Original ARTPOP Vision Would Have Ruined Gaga's Career

[Ronnie 5,437]

She was already close to being cancelled by the GP anyway but imagine if the DWUW & MANiCURE videos were to have been released...... they would have ended her. She would not be where she's at today if those final and career saving decisions were not to have been made. Let's celebrate what we got and move on.

[Dayman 5,989]

Strongly disagree. Antics like that people ate up at that time. Just look at Miley taking the spotlight for the “wild” image. I don’t think it would have ruined her career in the slightest - definitely would have given it a potentially different trajectory, but I don’t think it would have been for better or worse.

[VOLANTIS 16,316]

6 minutes ago, Dayman said:

Strongly disagree. Antics like that people ate up at that time. Just look at Miley taking the spotlight for the “wild” image. I don’t think it would have ruined her career in the slightest - definitely would have given it a potentially different trajectory, but I don’t think it would have been for better or worse.

This exactly. Bangerz was peak and if Gaga played her cards AP would have been even more successful than the BTW era bc one thing Gaga used to do quite well was play into risks and make it work for her. Instead her and her team decided to tame it down so hard that AP kinda fell into an uncontrollable sinkhole. 

It really was her playing it safe with something so bold that eventually broke the camel's back. 

[AnglerfishbraBENUS 5,611]

3 minutes ago, VOLANTIS said:

This exactly. Bangerz was peak and if Gaga played her cards AP would have been even more successful than the BTW era bc one thing Gaga used to do quite well was play into risks and make it work for her. Instead her and her team decided to tame it down so hard that AP kinda fell into an uncontrollable sinkhole. 

It really was her playing it safe with something so bold that eventually broke the camel's back. 

she didn’t need to do this though - that’s the thing. she got attention just by having amazing songs and great looks / ideas. We didn’t need the first X rated music video to cement her legacy

[edengowon 9,956]

i don't think so, i think it would've been hugely controversial at the time but i think it would've only improved and increased her prestige today. considering how people are reflecting on 2000s/early 2010s celebrity culture now, and then reading over the potential script for the manicure video, i think it would've seen ARTPOP viewed as even more ahead of its time, with projects like the manicure video and a whole second act of more commercially risky music only adding to her repertoire of projects that would be viewed as amazingly abstract and incredibly intelligent a few years later.

[Plastic Flower 3,821]

I'm grateful none of that happened. I can't imagine going from BTW to what would've been The Fame part 3.

[Maxine Puth 9,052]

2 minutes ago, AnglerfishbraBENUS said:

she didn’t need to do this though - that’s the thing. she got attention just by having amazing songs and great looks / ideas. We didn’t need the first X rated music video to cement her legacy

We also didn’t need to see her spend 13 episodes of a series slitting people’s throats, drinking blood and ****ing every ten minutes like a rabbit but that happened and didn’t ruin her career.  idk why we’re all of the sudden acting like her being X rated would’ve / has ruined her career 

[AnglerfishbraBENUS 5,611]

1 minute ago, Maxine Puth said:

We also didn’t need to see her spend 13 episodes of a series slitting people’s throats, drinking blood and ****ing every ten minutes like a rabbit but that happened and didn’t ruin her career.  idk why we’re all of the sudden acting like her being X rated would’ve / has ruined her career 

i think that’s different lol

[Ronnie 5,437]

32 minutes ago, Dayman said:

Strongly disagree. Antics like that people ate up at that time. Just look at Miley taking the spotlight for the “wild” image. I don’t think it would have ruined her career in the slightest - definitely would have given it a potentially different trajectory, but I don’t think it would have been for better or worse.

Agree to disagree. The Bangerz era was a normal day for Gaga. Miley cutting off her hair, shaking her ass, and sticking out her tongue was a departure from her earlier stuff sure, but by no means groundbreaking. The album was really well received and that saved her.

DWUW video, MANiCURE video, Princess Die, etc. were scrapped because even they knew they were bad news.

[Ronnie 5,437]

7 minutes ago, Maxine Puth said:

We also didn’t need to see her spend 13 episodes of a series slitting people’s throats, drinking blood and ****ing every ten minutes like a rabbit but that happened and didn’t ruin her career.  idk why we’re all of the sudden acting like her being X rated would’ve / has ruined her career 

HAHAHAHA girl. That was a character on a show that was already known to be raunchy. Light years difference from someone's own personal image. 

