Gaga's Israeli comments resurfaces

[PartySick 146,608]

2 hours ago, Ronlop said:

I highlighted that the predominant focus tends to place blame on Israel without adequately considering Hamas' role in the conflict

I'm not gonna join the debate 'cause this topic has objectively correct stances and I don't feel like banging my head against a wall but I did wanna drop a couple opinions.

First: "The terrorists aren't being reasonable" is a poor excuse to justify Israel's actions in Gaza, imo. I absolutely hold an organized government with a global presence to a higher standard than a militant political terror group that seized power not even 20 years ago.

Second: In the same way 9/11 did not justify the US' 20 year assault on the Middle East, Oct 7th in no way justifies carpet bombing Gaza and herding hundreds of thousands of now-homeless victims of war into camps where they'll starve and sleep on top of each other in unsanitary conditions ain't the way to bring peace to anything.

Third: One of Netanyahu's demands is that Hamas is destroyed. Kinda impossible for Hamas to agree to those terms

Even Israelis are pissed at Netanyahu 'cause he's not even trying to get the hostages back, he's just blowing people up and siccing his military on people (a military that has also raped and assaulted Palestinians, even before Oct 7th).

Hamas should absolutely be destroyed and there's a way to do it without creating an entire generation of genocide survivors who will grow up to rightfully hate Israel and their allies even more than their parents do/did.

[HelloHangoverz 15,721]

1 hour ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

I’m sure everyone in Rafah is so grateful for the discourse around what Gaga has and hasn’t publicly said about Palestine!

This. A load of mental masturbation.

[Dennis 8,391]

16 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Second: In the same way 9/11 did not justify the US' 20 year assault on the Middle East, Oct 7th in no way justifies carpet bombing Gaza and herding hundreds of thousands of now-homeless victims of war into camps where they'll starve and sleep on top of each other in unsanitary conditions ain't the way to bring peace to anything.

Third: One of Netanyahu's demands is that Hamas is destroyed. Kinda impossible for Hamas to agree to those terms

In my opinion, the Israeli government helped create a platform for the staunchest anti-Israel voices by doing many excessive things that were not necessary, particularly as it relates to the issue of aid.

So now they are letting enough trucks in, but why wasn't it done a while ago. Just gave bad press for Israel.

This, in no way, justifies antisemitism, harassing Israeli civilians abroad, or calling for the destruction of Israel. I've always condemned those people and particularly those who engage in rape denial, but I think Israelis should be just as mad at their own government, for giving the enemies of Israel a huge platform.

The war could've been prosecuted in a way that does less reputational damage to Israel.

But yeah everyone should believe in the need for Hamas to go. Palestine will never be a country if it doesn't have a unified government that believes in co-existence. Plus, even in legal terms, they seized Gaza illegally from the PA in a violent coup d'état in 2007.

 

[PartySick 146,608]

21 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Plus, even in legal terms, they seized Gaza illegally from the PA in a violent coup d'état in 2007.

Which is why it's so ridiculous when people say "but Hamas!!" like what do you expect from them? They're monsters.

Israel doesn't have to be a monster but it absolutely is and arguably a bigger monster than Hamas imo.

The interesting thing about terrorism is it's like fire. You can't fight fire with fire, it just makes a bigger damn fire. Israel might very well destroy Hamas but they've created conditions for an even more dangerous and angry group to rise out of the ashes of Gaza.

Had Israel committed itself to the rebuilding and support of Palestine rather than the occupation and destruction of it, Hamas wouldn't exist and Israel and Palestine could coexist somehow.

The ball's in Israel's court. It always has been. It's up to them to fix this.

Not even touching the antisemitism topic 'cause we're not talking about Jews, we're talking about a government, a military, and the people who support it.

[Dennis 8,391]

12 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Had Israel committed itself to the rebuilding and support of Palestine rather than the occupation and destruction of it, Hamas wouldn't exist and Israel and Palestine could coexist somehow.

The ball's in Israel's court. It always has been. It's up to them to fix this.

Unless you mean in recent history?

But I don't think peace only depended on Israel. The U.N partition plan was rejected by the Arabs. UN Resolution 242 calling for 2 states and an end to the conflict in 1967 was rejected by the PLO (Hamas didn't exist at the time).

When Arafat began the peace process in 1993, Hamas immediately rejected it and started doing suicide bombings months after the signing of the Oslo Accords. Likewise, Likud from the other side rejected it too.

So there were definitely large elements within both countries opposed to peace. 

I don't want to oversimplify history. The desire to have all of mandatory Palestine from the River to the Sea did not start with Hamas and it may not end with Hamas.

