Who else can do this but Gaga?

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You can say what you want about Gaga's success with her music and movies (which is all over the place) but is there is one thing Gaga has proved is that she is still one of the best and most talented artist around. 

 

Joker Folie a Deux: Gaga is one of the few aspects of the movie to receive praise and acclaim by EVERYONE who watched the movie even from people who hated the movie. Many people were even saying that Gaga was underutilized and they should have added more Gaga scenes. 

Die With a Smile: both Bruno and Gaga received acclaim and success with this song. With both artist being praised for their vocals and emotion in the song. 

Harlequin: Gaga receives a strong positive reception from fans and critics alike with a 73 metacritic score. Gaga receives acclaim for her vocals and versatility. 

Disease: both the video and song receive acclaim from critics and fans. The song is being praised for Gaga's vocals, its unique sound, and overall almost everyone is saying that this is Gaga's return to form. 

Who else can be acclaimed in a movie, release a classic ballad, release a strong jazz/soul album, an great industrial pop song, and horror themed music video, in a matter of a few months and still receive praise for everything? I don't think any current artist can. 

[Didymus 34,379]

Multiple of her peers could do this easily. The fact that they don't doesn't mean they can't. That Gaga has underperformed with all but one of these projects means they probably shouldn't, either.

Your description of the praise she got for Joker and Harlequin is very exaggerated lol. Non-fans could easily rewrite this situation as: who could star in a legendarily flopped movie, release a no-one-cares second soundtrack to said flopped movie, and release a long awaited comeback single to crickets at the same time, the only glimmer of hope being a duet with Bruno Mars that, aesthetically, has nothing to do with your artistic direction

What is impressive is that her commercial underperformance on almost all fronts rn is not affecting people's regard and esteem of her. Her flopping is no longer news worthy like it was a decade ago. She's here to stay, and people will commend her based on her talent, even if they show less interest in what she's doing. That is a remarkable flip of the situation we had a decade ago. That means it's finally time to stop freaking out about or mind-bendingly excuse her numbers and start enjoying the art for what it is.

Edited November 5 by Didymus

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[RenegAde 18,145]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Multiple of her peers could do this easily. The fact that they don't doesn't mean they can't. That Gaga has underperformed with all but one of these projects means they probably shouldn't, either.

Your description of the praise she got for Joker and Harlequin is very exaggerated lol. Non-fans could easily rewrite this situation as: who could star in a legendarily flopped movie, release a no-one-cares second soundtrack to said flopped movie, and release a long awaited comeback single to crickets at the same time, the only glimmer of hope being a duet with Bruno Mars that, aesthetically, has nothing to do with your artistic direction

What is impressive is that her commercial underperformance on almost all fronts rn is not affecting people's regard and esteem of her. Her flopping is no longer news worthy like it was a decade ago. She's here to stay, and people will commend her based on her talent, even if they show less interest in what she's doing. That is a remarkable flip of the situation we had a decade ago. That means it's finally time to stop freaking out about or mind-bendingly excuse her numbers and start enjoying the art for what it is.

OP was reaching in some aspects but i don't think they exaggerated the praise gaga received for joker. The underutilisation of gaga is always mentioned in every credible review if not the focal point.

And No,  "multiple of her peers" cant do this easily because no artist in the industry today is as versatile and well rounded as gaga in terms of Talent, Artistic credibility, critical and commercial success, recognition amoung her peers and cultural relevance. She's not No.1 in every list but she damn well represented in every facet of entertainment.

Even though it wasn't your intention, it's confusing how your point is to "enjoy the art for what it is" yet you couldn't help but parade stan twitter rhetoric that discredit credibility or reception of gagas work. Part of enjoying the art for what it is is recognising the wins that everyone disregards when it comes to gaga but overhypes when it comes to other artists.

 

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A lot of artists can both act and make music. But what makes Gaga unique is the risky decisions she has made that most artists may not try to.

