Gaga to appear at Kamala's Philadelphia rally in Pennsylvania

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10 minutes ago, high culture said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAxw5gLNLIk/?igsh=MXczNmRvaWQyeTV5Nw== 
 

Tim Walz said during the VP debate that the expansion of Israel is essential for the USA, while it is expanding military operations into Lebanon and Syria and aims to establish a "greater Israel"

I'm not going to debate you on the rest of your points because we are not going to agree

Ok...first, that's not Kamala  

Second, I wouldn't put too much stock in his exact wording. His debate performance was full of gaffes and misstatements. The dude said he "made friends with school shooters" ffs  

Third, his "expansion of their proxies" kinda lends itself to my point that Israel is necessary for the US' national security in the Middle East which is why no president will ever go full anti-Israel. I don't read that as "we should support Israel itself physically expanding" and then linking that to the delusional dream of "Greater Israel" that Israel's government has. Seems like quite the reach, but I can understand how you'd take it that way.

No, Kamala herself has said dozens of times that Palestine exists, it deserves to exist free of Israeli occupation, Palestinians deserve the right to self determination and security, and that Israel needs to stop its war.

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thank god i was sweating that she stopped caring lol 

so much is on the line

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1 hour ago, eevie said:

Babe, everything is political. YOU being gay and YOU stanning Lady Gaga already is.

Amen to that. I think people who think otherwise are just delusional

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6 hours ago, Ethereal Mess said:

So she’s been completely silent about the atrocities being committed by Israel in Palestine for the past year, and now she is publicly endorsing the same person that not only enabled but continues to legitimize and take part in the genocide, essentially exonerating her. I am at a loss for words.

So do you want her to stay quiet or endorse drump...

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5 hours ago, high culture said:

Hope it's not true. Wish she would stay out of politics 

She has always had a voice in this idk why fans thought she’d be quiet about it, it‘s like they don’t know what she stands for after all these years. She has a huge platform and obviously Kamala is not rainbows and butterflies but seriously Donald as president again? 
 

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4 hours ago, PartySick said:

Ok, give me the source for this 'cause I've been living and breathing this election since July and she has not said this  

She states that Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself, which it does. She states the hostages should be freed, and they should.

She also states Palestine deserves sovereignty and freedom from Israeli occupation, and it does. She says Palestine deserves the same security Israel gets, and it does.

She is the VICE president, she's not made a call one way or the other and frankly, even though it's an unpopular opinion here, I think the whole "Genocide Joe" thing is laughably wrong.

The Biden/Harris administration funneled millions of US tax payers' dollars into Gaza to build it up, modernize their infrastructure, and maintain a working relationship with Israel with the goal of having Israel gtfo of their country.

Hamas ruined that on Oct 7th.

Then Netanyahu, the bastard, used that attack as justification for this current genocide.

The US' stance now is defending Israel from hostile groups like Hamas and pouring humanitarian aid into Gaza in spite of Israel's wishes.

You can be unhappy with that response, that's fine and completely valid, but to say Harris, or even Biden, is actively supporting a genocide is objectively incorrect. Americans en masse support a ceasefire, Biden and Harris have been calling for one and trying to negotiate for one for almost an entire year now.

Either Kamala or Trump will be president next January. Let's just touch on some things Trump has said *ahem*

 - Israel needs to "finish the job"

 - He encourages the use of nuclear weapons in Gaza

 - He wants to build hotels on the "beach front property" in Gaza after Israel annexes it

 - He encourages the settlement of the West Bank (which is something Biden has threatened sanctions over)

 - He has Elon Musk making fear mongering, racist ads about "'Ka-mah-la Harris" backing "Arab savages over Jewish Americans" while stereotypical Arab music plays in the background

 - He's routinely used the threat of Palestinian refugees (that the Biden administration wants to accept into the US) as a scare tactic to whip up his racist base

 - His surrogates are out there spewing bullsh*t like "Palestinians learn to kill Americans by the age of 2"

 - As president, he enacted a Muslim travel ban

 - As president, he moved the US/Israel embassy to Jerusalem officially staying that Palestine does not exist

 

Y'all are protesting the wrong candidate. Or rather, you're protesting the only candidate that will actually hear you out and hopefully adjust her policies away from Biden's if given the chance. You're protesting the only candidate with morality and empathy enough to say "this is wrong, it needs to stop, what can we do?"

The fact is the US will never stop backing Israel. They are far too integral to our national security within the Middle East but I'm optimistic that Kamala will be even more stern than Biden. Maybe when she makes a threat she'll actually follow through with it

Not saying I'm satisfied with Biden's approach to the issue at all but if you're American and you care at all about Gaza but you're not voting for Kamala then you're crazy.

This wraps all the way back around to my biggest criticism of the left. Having principles without power makes you useless and politicians will only capitulate to the base that elects them. If leftists constantly show themselves to be flaky, disruptive, and ignorant then they'll never have an ounce of power beyond a handful of congressional seats.

Take it from AOC, Bernie Sanders, or any of the other leftists in our government.

Electing Kamala is the ONLY chance we have of even potentially making a positive change on this issue.

This!!!!! Thank you for saying it! 

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44 minutes ago, AMRer said:

Amen to that. I think people who think otherwise are just delusional

I love when my friends or former coworkers say they don't like politics...then they complain about their pay, their hours, gas prices, the roads they drive on, the police, etc etc

Babes, EVERYTHING is politics and politics are EVERYTHING.

