The possibility of Justin's Believe tour out grossing the BTWB? Update

[Saeed 1,937]

Too many preteen girls in this world.

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

You didnt even post an argument. And Houston is one show genius, you claimed almost every NA show is not sold out. Which is wrong. Why dont you try finding facts on your own and stop sounding stupid.

And stating that NA isnt the only touring market is a good argument, since that means if Bieber beats Gaga in NA he still wont out gross her in total.

So, to conclude...you should try being a little more intelligent. I know its tough but you can try.

Someone on the internet telling someone else to be intelligent. That's funny.

I see that you're getting a little butt-hurt over this argument, so I won't say much.

But what I will say is that in defense of my side of this argument, I just checked 5 random BTWB shows on TicketMaster, and each one had many sections with seats available. So bam-there's my argument.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Lady Gaga stan and I believe the BTWB is one of the best concert tours ever. I'm just not delusional like you.

And since you concluded your post with a stab at my intelligence, I feel obligated to let you know that I'm an all A student as well as Editor-in-Chief of my school's yearbook. I believe I don't have to "try" and be intelligent.

:ohwell:

[Griffin 6]

Lol, you're completely wrong.

I'm going to Houston's show tonight and there are still seats available in nearly every section.

Learn your facts.

:toofunny:

there's a difference between sold out and full house.

"sold out" refers to generating enough money through stock (ticket sales) to cover the costs of everything, and in turn, make a profit. two people could go to the Houston show tonight, pay a million dollars each and the show would be considered a sell out.

"full house" refers to all seats and space in GA being full, and the venue being filled to capacity.

[Mansurf 0]

at the end of the tour , 170 millions Maximum . the average per show in europe will be maximum 1,3 millions per show .

in europe he can have 60-65 millions

i think he will finish the tour in U.S.A . so no more dates. australians and asians dont care about him

and 1D sold more album than him . in less than 2 month .

[nick4bty 2,758]

Someone on the internet telling someone else to be intelligent. That's funny.

I see that you're getting a little butt-hurt over this argument, so I won't say much.

But what I will say is that in defense of my side of this argument, I just checked 5 random BTWB shows on TicketMaster, and each one had many sections with seats available. So bam-there's my argument.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Lady Gaga stan and I believe the BTWB is one of the best concert tours ever. I'm just not delusional like you.

And since you concluded your post with a stab at my intelligence, I feel obligated to let you know that I'm an all A student as well as Editor-in-Chief of my school's yearbook. I believe I don't have to "try" and be intelligent.

Lol. You're defending an argument you know nothing about. You're so wrong yet you're so determined that you're right :lmao:

[hausofandrew 105]

He's not gonna outgross. Close the thread.

This forum is about Gaga, not Bieber.

[HausOfBee 0]

at the end of the tour , 170 millions Maximum . the average per show in europe will be maximum 1,3 millions per show .

in europe he can have 60-65 millions

i think he will finish the tour in U.S.A . so no more dates. australians and asians dont care about him

and 1D sold more album than him . in less than 2 month .

He said he was going to Asia and Austrailia. It's smart for him to come back for another US leg because summer concerts are the easiest to sell, especially with his main demographic being out of school. And he does have a large following in Asia and Australia, he toured some of the same places Gaga did with the BTWBALL on his first tour and will likely do more dates this time. Just because One Direction is selling better than him doesn't mean he can't sell out concerts, unlike One Direction his singles have all done well.

[alejandroscunt 0]

He's not gonna outgross. Close the thread.

This forum is about Gaga, not Bieber.

You don't need to be so negative about other artists the point of the thread was to discuss the possibility not to be negative and critical about anyone that's not gaga.

[hausofandrew 105]

You don't need to be so negative about other artists the point of the thread was to discuss the possibility not to be negative and critical about anyone that's not gaga.

lol?

When I was critical? He's not going to outgross the Ball wit his current tour. What is to discuss?

[Mansurf 0]

He said he was going to Asia and Austrailia. It's smart for him to come back for another US leg because summer concerts are the easiest to sell, especially with his main demographic being out of school. And he does have a large following in Asia and Australia, he toured some of the same places Gaga did with the BTWBALL on his first tour and will likely do more dates this time. Just because One Direction is selling better than him doesn't mean he can't sell out concerts, unlike One Direction his singles have all done well.

Yes , but he's not that big Believe is only Gold in australia . he sold 2,4 m and 70 % of her sales are in U.S and canada .

he can't touch the gross of Gaga in Asia/Australia .

Gaga has sold 1 millions only in Japan,Australia

[PaperIz 7,338]

he has the legion of horny teenage girls thing going for him, so I'm not surprised.

[StrawberryBlond 14,527]

I have to admit, I've been wondering the same thing. I really didn't expect his tour to do as well as it has considering his commercial performance on a worldwide scale. Even though he's been struggling to make an honest sell out in most of his US leg, to turn out $45 million at the end of it is still an acheievement. I was rather baffled when he announced a second US leg later in the year, because he struggled to sell out a lot of the arenas on the initial leg, so why would he sell out another batch of arenas, some in the exact same areas that he struggled to sell out? If all these people weren't interested the first time around, why would they be this time? Even worse, he's actually planned for bigger arenas in states he's already visited, even though he couldn't sell out the first time around. For example, he was supposed to play to a total of 37,000 people over two dates at the Allstate Arena in Illinois and he only managed just over 27,000...yet, he's going to back to Illinois in July to play a date at the 23,500 capacity United Center. He was supposed to play to 40,000 people over two dates at the Staples Center, but only managed just over 27,000....yet, he's going to do another two dates at the Staples Center in June. As well as another two California dates, even though he's already done five arena gigs that he couldn't sll out. Lastly, he did an stadium gig in Toronto that he couldn't sell out and yet, he's signed up to do another two arenas in Tornoto later in the year. I really want to grab hold of his concert organisers and shake them vigourously.