Joker FAD may have been poorly received, but Gaga's performance did stood out to such that critics felt she was underutilized. Harlequin is also her well received jazz/soul album and we can't deny how the quality of production has been improved when compared to CTC and LFS. She is also successful with DWAS and currently released her best lead single Disease in years which are genres apart. She is competent enough to take risks by working in different fields and still get well received as an artist regardless of commercial success.

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2 hours ago, RenegAde said:

OP was reaching in some aspects but i don't think they exaggerated the praise gaga received for joker. The underutilisation of gaga is always mentioned in every credible review if not the focal point.

Being seen as underutilized is not the same thing as getting critical acclaim for your acting. The focal point regarding Gaga is that the director's vision and the screenplay set up Gaga for a loss from the start. As far as I could see, no one was remarkably impressed by what little Gaga had the opportunity to do, so that doesn't sound valid to me.

Some fans here literally think she will get an Oscar nom which is just, I cannot.

2 hours ago, RenegAde said:

And No,  "multiple of her peers" cant do this easily because no artist in the industry today is as versatile and well rounded as gaga in terms of Talent, Artistic credibility, critical and commercial success, recognition amoung her peers and cultural relevance. She's not No.1 in every list but she damn well represented in every facet of entertainment.

This fanfic of Gaga being the only one who has ever sung different genres or acted well in movies is so backwards by now. It makes us look like out of touch assholes.

LMs need to stop pretending pop star versatility was invented after Gaga sang The Sound of Music. Just because Beyoncé, Taylor, Ariana,... haven't released bagpipe albums and claimed they are contributing to Scottish music or whatever doesn't mean they haven't captivated the world with and been explicitly rewarded for their own versatility

Gaga has shown versatility but not in a way that sets her uniquely apart. I will never understand why people read that as an insult here. Fans be clinging to these imaginary accolades like they're the only reason they stan Gaga, it's honestly so odd, especially when more than half this fanbase flat out ignores her non-pop music.

2 hours ago, RenegAde said:

Part of enjoying the art for what it is is recognising the wins that everyone disregards when it comes to gaga but overhypes when it comes to other artists.

No one disregards Gaga's versatility, that's the thing. Her versatility is literally her mainstream brand now? It's the thing the public likes about her more than anything. Likewise, I don't see anyone overhyping other artists' versatility as much as LMs do. So, I disagree. Enjoying the art for what it is is enjoying the art for what it is, not playing it out as currency against other fanbases.

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1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Being seen as underutilized is not the same thing as getting critical acclaim for your acting. The focal point regarding Gaga is that the director's vision and the screenplay set up Gaga for a loss from the start. As far as I could see, no one was remarkably impressed by what little Gaga had the opportunity to do, so that doesn't sound valid to me.

Some fans here literally think she will get an Oscar nom which is just, I cannot.

This fanfic of Gaga being the only one who has ever sung different genres or acted well in movies is so backwards by now. It makes us look like out of touch assholes.

LMs need to stop pretending pop star versatility was invented after Gaga sang The Sound of Music. Just because Beyoncé, Taylor, Ariana,... haven't released bagpipe albums and claimed they are contributing to Scottish music or whatever doesn't mean they haven't captivated the world with and been explicitly rewarded for their own versatility

Gaga has shown versatility but not in a way that sets her uniquely apart. I will never understand why people read that as an insult here. Fans be clinging to these imaginary accolades like they're the only reason they stan Gaga, it's honestly so odd, especially when more than half this fanbase flat out ignores her non-pop music.

No one disregards Gaga's versatility, that's the thing. Her versatility is literally her mainstream brand now? It's the thing the public likes about her more than anything. Likewise, I don't see anyone overhyping other artists' versatility as much as LMs do. So, I disagree. Enjoying the art for what it is is enjoying the art for what it is, not playing it out as currency against other fanbases.

Neither I nor OP claimed she got universal critical acclaimed for her acting, that was virtually impossible given the circumstances of the movies performance.