I can only hope that both people eventually realize that two-state solution is the only viable solution.

Edited May 13, 2024 by Dennis

[Ronlop 6,882]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

"The terrorists aren't being reasonable" is a poor excuse to justify Israel's actions in Gaza, imo. I absolutely hold an organized government with a global presence to a higher standard than a militant political terror group that seized power not even 20 years ago.

We're forgetting that "these terrorists" ultimately hold significant political power in Gaza and, whether we like it or not, their influence heavily shapes the current trajectory of the conflict. Being labeled a terrorist entity doesn't negate the fact that they hold a significant stake in halting this conflict. It's easy to pin the breakdown of ceasefire talks solely on Israel, but that overlooks the complexity of the situation. Both sides need equal pressure to move towards an agreement. Currently, Israel faces scrutiny while Hamas escapes accountability. This not only complicates reaching a resolution but could also lead to Israel agreeing to unfair terms, like allowing Hamas to select which convicted murderers to release in exchange for innocent civilians. And this is concerning not only because of the kind of message this sends to the international community but also the moral implications for families who have suffered losses at the hands of these terrorists, only to see them released like nothing happened. 

 

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

In the same way 9/11 did not justify the US' 20 year assault on the Middle East, Oct 7th in no way justifies carpet bombing Gaza and herding hundreds of thousands of now-homeless victims of war into camps where they'll starve and sleep on top of each other in unsanitary conditions ain't the way to bring peace to anything.

What alternative methods were realistically available to dismantle Hamas? As you mentioned, expecting Hamas to willingly dismantle itself, especially after what they perceive as their greatest victory, seems unrealistic. Ending the occupation whilst granting governance to Hamas in the process of freeing Palestine would also be entirely irrational.  So when you're confronting a terrorist organization entrenched in densely populated areas and using civilians as shields, and especially following the events of Oct 7th, it was pretty obvious that peaceful dialogue was unlikely to yield results, and that some form of military intervention was necessary. That doesn't rule out the fact that the magnitude of this intervention is deeply troubling, and hopefully comprehensive investigation will be conducted to determine the actions that were taken and the ones responsible for breaking international law would face the consequences.

 

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

One of Netanyahu's demands is that Hamas is destroyed. Kinda impossible for Hamas to agree to those terms

The ceasefire negotiations never delved into the topic of Hamas's future. The disagreements revolve around ending the war, with Hamas pushing for Israel to announce a clear end date, which Israel opposes. Israel's reluctance to accept Hamas near its borders, especially after the events of Oct 7th, is understandable. It would be unreasonable to expect any Israeli leader to recognize Hamas as a governing entity in Gaza after such incidents. And though a ceasefire could potentially lead to the end of the war eventually, it's reasonable for Israel to maintain the option of dismantling Hamas in the future. So if an equivalent level of pressure is applied to Hamas as well, they might soften their demands and prioritize their people over their own survival, for once.

Edited May 13, 2024 by Ronlop

[PartySick 146,608]

3 minutes ago, Dennis said:

I can only hope that both people eventually realize that two-state solution is the only viable solution.

I don't think that's possible as long as the current government of Israel exists tbh. I don't even truly believe Netanyahu wants Hamas destroyed or cares about the hostages they're holding.

4 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Currently, Israel faces scrutiny while Hamas escapes accountability

What? They've literally been labelled "terrorists" and most people, myself included, vehemently believe they should be destroyed. Or at the very least removed from power.

6 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

What alternative methods were realistically available to dismantle Hamas?

You can start by not immediately making every Gazan sympathize or agree with them.

Hamas tells them Israel wants them all dead. What has Israel done to convince them otherwise? Rhetorical question 'cause we both know the answer is "not sh*t".

Israel's military absolutely has the capability to carry out precise and well informed strikes on Hamas operatives in Gaza while minimizing or even eliminating civilian casualties.

Instead, they've opted to reduce the entire region to rubble, kill tens of thousands of innocent people, herd hundreds of thousands into camps, and now they want "volunteers" to go to other countries.

They should learn from the US' mistakes. We spent some 50 years meddling with the middle east, including direct conflicts, and every time we fought terrorists we made them stronger because we spent our time sending drone strikes through schools and shooting civilians which just reinforced their propaganda.

Our biggest victory was getting revenge on the guy who perpetrated 9/11 and all it took was a toppled government or two, several invasions, and a million dead people in the Middle East.

That's EXACTLY the path Israel is following right now.

10 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

So if an equivalent level of pressure is applied to Hamas as well, they might soften their demands and prioritize their people over their own survival, for once.

They won't because they're not acting in the best interest of their people, in the same way Netanyahu doesn't have the interest of the Israeli people in mind.

