Canada Announced Immigration Cuts To Deal With Housing Crisis

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1 hour ago, Pennywise said:

Can someone explain to me why the housing crises around the world cannot be solved by… building affordable housing? I know it can’t be solved in the US because most Americans are dumb ****s who freak out in a Red Scare fashion when they see actual apartment buildings, but why not everywhere else? 

We could have just made a world where we can all vibe and chill with each other but instead we did...all this lmao

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1 hour ago, Pennywise said:

Can someone explain to me why the housing crises around the world cannot be solved by… building affordable housing? I know it can’t be solved in the US because most Americans are dumb ****s who freak out in a Red Scare fashion when they see actual apartment buildings, but why not everywhere else? 

Loads of reasons, sadly. Politicians try to boil it down to “just build” but it’s more complex.

It’s not as profitable from a developer standpoint. And even then, home building is expensive because of labor and resource shortages. You also need the investors to get the construction company going. 

Canada is also an urban-leaning country, despite the ideas of it being rural and open. It is cheapish to buy a house in extremely rural areas, there’s plenty of land to do so. But realistically all the jobs and facilities are only in maybe 5 major urban areas. That’s drastically smaller than the US, and means most homes have to built in very dense areas.

There’s NIMBYism on multiple levels too. Obviously people don’t want their small towns expanded on, though I think there’s some acceptance now.
There’s also some push back from environmentalists, who are also complaining about using pockets of green space for home building.

The idea of getting the government to pay for affordable home building would be a huge cost. There’s some tax initiatives in place but it’s too little too late.

I think it’s going to take some regulation cutting, reduced immigration and the boomer generation to sell/pass their homes down. 

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On 3/21/2024 at 11:12 PM, LaLa said:

oh believe me, many many Canadians would rather die (well they'd rather other people die ) than allow an apartment building in their neighbourhood. I live in a mid-sized city and my city council meetings are truly deranged 

Yup. Hence why i included Nimby ism in my list above of problems.

 

Never understimate the Influence of Karens at city hall.

 

My wife for example lived beside a plot of land where a condo was supposed to be built and after 5 years of battle they shut it down. Ppl didnt want that plot of grass gone. And this is a high density zone area with other buildings (Bloor and Dixie area in Mississauga if you know it) its not like a condo would be out of place there.

 

I get ppl dont wanna loose ambience but at this point its a luxury. Struggling people need housing more badly than home owners who want their neighbourhood to look beautiful. 

 

Its a legitimate concern to sacrafice some green space but priorities have to be made. And there are some beautiful trails nearby. Ppl can walk an extra 5 minutes to them. Its not like loosing that plot of grass was gonna deprive them of being able to experience nature

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9 hours ago, GagaSine said:

The thing is plenty of skilled and educated immigrants do come over and then are forced into undesirable jobs because their previous experience and education counts for nothing bc it isn't domestic, or their english isn't perfect or what have you.

Both my parents are highly educated and had great jobs in communist Poland, meanwhile in Canada my dad has been a taxi driver and pizza delivery guy for nearly 20 years (he worked briefly in traffic control but the company went bankrupt) and my mom worked at a wafer factory for 15 years and went back to college to become a personal support worker. She's 65, has cancer and struggles to lift one arm and yet she is lifting and caring for people her age or even younger sometimes for essentially minimum wage.

The job market here is just garbage. Most young and educated Canadians leave because the pay in other countries is much better.

This! I said the same above. Too many road blocks

 

I do think we should take in more construction workers tho. Thats in demand and there should be fewer barriers for immigrants to resume such careers here than jobs that require degrees

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On 3/21/2024 at 11:31 PM, Natalia Kills said:

Loads of reasons, sadly. Politicians try to boil it down to “just build” but it’s more complex.

It’s not as profitable from a developer standpoint. And even then, home building is expensive because of labor and resource shortages. You also need the investors to get the construction company going. 

Canada is also an urban-leaning country, despite the ideas of it being rural and open. It is cheapish to buy a house in extremely rural areas, there’s plenty of land to do so. But realistically all the jobs and facilities are only in maybe 5 major urban areas. That’s drastically smaller than the US, and means most homes have to built in very dense areas.

There’s NIMBYism on multiple levels too. Obviously people don’t want their small towns expanded on, though I think there’s some acceptance now.
There’s also some push back from environmentalists, who are also complaining about using pockets of green space for home building.

The idea of getting the government to pay for affordable home building would be a huge cost. There’s some tax initiatives in place but it’s too little too late.

I think it’s going to take some regulation cutting, reduced immigration and the boomer generation to sell/pass their homes down. 

I dont think the last one matters as long as overall population is still growing

 

We label generations by name and categories but its not like they all buy, sell and die all at once in a lump sum. Its a constant rolling door and if the generation of home buying years is growing faster than boomers are selling or dying (to to immigration making that possible despite lpw birth rates) demand will keep rising

 

For perspective in Canada Millenials recently surpassed Boomers in numbers. So as I said, a constant rolling door

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 It's amazing how we've gone from businesses building "model villages" & government building Medium to High density terraced Housing to the hellscape we have now. 

Feels like we've regressed from recognising that if we want workers we need to:
1) Make work pay
2) Treat work with respect
3) Ensure workers can live 

Like even fuedalism provided more for it's workers than the neoliberal hellscape the 80s ushered in. 

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19 hours ago, GagaSine said:

The thing is plenty of skilled and educated immigrants do come over and then are forced into undesirable jobs because their previous experience and education counts for nothing bc it isn't domestic, or their english isn't perfect or what have you.

Both my parents are highly educated and had great jobs in communist Poland, meanwhile in Canada my dad has been a taxi driver and pizza delivery guy for nearly 20 years (he worked briefly in traffic control but the company went bankrupt) and my mom worked at a wafer factory for 15 years and went back to college to become a personal support worker. She's 65, has cancer and struggles to lift one arm and yet she is lifting and caring for people her age or even younger sometimes for essentially minimum wage.

The job market here is just garbage. Most young and educated Canadians leave because the pay in other countries is much better.

Unpopular opinion but Canada is over educated. Saw a whole mini educational video on this concept

 

Software programers, engineers etc are highly productive jobs but u only need so many in an economy. U still need a lot of regular people to do regular jobs.

 

Canada has on over supply of colledge degrees but a labor shortage of construction workers for example that doesnt require nearly as much education

 

Canada does have one of the highest rates of degrees in the world. It may simply be too much and unneeded yet society pushes for it

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On 3/21/2024 at 9:56 PM, Economy said:

Its not that were taking in uber drivers or warehouse workers. Its that roadblocks to proffessions end up making over qualified immigrants often stuck in these low skill jobs

 

That's such a counterproductive system then. In any case, the system is flawed and needs to change asap. 

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4 hours ago, Delulu Rogers said:

That's such a counterproductive system then. In any case, the system is flawed and needs to change asap. 

It kinda is. Private companies dont usually take non Canadian experience or education as seriously especially if its from a developing or 3rd world country (where most immigrants come from)

 

But even the government, doctors for example face some major re training if they wanna practice tho i get for proffessions such as this.

 

We should take in more skills trades people and construction workers tbh. Those should face fewer barriers to practice their proffession as its a lower education requirement field and we desperately need them.

 

It also shouldnt be hard to get applicants as construction is very average pay in much of the world but in Canada it pays a lot due to chronic shortage