However, her acting was one of the few things that was praised about the movie with critics noting that her scenes were so magnetic that they wanted more is an achievements in itself. That is a fact and it doesnt have to be valid to you. Her ability to shine through a trainwreck of a script is commendable and shouldn’t be disregarded like you are doing.  If her performance was underwhelming or average they would have praised the directors decision to cut her scenes. 

I have barely seen anyone talk about awards here since the movies reception made it clear that Gagas chances are slim so link those comments because I sincerely doubt they exist. but then again, if people want to be hopeful and hold out hope for a nomination, let them, its a Gaga fansite afterall and people are allowed to theorise. Crazier things have happened.

Maybe you're the only one that looks like an out of touch because I dare you to name 5 artists in the industry today that has the vocal ability, musicality and acting prowess that Gaga has.

Saying "no one disregards gagas versatility"  when your preceeding statement witingly or unwittingly disregards the fact that gagas has a wide vocal range and a unique ability to switch her tone in accordance with the genre's, coupled with fact that she can seamlessly switch between images and personas like no other  is self contradictory at best.

How can you say that "her versatility is her mainstream brand now and what people like about her" but in the same vein,  claim that "she hasn't shown versatility in a way that sets her apart"? .this sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. No one claims gaga "invented" versatility but she's definitely distinguished herself as a master of it. This is an undeniable fact  in the music industry that even you have inadvertently admitted to.

Finally I think you missed the entire point on versatility. Yes Gaga is indeed one of the most versatile artist ever but I was talking more of how much of a well rounded artist/entertainer she is in terms of Talent, success and credibility, etc

Dang, I shouldn't be having this much trouble explaining Gagas merits to a fellow "fan".

Edited November 5 by RenegAde

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2 hours ago, Didymus said:

Gaga has shown versatility but not in a way that sets her uniquely apart. 

No one disregards Gaga's versatility, that's the thing. Her versatility is literally her mainstream brand now? It's the thing the public likes about her more than anything.

I’m confused by this part. Is her versatility setting her apart or not?  

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Finally I think you missed the entire point on versatility. Yes Gaga is indeed one of the most versatile artist ever but I was talking more of how well rounded of an artist/entertainer she is in terms of Talent, success and credibility etc

I didn't miss the point, it's exactly why I said what I said. I think several of her peers are exactly on the same level as her in terms of having a solid reputation of well-rounded talent, success and credibility. I'm shocked you apparently don't agree with that. Beyoncé and Taylor anyone?

In terms of acting, yes, with ASIB she has made a splash of actual actress prestige that we haven't seen since Cher and Madonna, and she easily beat the latter in terms of critical reception. But she is not and can not be seen as uniquely special because she "has a wide vocal range and a unique ability to switch her tone in accordance with the genre's", that's hilariously delusional given that multiple of her peers have been praised for exactly that, and been called the most versatile pop star, in just the last decade

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

How can you say that her versatility is her mainstream brand now and what people like about her but in the same vein,  claims that she hasn't shown versatility in a way that sets her apart? Sound like cognitive dissonance to me.

It's not. Gaga and her team have been investing in a public reputation of "wow, she can do it all!", above even her reputation as a unique artist. That's why her newest single is massively underperforming. She has rebranded herself as a versatile, impressive performer more than an original artist along the lines of, say, Beyoncé or Taylor, who captivate the world with the sound and visions of their new albums/tours.

It's a strategy that has worked well for her and probably saved her from just losing public esteem. Promoting ASIB as a worthy Gaga era has done more for her career than her last three studio albums. This would be unimaginable for any other acclaimed pop star rn. ASIB's success has laid a new ground-note of respect for Gaga's rebirthing out of the wacky, avant-gardeness she came rolling in with, and that street cred follows her around in a way we haven't seen with any other pop star ever because her peers simply don't need it. Ariana will be praised all around the world in a few weeks for delivering vocals and acting in Wicked but it won't eclipse people's interest in her new album. She can be praised for being versatile without her fans making that her whole identity, that's the difference I'm probably clumsily trying to make, but whatevs. Y'all are so touchy.