I didn't mean Israel should accept and recognize Hamas, they shouldn't. I meant "one of our terms is you should stop existing" is a pretty poor idea to bring to the negotiation table. Especially when you're apparently there to rescue hostages that've been in said terrorists' custody for seven months now.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm stepping away from this topic before it drives me crazy again

[PartySick 146,608]

1 hour ago, PartySick said:

I'm not gonna join the debate

Me when I lie

[Didymus 34,379]

8 hours ago, Dennis said:

The U.N came out with a report detailing MULTIPLE instances of sexual assault.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e

 

8 hours ago, Ronlop said:

The UN issued an official report confirming the discovery of evidence that it happened and that it's still on-going. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/

And the New York Times as well. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

Y'all, I cannot with you two

Here is the actual UN report:

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

They plainly admit the evidence so far is limited to eyewitnesses, and that there is no material or verifiable evidence at this point, only circumstantial. More importantly, they acknowledge the challenge of interpreting this evidence, as the majority of information they were allowed to study was sourced by Israeli institutions themselves. Israel still chooses to not collaborate with UN investigation bodies.

Note also here:

"The mission team examined several allegations of sexual violence. It must be noted that
witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously. Some also stated to the mission team that they no longer felt confident in their recollections of other assertions that had appeared in the media. ... At least two of the allegations of sexual violence previously reported were determined by the mission team to be unfounded, due to either new superseding information or inconsistency in the information gathered, including first responder testimonies, photographic evidence and other information."

The New York Times piece has been the subject of massive debunking in recent months and is absolutely not trustworthy. The relatives of the victims referenced in it retracted their story and some of the people interviewed later exposed the author for repeatedly pressuring them into giving statements in favor of Israel.

The main information of that piece comes from Israeli veterans and the very untrustworthy ZAKA organization. It has since been revealed that journalists are not even allowed to access the details of their testimonies. Ironically, ZAKA is itself linked to systematic sexual abuse within the Orthodox community.

So, no, there is no possible "balanced" way we can say that these accusations are objective or even established. That does not mean we don't need to pay attention to it. But as the UN acknowledged: this process will take a long time and Israel's systematic barring of proper forensic investigation only delays this process. Interesting, no?

Meanwhile there is a pile of objective evidence that Israeli forces have been engaging in systematic sexual violence against Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. That same UN official who wrote the report wished to open inquiries into these instances as well but was immediately politically shunned for this. The UN has previously this year also legitimized reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli forces raped Palestinian detainees:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

So if we're gonna talk about this, let's actually talk about this instead of throwing it around to justify lame opinions.

[Didymus 34,379]

8 hours ago, Ronlop said:

So a celebrity post demanding consideration for all the factors involved would likely provoke more backlash compared to a one-sided call for a ceasefire or "Free Palestine". So I'm just assuming this may be a lot of celebrities' position on the matter, and they are simply hesitant to express their complete perspective on the situation. 

I completely disagree. I think lots of people would welcome someone lke Gaga saying she was concerned about reports that both Israeli and Palestinian civilians were subject to military sexual assault.

You're painting an utterly false narrative that when we start discussing details, there is more ambiguity. There is not. The popular discourse on this war is sophisticated and in-depth. Young people would actively appreciate celebrities to honor that and contribute to it.

You're also lying again. Hamas has accepted the Egyptian peace proposal. Why are you talking about this like you're months behind? It's irritating.

[Omar Vela 2,546]

People being way more judgemental against celebrities opinions rather than against POLITICIANS WHO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS CONFLICT!! I swear this privileged people thinking they are saving the world by screaming at their phones and "cancelling" celebrities...

Also not some of you talking about Hamas like they are good people... WTF
Not supporting Israel GOVERNMENT should not make you support hamas. 

Edited May 13, 2024 by Omar Vela

[Didymus 34,379]

4 hours ago, Omar Vela said:

People being way more judgemental against celebrities opinions rather than against POLITICIANS WHO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS CONFLICT!! I swear this privileged people thinking they are saving the world by screaming at their phones and "cancelling" celebrities...

Also not some of you talking about Hamas like they are good people... WTF
Not supporting Israel GOVERNMENT should not make you support hamas. 

You're really saying that Biden, Netanyahu, Isreali officials, Ursula von der Leyen,... have not been targets of online discourse? lol

Pro-Palestine campaigns have always included well organized calls to contact representatives/Congress members. The UNRWA, USCPR and Jewish Voices for Peace ones were very popular this time around, more so than previous years. Also, the BDS boycott movement has been proven to work despite criticism.