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7 hours ago, madmagical6 said:

I'm not from the US but it always feels strange to me, to see celebrities and artist come forward to endorse parties. 

I listen to music and watch TV as a form of escapism, I'm not sure about anyone else.  I couldn't stand AHS when they made it political. Also in the Joanne era when Gaga performed 'Come to Mama'. I still do enjoy the song, I think it's great but I then associate it when politics, which I can't stand.

I have no stake in this election whatsoever being from the UK but it's still very odd to me that Jennifer Lopez OF ALL PEOPLE, is standing on a podium urging Americans to trust her judgement 💀

 

they are influential people, they have an influence on people that like them. They speak up on what they believe in. I don’t know what’s wrong about that.

To me, thats the thing I love the most about gaga, she always stands for what she believes in. Seems to me like you have a deeper problem with “politics”, because at the end of the day, everything in life is politic and Gaga being who she is and having the fans she has is already a HUGE political statement.

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7 hours ago, Ethereal Mess said:

So she’s been completely silent about the atrocities being committed by Israel in Palestine for the past year, and now she is publicly endorsing the same person that not only enabled but continues to legitimize and take part in the genocide, essentially exonerating her. I am at a loss for words.

so would you prefer for her to endorse a literal n*zi??? thats crazy

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I want Palestine to be free of Israel’s terrorism as much as the next sane person with more than 2 brain cells, so obviously Kamala is the way to go to accomplish this goal. 
 

Everyone else talking smack about Kamala because of Palestine don’t actually care about the lives of the people living there, otherwise they’d support Kamala. Like, can y’all please stop pretending to care? It’s a slap in the face for the people of Palestine. 

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10 hours ago, JustJustan said:

It’s out of line. If you don’t understand how the vice presidency works, go read the constitution. I’m done discussing this topic with accelerationists who want to elect Trump.

 

10 hours ago, Decodekid said:

So is letting Trump win a better solution for you? It amazes me how hard it is to see the bigger picture here  

Kamala has been pretty vocal about her stance, her responsibilities as a vice president currently are irrelevant. Me disapproving of Gaga's association with that is not me endorsing Trump. You see it as such because you are willing to accept the decimation of Palestinians as collateral damage. Excuse me if I do not believe that Kamala is interested in achieving a ceasefire when she has been the recipient of more than $5,000,000 from AIPAC and has been pretty consistently silencing pro-Palestine protestors and denying Arab-Americans a platform at her rallies. 

10 hours ago, Chlorine said:

It’s not about the bigger picture for them, it’s about virtue signaling and a false sense of moral purity.  

There is nothing worse than genocide, but perhaps that is not a red line for you when it keeps the prices of "groceries lower." Rather than accusing me of "virtue signaling" maybe you should examine why you have become so desensitized to the massacres being committed against Palestinians.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Moonlight on Water said:

So do you want her to stay quiet or endorse drump...

 

3 hours ago, JoanneMonster said:

so would you prefer for her to endorse a literal n*zi??? thats crazy

I'd rather she as vehemently denounce the genocide as she is willing to endorse the party that has funneled billions of U.S. tax dollars and deployed U.S. soldiers to commit it. 

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Like seriously, there is a trans genocide going on too. To tell trans people to not think about their health care at this time because they’re “supporting genocide” when our vote in actuality doesn’t materially affect Gaza either way is just… frustrating to put it mildly.

Because I’m supposedly “supporting genocide” because voting is apparently actively endorsing Kamala’s support of Israel’s horrific genocidal actions. Apparently any trans person who thinks of their health & recognizes that their vote doesn’t affect Gaza materially is awful.

It saddens me some would rather be “right” by their standards over what leftist organizing should do-recognize people’s needs/fears, build solidarity & try to provide for them.

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Is is just me that dont want her to perform DWAS in this political scene? DWAS for me should not be tainted with this politics bec it's universally loved and some people might feel off abt the song when they see it used here. As for Disease, kind of the same feeling... but i kinda feel she needs to push the song more so im fine with the fact that more people getting to know it

 

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2 hours ago, Ethereal Mess said:

 

Kamala has been pretty vocal about her stance, her responsibilities as a vice president currently are irrelevant. Me disapproving of Gaga's association with that is not me endorsing Trump. You see it as such because you are willing to accept the decimation of Palestinians as collateral damage. Excuse me if I do not believe that Kamala is interested in achieving a ceasefire when she has been the recipient of more than $5,000,000 from AIPAC and has been pretty consistently silencing pro-Palestine protestors and denying Arab-Americans a platform at her rallies. 

There is nothing worse than genocide, but perhaps that is not a red line for you when it keeps the prices of "groceries lower." Rather than accusing me of "virtue signaling" maybe you should examine why you have become so desensitized to the massacres being committed against Palestinians.

 

 

You're a willfully ignorant extremist who either can't or refuses to see nuance. No different than the MAGA cult. The rest of us know that we can't let perfect be the enemy of good. Either Kamala or Trump will be president of the United States, and under Kamala there is still room to pressure and protest for Gaza. Under Trump that and much more ends. But it's not worth arguing with a zealot like you. You are so ignorant you think Gaza is the only bad thing happening in the world and every decision should revolve around it.