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19 minutes ago, Didymus said:

It's not. Gaga and her team have been investing in a public reputation of "wow, she can do it all!", above even her reputation as a unique artist. That's why her newest single is massively underperforming. She has rebranded herself as a versatile, impressive performer more than an original artist along the lines of, say, Beyoncé or Taylor, who captivate the world with the sound and visions of their new albums/tours.

It's a strategy that has worked well for her and probably saved her from just losing public esteem. Promoting ASIB as a worthy Gaga era has done more for her career than her last three studio albums. This would be unimaginable for any other acclaimed pop star rn. ASIB's success has laid a new ground-note of respect for Gaga's rebirthing out of the wacky, avant-gardeness she came rolling in with, and that street cred follows her around in a way we haven't seen with any other pop star ever because her peers simply don't need it. Ariana will be praised all around the world in a few weeks for delivering vocals and acting in Wicked but it won't eclipse people's interest in her new album. She can be praised for being versatile without her fans making that her whole identity, that's the difference I'm probably clumsily trying to make, but whatevs. Y'all are so touchy.

I see what you mean and I agree 100%. Gaga’s “wow she can really sing” is like Pink’s “wow she can fly/do acrobatics!”. It’s great that people see her talent and I do believe she’s above the average when it comes to singing but that shouldn’t be her whole brand. We have distanced ourselves collectively from the perspective that she’s such an unique/conceptual/creative/unconventional artist yet the core of the fanbase still wants unique/conceptual content from her while her bigger audience doesn’t see her as “conceptual” anymore and won’t support that kind of content and let’s be honest not even her hardcore fan base has been supporting Disease to draw the attention back to the creative aspect of Gaga, it’s not hard to assume that LG7 is going to be a “return to form” album just for the nostalgia factor but it’s not profitable for Lady Gaga as a brand, if she insists on releasing this kind of music, she’ll eventually lose her A-list status and become a legacy artist 

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34 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I didn't miss the point, it's exactly why I said what I said. I think several of her peers are exactly on the same level as her in terms of having a solid reputation of well-rounded talent, success and credibility. I'm shocked you apparently don't agree with that. Beyoncé and Taylor anyone?

In terms of acting, yes, with ASIB she has made a splash of actual actress prestige that we haven't seen since Cher and Madonna, and she easily beat the latter in terms of critical reception. But she is not and can not be seen as uniquely special because she "has a wide vocal range and a unique ability to switch her tone in accordance with the genre's", that's hilariously delusional given that multiple of her peers have been praised for exactly that, and been called the most versatile pop star, in just the last decade

It's not. Gaga and her team have been investing in a public reputation of "wow, she can do it all!", above even her reputation as a unique artist. That's why her newest single is massively underperforming. She has rebranded herself as a versatile, impressive performer more than an original artist along the lines of, say, Beyoncé or Taylor, who captivate the world with the sound and visions of their new albums/tours.

It's a strategy that has worked well for her and probably saved her from just losing public esteem. Promoting ASIB as a worthy Gaga era has done more for her career than her last three studio albums. This would be unimaginable for any other acclaimed pop star rn. ASIB's success has laid a new ground-note of respect for Gaga's rebirthing out of the wacky, avant-gardeness she came rolling in with, and that street cred follows her around in a way we haven't seen with any other pop star ever because her peers simply don't need it. Ariana will be praised all around the world in a few weeks for delivering vocals and acting in Wicked but it won't eclipse people's interest in her new album. She can be praised for being versatile without her fans making that her whole identity, that's the difference I'm probably clumsily trying to make, but whatevs. Y'all are so touchy.