This celeb block is just an easy thing to do on top of all of these things, and it's already working lol. Lizzo and Hank Green prompty promoted Gaza fundraisers. So this is actually a route to getting the word out there, no need to be so dramatic about it.

Edited May 13, 2024 by Didymus

[Dennis 8,391]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

 

Y'all, I cannot with you two

Here is the actual UN report:

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

They plainly admit the evidence so far is limited to eyewitnesses, and that there is no material or verifiable evidence at this point, only circumstantial. More importantly, they acknowledge the challenge of interpreting this evidence, as the majority of information they were allowed to study was sourced by Israeli institutions themselves. Israel still chooses to not collaborate with UN investigation bodies.

Note also here:

"The mission team examined several allegations of sexual violence. It must be noted that
witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously. Some also stated to the mission team that they no longer felt confident in their recollections of other assertions that had appeared in the media. ... At least two of the allegations of sexual violence previously reported were determined by the mission team to be unfounded, due to either new superseding information or inconsistency in the information gathered, including first responder testimonies, photographic evidence and other information."

The New York Times piece has been the subject of massive debunking in recent months and is absolutely not trustworthy. The relatives of the victims referenced in it retracted their story and some of the people interviewed later exposed the author for repeatedly pressuring them into giving statements in favor of Israel.

The main information of that piece comes from Israeli veterans and the very untrustworthy ZAKA organization. It has since been revealed that journalists are not even allowed to access the details of their testimonies. Ironically, ZAKA is itself linked to systematic sexual abuse within the Orthodox community.

So, no, there is no possible "balanced" way we can say that these accusations are objective or even established. That does not mean we don't need to pay attention to it. But as the UN acknowledged: this process will take a long time and Israel's systematic barring of proper forensic investigation only delays this process. Interesting, no?

Meanwhile there is a pile of objective evidence that Israeli forces have been engaging in systematic sexual violence against Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. That same UN official who wrote the report wished to open inquiries into these instances as well but was immediately politically shunned for this. The UN has previously this year also legitimized reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli forces raped Palestinian detainees:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

So if we're gonna talk about this, let's actually talk about this instead of throwing it around to justify lame opinions.

Gosh I never thought I'd be reading rape apologia/denial on GGD out of all places. First of all, in general proving rape mostly relies on first-hand accounts, witnesses and testimonies including from victims themselves, but in this case, the mission observed other types of evidence as well:

"The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232."

"In the medicolegal assessment undertaken by the mission team of available photos and videos of crime scenes, a few corpses with conspicuously spread legs were observed. These postures could not be adequately explained by, for instance, “postmortem pugilistic posturing” due to burn damage. The reviewed photos and videos further revealed a minimum of twenty corpses with partially or fully exposed intimate body parts such as breasts and genitalia, resulting from the absence, displacement, or tearing of clothing. Also, at least ten distinct corpses displayed indications of bound wrists and/or tied legs."

The report is actually pretty thorough and clarifies which allegations are founded and which are not.

Crazy how y'all love to quote the U.N whenever they criticize Israel, but the moment they confirm occurrence of rape on October 7th, suddenly they're not reliable anymore.

[PartySick 146,608]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

 

Y'all, I cannot with you two

Here is the actual UN report:

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

They plainly admit the evidence so far is limited to eyewitnesses, and that there is no material or verifiable evidence at this point, only circumstantial. More importantly, they acknowledge the challenge of interpreting this evidence, as the majority of information they were allowed to study was sourced by Israeli institutions themselves. Israel still chooses to not collaborate with UN investigation bodies.

Note also here:

"The mission team examined several allegations of sexual violence. It must be noted that
witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously. Some also stated to the mission team that they no longer felt confident in their recollections of other assertions that had appeared in the media. ... At least two of the allegations of sexual violence previously reported were determined by the mission team to be unfounded, due to either new superseding information or inconsistency in the information gathered, including first responder testimonies, photographic evidence and other information."

The New York Times piece has been the subject of massive debunking in recent months and is absolutely not trustworthy. The relatives of the victims referenced in it retracted their story and some of the people interviewed later exposed the author for repeatedly pressuring them into giving statements in favor of Israel.

The main information of that piece comes from Israeli veterans and the very untrustworthy ZAKA organization. It has since been revealed that journalists are not even allowed to access the details of their testimonies. Ironically, ZAKA is itself linked to systematic sexual abuse within the Orthodox community.

So, no, there is no possible "balanced" way we can say that these accusations are objective or even established. That does not mean we don't need to pay attention to it. But as the UN acknowledged: this process will take a long time and Israel's systematic barring of proper forensic investigation only delays this process. Interesting, no?

