Bodies of 6 Israeli hostages, murdered by Hamas just days ago

[Elohim 1,960]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Okay, so we’re in the denialism stage of the genocide. Got it, got it. 

Aldo you calling it “genocide” doesn’t make it a genocide, genocide is a term with numbers, you don’t tell civilians to move to humanitarian zones if you want to do a genocide.

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Just now, Elohim said:

Aldo you calling it “genocide” doesn’t make it a genocide, genocide is a term with numbers, you don’t tell civilians to move to humanitarian zones if you want to do a genocide.

You also probably don’t attack humanitarian zones and arrange for the “voluntary migration” of civilians to different countries if you’re not committing a genocide. Just a thought. 

[Ladymars 3,722]

9 minutes ago, Elohim said:

Aldo you calling it “genocide” doesn’t make it a genocide, genocide is a term with numbers, you don’t tell civilians to move to humanitarian zones if you want to do a genocide.

 

53 minutes ago, Ladymars said:

Madam/sir even the ICJ ruling termed it as a genocide stop with your BS 

 

 

[Elohim 1,960]

6 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

You also probably don’t attack humanitarian zones and arrange for the “voluntary migration” of civilians to different countries if you’re not committing a genocide. Just a thought. 

You also don’t want to shoot rockets from humanitarian zones if you don’t want humanitarian to get attacked right?

and also, you red 2 sentences on the internet about “voluntary migration” and decided that thats what being offered?

[Ladymars 3,722]

Honestly, I'm surprised that you can stan an artist like Gaga and still support the apartheid state of Israel.

[Bronco 24,930]

6 minutes ago, Elohim said:

 

You can keep on spreading that there are 40k civilians killed, it dosent make it true, a lit of tge ones that were killed was Hamas terrorists, and alot of what Palestinians authorities are spreading is over exaggerated, fake news goes both sides.

I wouldn’t want any lives of civilians from both side killed, but this is how war works saddly, you don’t “get even” you try to win.

But you can't fight a war against terrorism/ideology. 
WW2 didn't end Nazism. Vietnam was a complete failure. Afghanistan achieved nothing, the pre war government is now the post war government. The Troubles only ended in a manner that drastically diminished terrorist groups because all groups agreed to a permanent ceasefire and numerous political deals to peacefully handle the contentious issues.

Israel has been fighting Hamas since it's inception and what result do we have so far? Dead israelis, dead palestinins and a lot of very rich and very corrupt political figures.

For every terrorist you kill by bombing refugee camps and hospitals - you create a minimum of 2 to replace them. You can never win the war. You can take the territory but the idea doesn't go away, if anything you've reinforced it and poured fuel on the fires that led to the terrorism in the first place. 

Everyone who knows anything about IR & Terrorism knows how this conflict ends for Netanyahu. Dead hostages who won't get justice. Israelis who despise him for sacrificing the hostages to secure his own hide and will ultimately cost him all he sort to retain personally. And a signficantly more radicalised community living within the territory captured. That will continue to threaten Israel without cessation but without any "legitimate" territory to attack what happens next? Do you start bombing Israel itself to take it on? We all know that's ludicrous. So the final result is either a stalemate where Israelis & Palestinian civilians continue to get used as target practice or a peace process which Netanyahu and Hamas have built their entire empires on opposing. 

[Elohim 1,960]

2 minutes ago, Ladymars said:

 

 

The ICJ never termed it as a genocide, that is fake news.

[Elohim 1,960]

2 minutes ago, Ladymars said:

Honestly, I'm surprised that you can stan an artist like Gaga and still support the apartheid state of Israel.

An artist like Gaga? An artist like Gaga that came to israel in a middle of war in Gaza and preformed in Tel Aviv?

[ALittleMonsta 1,529]

1 hour ago, River said:

F-ck Netaynahu,they could have been saved.

3 of them could have been saved in July, but Netayanhu sabotaged a deal.