[tylerjs 5,503]

I honestly think you have a point tbh. Yes, the GP was already “used to” Gaga doing outlandish and shocking things. But, she was already pushing herself in a very volatile corner. After the church turned on her fully with Judas, it was a public pushback. Gaga was allowed to be controversial up til then, but they generally were finding it to be too far in a lot of ways especially since she was so controversial while being so overexposed that she was really falling out of the GP’s favor. With ARTPOP, it was a good reset point where she could come back as the Gaga they understood, but she was trying to really do some extreeemely controversial concepts with ARTPOP and they would have absolutely turned on her for good in my opinion. Miley struggled to fall back into their favor after Bagerz and it really wasn’t even that wild of a concept. If Gaga had pushed too far with concepts like assault & self-harm in very literal and admittedly disturbing ways as she intended, especially on top of how not-ready the public was for ARTPOP at its current state, it would have been 100% over

[Ronnie 5,437]

11 minutes ago, Melancholia said:

i don't think so, i think it would've been hugely controversial at the time but i think it would've only improved and increased her prestige today. considering how people are reflecting on 2000s/early 2010s celebrity culture now, and then reading over the potential script for the manicure video, i think it would've seen ARTPOP viewed as even more ahead of its time, with projects like the manicure video and a whole second act of more commercially risky music only adding to her repertoire of projects that would be viewed as amazingly abstract and incredibly intelligent a few years later.

Cancel culture is alive and well. That's why she removed DWUW from the album. I can't even imagine the back lash from the video. And as far as the MANiCURE video treatment goes.... Charlie Sheen and Sesame Street characters having sex!? It's just trash. It's controversial just for the sake of it. If she would have survived it at that time then she wouldn't have made it in current times. Cancel culture is VERY unforgiving.

[Maxine Puth 9,052]

12 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

HAHAHAHA girl. That was a character on a show that was already known to be raunchy. Light years difference from someone's own personal image. 

Were you a Gaga / AHS stan back then? Because you’d know no one gave a **** about The Countess  For better or worse at that time everyone saw that as Gaga on screen, that was her personal image. No one said “wow that character Gaga is playing is crazy” it was always “there goes Gaga again covered in blood and ****ing, doing Gaga things” 

My point is just because you wouldn’t want to see these videos, doesn’t mean you need to build some narrative that she just barely slid past cancel culture with her choices. Gaga has done risky things before and has bit the bullet before too. But she can and has survived this industry because she actually has talent and is an artistic genius among her peers regardless of whether she’s doing X rated films or performing in front of the Oscars. If she had put out the DWUW music video, yeah sure she would’ve taken it down eventually and apologized just like the song, but you can’t honestly tell me she wouldn’t have a career right now lol. 

[tylerjs 5,503]

3 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Cancel culture is alive and well. That's why she removed DWUW from the album. I can't even imagine the back lash from the video. And as far as the MANiCURE video treatment goes.... Charlie Sheen and Sesame Street characters having sex!? It's just trash. It's controversial just for the sake of it. If she would have survived it at that time then she wouldn't have made it in current times. Cancel culture is VERY unforgiving.

I think that her being at a very uncharted and disturbed point in her life, those artistic choices could be considered understandable. But the truth is that some things just shouldn’t be created for others to see and understand. I can see the creative anguish in these deleted videos and I’m not saying I condone their contents but it is noteworthy that these were her way of explaining and expressing those intense, disturbing, unnerving feelings she was experiencing. I think she did ultimately make the right decision in identifying that the public was not ready to or desiring to receive that content, which is completely validated 

[DrKindnessKunt1999 5,735]

Part of me likes to think that the DWUW music video wouldn’t have existed if her original plans came to through. Since making DWUW a single seemed pretty last minute because of its success.

But I do feel like she would have been dragged for Aura. Keep in mind, that was her choice as a first single at one point. People would have dragged her for being a white woman in a burqa/controversial music video sexualizing burqas. 
 

If we talk about her original original plans then the Azealia Banks collabs wouldn’t have looked good either.