I can tell you that he will majorly struggle when he starts his European leg, though. He only sold about 131,000 copies of Believe in the UK and it fell out the top 100 last week, after just 32 weeks. His last two singles didn't even crack top ten. Despite this, he's got 11 UK arenas to fill, including 4 nights at the 20,000 capacity O2 Arena. Then there's the rest of Europe: 2 dates in Spain and 1 in Portugal, even though both countries are going through a recession right now. 6 arenas in Germany where his album peaked at #3, which baffles me beyond belief. And worst misjudgement of the century - 2 arenas in Russia, where his album peaked at #25.

It remains to be seen if he'll do stadium gigs in Africa and Latin America. He didn't do as well as expected with Latin stadiums with his last tour, even though his tickets were absurdly cheap. He could well just do one stadium in Brazil and one in Mexico and leave it at that. Still no Australian or Asian dates to be seen, even though he promised them. He's only been selling well because his tickets are so cheap. If they were priced like Gaga's, shows would be cancelled left and right due to parents not willing to pay several hundred dollars for a nosebleed seat to see Justin Beiber of all people.

[bumblebee 2,528]

A comment on the update by Mr. alejandrosJames Blunt:

Gross sales, or simply gross is an index which is based on two components: TCKET PRICE x NUMBER OF TICKETS SOLD

As for the ticket price, it has been said before so many times here. His average ticket price turned out to be lower than Gaga's gross per ticket, so the only way his tour can demonstrate higher gross sales is by overtaking Gaga in ticket sales.

It's not that it is impossible, it's all about the number of tickets sold, and we have to wait till June to get the full info on his Europe leg and then generate some thoughts

[HausOfBee 0]

I have to admit, I've been wondering the same thing. I really didn't expect his tour to do as well as it has considering his commercial performance on a worldwide scale. Even though he's been struggling to make an honest sell out in most of his US leg, to turn out $45 million at the end of it is still an acheievement. I was rather baffled when he announced a second US leg later in the year, because he struggled to sell out a lot of the arenas on the initial leg, so why would he sell out another batch of arenas, some in the exact same areas that he struggled to sell out? If all these people weren't interested the first time around, why would they be this time? Even worse, he's actually planned for bigger arenas in states he's already visited, even though he couldn't sell out the first time around. For example, he was supposed to play to a total of 37,000 people over two dates at the Allstate Arena in Illinois and he only managed just over 27,000...yet, he's going to back to Illinois in July to play a date at the 23,500 capacity United Center. He was supposed to play to 40,000 people over two dates at the Staples Center, but only managed just over 27,000....yet, he's going to do another two dates at the Staples Center in June. As well as another two California dates, even though he's already done five arena gigs that he couldn't sll out. Lastly, he did an stadium gig in Toronto that he couldn't sell out and yet, he's signed up to do another two arenas in Tornoto later in the year. I really want to grab hold of his concert organisers and shake them vigourously.

I can tell you that he will majorly struggle when he starts his European leg, though. He only sold about 131,000 copies of Believe in the UK and it fell out the top 100 last week, after just 32 weeks. His last two singles didn't even crack top ten. Despite this, he's got 11 UK arenas to fill, including 4 nights at the 20,000 capacity O2 Arena. Then there's the rest of Europe: 2 dates in Spain and 1 in Portugal, even though both countries are going through a recession right now. 6 arenas in Germany where his album peaked at #3, which baffles me beyond belief. And worst misjudgement of the century - 2 arenas in Russia, where his album peaked at #25.

It remains to be seen if he'll do stadium gigs in Africa and Latin America. He didn't do as well as expected with Latin stadiums with his last tour, even though his tickets were absurdly cheap. He could well just do one stadium in Brazil and one in Mexico and leave it at that. Still no Australian or Asian dates to be seen, even though he promised them. He's only been selling well because his tickets are so cheap. If they were priced like Gaga's, shows would be cancelled left and right due to parents not willing to pay several hundred dollars for a nosebleed seat to see Justin Beiber of all people.

Where are you getting the info that he struggled to sell out so many dates? When his tickets went on sale it was reported the entire US leg sold out the same day (not in seconds like his fans said). His box scores have all been reported as sell outs and pics from his shows seem like they are more packed than Gaga has been in NA (Toronto also looked packed, he performed to over 40,000 there). I'm not sure about Europe because I don't live there, but I know here in America he is a big draw as a touring artist and his team knows to capitalize on the summer touring market here in the US with him.

[Morina 0]

Someone on the internet telling someone else to be intelligent. That's funny.

I see that you're getting a little butt-hurt over this argument, so I won't say much.

But what I will say is that in defense of my side of this argument, I just checked 5 random BTWB shows on TicketMaster, and each one had many sections with seats available. So bam-there's my argument.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Lady Gaga stan and I believe the BTWB is one of the best concert tours ever. I'm just not delusional like you.

And since you concluded your post with a stab at my intelligence, I feel obligated to let you know that I'm an all A student as well as Editor-in-Chief of my school's yearbook. I believe I don't have to "try" and be intelligent.

So everyone on the internet automatically is stupid? Is that what you are saying?

And you are bragging about getting an A in HIGH SCHOOL? Get out of here with that. High school is a ****ing joke when it comes to grading.

:toofunny:

there's a difference between sold out and full house.

"sold out" refers to generating enough money through stock (ticket sales) to cover the costs of everything, and in turn, make a profit. two people could go to the Houston show tonight, pay a million dollars each and the show would be considered a sell out.

"full house" refers to all seats and space in GA being full, and the venue being filled to capacity.

Read this post maybe you might learn something.