, coincidentally she has more #1s with features but it's not like her other hits weren't as close to peaking 

It's not a coincidence though?

Collabs, by their very nature, are the meeting of not only two artists but two fanbases and their joint GP appeal. With a proper push, most collabs are destined to be at least decent hits. If they're any good, that is  and considering the caliber artist Gaga is (all her music is good), pretty much any of her collabs could be at least moderate hits if they're given the single treatment complete with a mini-era, video, promo, etc.

An artist like Gaga is the best example of that 'cause her new single is sitting at #98 or whatever and her last album's lead peaked at, what, #5? Yet she scored a #1 from both with Ariana and Bruno for both albums (god I HATE that DWAS is on LG7, y'all don't understand how angry it makes me I stg )

Anyway, I guess I'm a little confused as to what you're arguing against 'cause I don't understand the defensiveness but I also don't understand the criticism in the first place.

Is it that she can't make a hit without someone else's name on the song? 'Cause that's just a stupid statement and it really isn't worth entertaining or debating against that idea  

Of course a collaboration with Ariana and Bruno will chart higher and get more streams than a solo Gaga song.

Of course the core song from a popular musical movie will chart higher/longer than a random rock ballad released out of that context.

It doesn't mean she can't make hits. For god's sake she's one of the best selling artists in history, anyone saying otherwise just isn't worth your time  

1 hour ago, Decodekid said:

Yes the movie played a huge role of it becoming a hit, she had a big platform to her advantage,  but I mentioned that musically speaking  it's technically Gaga's song, it's not like Bradley was the mastermind behind it like Bruno's involvement with DWAS. 

Well...yeah? It's a great song and in a weird way, ASIB was the promo that let it peak as high as it did and last as long as it has and ASIB's amazing soundtrack is one of the reasons why the movie is still well regarded. It's a classic 'cause they made a great song for a great movie.

Again, I don't really see what you're actually arguing against, I am confusion  

1 hour ago, Decodekid said:

Def agree, I'm also a bit frustrated regarding this rollout, hopefully things will be different once 2025 starts and DWAS peaks.  

I've lost all hope  

But I care about things other people don't and I've made peace with that  

LG7 will come and I'll be the kid in the corner trying to preserve my bad mood while secretly bopping

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2 hours ago, PartySick said:

But let's not sit here and pretend it wasn't Ariana's fanbase, the Blinks, Bruno's fanbase, and their respective GP appeal that made songs like ROM, Sour Candy, and DWAS huge  

but if this was the case, why wasn't Don't Call Me Angel huge?

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27 minutes ago, nATAH said:

but if this was the case, why wasn't Don't Call Me Angel huge?

'Cause it's a bad song?  

44 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Collabs, by their very nature, are the meeting of not only two artists but two fanbases and their joint GP appeal. With a proper push, most collabs are destined to be at least decent hits. If they're any good, that is

 

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2 minutes ago, PartySick said:

'Cause it's a bad song?  

 

i liked it

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Just now, nATAH said:

i liked it

And Joanne is my favorite Gaga album, nobody's perfect  

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"CollabGa"

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7 hours ago, Decodekid said:

As we're approaching our sixth illuminati renewal with DWAS, here are a few things to point out about collaborations 

1.  1-2 MAX 3 collaborations per album isn't even that high, even when you take into consideration a bunch of these aren't singles. 

2. We have no control over what goes 1 and what doesn't. Did Bad Romance reach #1?  Alejandro? Telephone? no, they could've though ! 

3. Fight me but Shallow is a solo song, its relevance and charting has nothing to do (musically) with Bradley   

4. In the past 10 years, it's been normalized to remix a song for it to chart, has Gaga ever done a remix to a previous single? no, they're genuine collabs. We've also seen interpolations, songs with +4 features, extreme sampling, covers, and nobody says anything. 

The whole argument is giving unemployed resentful millennial, or severely unemployed gen z who recently discovered Taylor Swift,  yapping on social media thinking they know a thing or two about pop music. Let's move on, bling not the music but our bling has QUALITY, half of y'all favs can't chart without 15 composers and their mothers, or 45 variants up our bussies, long live DWAS.

 

This is great

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“No solo hit”????

she shaped the frickin pop industry in the late 00s and 2010s, refreshed what it meant to be a popstar in that you could be iconic but in a smart way which is empowering for women and empowering for the artist… critical work for LGBT community.. 

hits come and go, charts forever change… cultural impact and versatile talent is forever… 

the fact she has worked with so many artists from different genres… Beyoncé, Ariana to Tony Bennet to Rolling Stones to BLACKPINK to Elton John to Florence Welch to Bruno…. The celine dion, John legend, Andrea Boceli moment during covid…… We’ve experienced truly special moments through Gaga collabs, bringing talent together, she can really do ANYTHING 

Edited December 31, 2024 by GerMonsterNotta

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Literally no other fanbase cares if their fave has a lot of collab-based hits. They're just happy that they're charting well, remaining cool and relevant and will have label support to put out an album and tour. Collabing is no longer the preserve of the hip hop community, every genre does it now, pop does it as a matter of course. Gaga came straight out the gate with a bunch of solo hits, as lots of of new, young artists with massive push tend to do. We've seen that over the last few years with Billie, Olivia, Chappell, Sabrina, etc., but with time, they'll start doing more collabs, mark my words. The public only has so much attention span and eventually, they'll want something a bit more than solo every time and you'll have to branch out and work with someone newer and younger to get those streams up. No one is immune to it, no one. This criticism of focusing too much on collabs is aimed almost exclusively at women and Gaga specifically. No one cares if Justin, Drake, Abel, Bruno, etc does collab #4 of the year. They just want their fave to slay. And so should we.

5 hours ago, SevenWonder said:

Totally.

Also, take Beyonce. From 2008 to 2022 she had ZERO solo number ones. Zero. (She did have two number ones: Perfect and Savage. Both features, btw.)

Did anyone say, in 2021 or whenever, that Bey could only get a number one with Ed or Megan or some other collab? 

Of course not! Because it's a silly argument.

Collab hits are just as valid as solo hits. A song is a song is a song. 

Perfect point. I've pointed out for years that no one dares call her a flop, even when she's performing below her peers. Because she just commands that much public and critical respect that no one cares. If she can escape this criticism, anyone should. And I just want to say, that Perfect duet still enrages me over how fake it all was. Beyonce and Ed have nothing in common musically and were never seen together or in any way associated after that "collab" which consisted of Beyonce singing the exact same lines that Ed sang originally with one gender changed lyric. I will never view that as her #1 as she didn't write any of it, it was Ed's solo song before her and he had a hit with it before her. It remains one of the most absurdist, commercial choices in all of music history, we as a collective public should look back on this moment with shame that we made it successful and never support any attempts to do something like it ever again.

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8 hours ago, Decodekid said:

3. Fight me but Shallow is a solo song, its relevance and charting has nothing to do (musically) with Bradley   

I wish she did something like Harlequin for ASIB... I really hate listening to Bradley's voice. That's why I don't listen to Shallow  Sometimes I go to Youtube and listen to the demo, I like it waaay better. And INLA movie version having more streams than the solo/extended one is a crime, just like Interscope making that version a "single"

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Only jobless and immature pop Stan’s care about this stuff. Let’s enjoy what Gaga is offering us.

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2 hours ago, Starmie25 said:

"CollabGa"

I need a catchy title okay?? 

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11 hours ago, Night Vision said:

Uptown Funk

and Uptown Funk, arguably his biggest HIT, is also a collab 😭 I don’t see people dragging him. It’s misogyny