In terms of Talent, Taylor swift is leagues behind not only gaga but a lot of her peers. And Beyoncés artistic credibility comes in question at least once a year. Not saying that these artists don't have their own lanes where they excel over gaga but my point is gaga is respectably represented in all aspects. 

As for the rest of your post I have no thoughts and I feel no ways because what? for someone who just wants to "enjoy the art", you sure do care a lot about her commercial appeal

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10 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

In terms of Talent, Taylor swift is leagues behind not only gaga but a lot of her peers. And Beyoncés artistic credibility comes in question at least once a year. Not saying that these artists don't have their own lanes where they excel over gaga but my point is gaga is respectably represented in all aspects. 

As for the rest of your post I have no thoughts and I feel no ways because what? for someone who just wants to "enjoy the art", you sure do care a lot about her commercial appeal

I think what @Didymusis saying is quite refreshing to see on here, i dont think it has any ill intention towards anyone, they are just trying to dismantle the delulu LM fortress that many people are resting in here. Its not a drag towards Gaga just a reality check. 
 

on the comment about artistic credibility, i love Gaga but her creative team takes so much from underground queer artists and barely credits them. Nicola Formichetti has done this so many times. Its not her fault tho. But also this constant comparison between artists is so tiresome, its like an endless loop and cycle. I think it would be great to ascend from it. 

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

As for the rest of your post I have no thoughts and I feel no ways because what? for someone who just wants to "enjoy the art", you sure do care a lot about her commercial appeal

I really don't, I've been saying ever since I joined in 2012 that she needed to drop her label's radio friendly aspirations and secure herself as an artistic tour de force so her impressive acclaim and innate quality of her work can secure her status far into the future à la Lana, Beyoncé, Taylor, even Ari at this point,... Her team has chosen the opposite strategy, and that's fine, it's working, even if it's hollowing out her brand a bit imo. We've gone from avant-garde revolutionary artiste to talented, versatile singer/actress. I definitely don't appreciate that as much but it is what it is, it gives her more straightforward commercial longevity and she sure seems happier.

I get, though, that my interest in where Gaga is career wise can easily be seen as a read. I just really think her career is fascinating and I like discussing it. I myself couldn't give two ****s about Disease not doing well. We've known for years now that the public would rather have another adult contemporary ballad than a "comeback" to nostalgic ol' Gaga, and we're seeing that play out in front of our very eyes yet again now.

So it just humors me when other LMs interpret her comfy mainstream "wow, she can really sing/act" street cred as a sign that she'll somehow become the #1 girl in the game again, toppling Beyoncé and Taylor and being remembered as the only worth mentioning musician of the 2010s-2020s. When that somehow doesn't happen and she underperforms, every single time these exact "at least she'll be remembered as a LEGEND for (insert made up achievement) unlike the other girls who are currently outselling her" threads keep popping up to soothe the disappointment that shouldn't be there in the first place.

The whole thing just exposes a massive insecurity. I think this fanbase would be a lot more supportive of Gaga if we stopped dramatically inflating her abilities to flatter our own ego's. We're becoming more like Madonna fans every day.

Edited November 5 by Didymus

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48 minutes ago, Sneaky Oliver said:

I see what you mean and I agree 100%. Gaga’s “wow she can really sing” is like Pink’s “wow she can fly/do acrobatics!”. It’s great that people see her talent and I do believe she’s above the average when it comes to singing but that shouldn’t be her whole brand. We have distanced ourselves collectively from the perspective that she’s such an unique/conceptual/creative/unconventional artist yet the core of the fanbase still wants unique/conceptual content from her while her bigger audience doesn’t see her as “conceptual” anymore and won’t support that kind of content and let’s be honest not even her hardcore fan base has been supporting Disease to draw the attention back to the creative aspect of Gaga, it’s not hard to assume that LG7 is going to be a “return to form” album just for the nostalgia factor but it’s not profitable for Lady Gaga as a brand, if she insists on releasing this kind of music, she’ll eventually lose her A-list status and become a legacy artist 

Exactly. You explain it best