His best case scenario is happening right now, the hostages are being murdered, so there's nobody to rescue, no deal to make and the genocide can continue.

 

he is neglecting deals to earn power and to assure the government wont fall (everyone in israel hates the government basically) and some sources confirmed this

[Elohim 1,960]

1 minute ago, ALittleMonsta said:

he is neglecting deals to earn power and to assure the government wont fall (everyone in israel hates the government basically) and some sources confirmed this

Sadly not everyone

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15 minutes ago, Elohim said:

Aldo you calling it “genocide” doesn’t make it a genocide, genocide is a term with numbers, you don’t tell civilians to move to humanitarian zones if you want to do a genocide.

A genocide in the making is still a genocide, no? Should we wait for the deceased numbers to catch up with the term's definition and then use it? Why hide behind numbers when the intention is clear?

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1 hour ago, Bazaar said:

6 innocents were brutally murdered and that’s your comment? wow

& the “genocide” could’ve been stopped months ago if only hamas released the hostages, but they’re choosing to execute them instead. that’s how much they care about a cease fire and their own people, innocent people who are dying for nothing. 

Yeah as Israeli I must condemn the actions of my government that led to 7th october, to murder of hostages who were alive and could have been saved and for the genocide in gaza.

Maybe hamas pulled the trigger, but netanyahu gave them the opportunity to do so.

He’s fault, he’s the blame, he’s a war criminal and he’s dragging all of us into this hole.

I was in primary school when he was first elected, i’m 35 and he’s still here, and he promised to eliminate hamas, but they’re still here, in the meantime they killed my mom, they bombed the south over and over, the did 7th october, he’s still here, hamas is still here, but nobody will bring back all the people who died because of those 2 vile entities.

Ah and in the meantime, more land is being taken from the west bank.

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1 hour ago, faysalaaa said:

Imagine if someone steals your car, and the police acts recklessly resulting in you not having your car back.

You blame the police, but the police responds by saying you would have had the car if the thief did not steal it, so tell the thief to not steal, its not the police responsibility you dont have your car back.

Yes its the thiefs fault, but practically speaking, whats good in condemning the thief?

Even though I agree with you, I feel this is a bad analogy because ultimately the police is only responsible for whatever reckless role they played in you not having your car. But, The thief still bares the overriding responsibility of you not having your car if they are caught.

I'm saying this because even though I understand the logic and i am aware of Netanyahus guilt in all of this, I'm not too comfortable with people chucking up the role these acts have played in this bloodshed to hamas just being hamas therefore there's no use condemning them for murders they committed. Like wut?

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Even though I agree with you, I feel this is a bad analogy because ultimately the police is only responsible for whatever reckless role they played in you not having your car. But, The thief still bares the overriding responsibility of you not having your car if they are caught.

I'm saying this because even though I understand the logic and i am aware of Netanyahus guilt in all of this, I'm not too comfortable with people chucking up the role these acts have played in this bloodshed to hamas just being hamas therefore there's no use condemning them for murders they committed. Like wut?

Yes thats why I specifically said PRACTICALLY speaking, there is no use in asking Hamas to do the moral thing, but morally speaking, ofcourse Hamas is in the wrong.

Some Israelis are saying anything bad that happens to the hostages and Palestinians is on Hamas, and we should tell Hamas to return the hostages, and that Israel has nothing to do with it. But im saying practically speaking, saying Hamas is bad wont help the hostages or Palestinians.

Im half Palestinian and Muslim, and im extremely pro Palestine, but I do agree that some people make insane excuses for Hamas. I always call them out when they do so, thats why ive been attacked by some members here calling me a Zionist!

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2 hours ago, Bazaar said:

6 innocents were brutally murdered and that’s your comment? wow

& the “genocide” could’ve been stopped months ago if only hamas released the hostages, but they’re choosing to execute them instead. that’s how much they care about a cease fire and their own people, innocent people who are dying for nothing. 

Me taking my sad react back bc ain’t no way you found a way to **** ride netanyahoo