Meanwhile there is a pile of objective evidence that Israeli forces have been engaging in systematic sexual violence against Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. That same UN official who wrote the report wished to open inquiries into these instances as well but was immediately politically shunned for this. The UN has previously this year also legitimized reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli forces raped Palestinian detainees:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

So if we're gonna talk about this, let's actually talk about this instead of throwing it around to justify lame opinions.

 

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

Gosh I never thought I'd be reading rape apologia/denial on GGD out of all places. First of all, in general proving rape mostly relies on first-hand accounts, witnesses and testimonies including from victims themselves, but in this case, the mission observed other types of evidence as well:

"The mission team also found a pattern of bound naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down, in some cases tied to structures including trees and poles, along Road 232."

"In the medicolegal assessment undertaken by the mission team of available photos and videos of crime scenes, a few corpses with conspicuously spread legs were observed. These postures could not be adequately explained by, for instance, “postmortem pugilistic posturing” due to burn damage. The reviewed photos and videos further revealed a minimum of twenty corpses with partially or fully exposed intimate body parts such as breasts and genitalia, resulting from the absence, displacement, or tearing of clothing. Also, at least ten distinct corpses displayed indications of bound wrists and/or tied legs."

The report is actually pretty thorough and clarifies which allegations are founded and which are not.

Crazy how y'all love to quote the U.N whenever they criticize Israel, but the moment they confirm occurrence of rape on October 7th, suddenly they're not reliable anymore.

Would actually prefer if you guys didn't argue about the rape thing please.

Both of you were reported and we decided to let it go since you're having a relatively civil discussion and you both have valid reasons backed up by official sources for your stances but this subject specifically is a bit much imo.

Not gonna stop you from having the discussion if you really desire, just politely and personally asking you to discuss something else

[Ronlop 6,882]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

 

Y'all, I cannot with you two

Here is the actual UN report:

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

They plainly admit the evidence so far is limited to eyewitnesses, and that there is no material or verifiable evidence at this point, only circumstantial. More importantly, they acknowledge the challenge of interpreting this evidence, as the majority of information they were allowed to study was sourced by Israeli institutions themselves. Israel still chooses to not collaborate with UN investigation bodies.

Note also here:

"The mission team examined several allegations of sexual violence. It must be noted that
witnesses and sources with whom the mission team engaged adopted over time an increasingly cautious and circumspect approach regarding past accounts, including in some cases retracting statements made previously. Some also stated to the mission team that they no longer felt confident in their recollections of other assertions that had appeared in the media. ... At least two of the allegations of sexual violence previously reported were determined by the mission team to be unfounded, due to either new superseding information or inconsistency in the information gathered, including first responder testimonies, photographic evidence and other information."

The New York Times piece has been the subject of massive debunking in recent months and is absolutely not trustworthy. The relatives of the victims referenced in it retracted their story and some of the people interviewed later exposed the author for repeatedly pressuring them into giving statements in favor of Israel.

The main information of that piece comes from Israeli veterans and the very untrustworthy ZAKA organization. It has since been revealed that journalists are not even allowed to access the details of their testimonies. Ironically, ZAKA is itself linked to systematic sexual abuse within the Orthodox community.

So, no, there is no possible "balanced" way we can say that these accusations are objective or even established. That does not mean we don't need to pay attention to it. But as the UN acknowledged: this process will take a long time and Israel's systematic barring of proper forensic investigation only delays this process. Interesting, no?

Meanwhile there is a pile of objective evidence that Israeli forces have been engaging in systematic sexual violence against Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. That same UN official who wrote the report wished to open inquiries into these instances as well but was immediately politically shunned for this. The UN has previously this year also legitimized reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli forces raped Palestinian detainees:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

So if we're gonna talk about this, let's actually talk about this instead of throwing it around to justify lame opinions.

I mean the formal conclusion literally indicates a reasonable basis to believe the rape occurred.

 I don't see why you'd dismiss eyewitness accounts, which are commonly relied upon in rape cases. How is that suddenly not credible enough? There are also not just eyewitnesses but also testimonies from multiple women, including Amit Sousana who was held captive by Hamas, which provided detail of how Hamas used rape as a weapon. The demonization of Israelis is so insane that the assumption is that they are lying by default or are agents of the Israeli regime. Also, as @Dennis pointed out, there's additional evidence beyond just eyewitness testimony in the actual report if that's not enough for you.

I'm not sure how all of this led you to dismiss it completely, as you claimed there is "no evidence for this". Don't you find your conclusion, said with such certainty, to be quite wild given everything that's been presented thus far? Your insistence on discrediting or downplaying these allegations is appalling.