Snejana 1,024 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 59 minutes ago, Lukas96 said: what I meant was that racially motivated hate crimes within Argentina are relatively rare. Hate speech is unfotunately more common, and in some ways harder to erradicate, specially when political figures validate them. I'm sure you had the same problem with your former president. You're right about the Napalpi massacre, recently the state was found guilty for crimes against humanity after a long trial and the Qom people were finally given justice. The same happened for one under Peron's government. On the other point you brought up, about immigration, frequently interacting with immigrants in university and my work place, that experience has lessened for them and outside of the Metropolitan Buenos Aires Area it's less agressive. Big cities have that contradictory combination of extreme diversity coupled with extreme hate. We fully agree here, our region is EXTREMELY complex when it comes to racism and the forms it takes. ooh thats fair, now i get what you were trying to say about racially motivated hate crimes, sorry for the misunderstanding and i fully agree abt hate speech being harder to erradicate due to its pervasive nature, especially here where racial stereotypes are culturally accepted and reinforced. also im glad the Qom people found justice after such a long time and that immigrants are facing less prejudice (Brazil still has a lot of work to do in both areas). well, b0ls0n4r0 basically amplified what was already there and almost nullified every progress Brazil achieved in the last 30 years. Racial relations here in our region are so layered and complex, each country and even states within the same country have its own peculiarities, its impossible to generalize or to fully discuss them in a ggd thread lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Snejana said: ooh thats fair, now i get what you were trying to say about racially motivated hate crimes, sorry for the misunderstanding and i fully agree abt hate speech being harder to erradicate due to its pervasive nature, especially here where racial stereotypes are culturally accepted and reinforced. also im glad the Qom people found justice after such a long time and that immigrants are facing less prejudice (Brazil still has a lot of work to do in both areas). well, b0ls0n4r0 basically amplified what was already there and almost nullified every progress Brazil achieved in the last 30 years. Racial relations here in our region are so layered and complex, each country and even states within the same country have its own peculiarities, its impossible to generalize or to fully discuss them in a ggd thread lmao I know, someone brought my country up and went with the bs n*zi argument (when literally half of South America had n*zi fugitives at one point or another) so I had to, not defend, but bring nuance to the conversation in some way. It always happens when someone brings racial dynamics in LATAM up, they're too complex. Even if you live in the country, they're hard to fully grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snejana 1,024 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lukas96 said: I know, someone brought my country up and went with the bs n*zi argument (when literally half of South America had n*zi fugitives at one point or another) so I had to, not defend, but bring nuance to the conversation in some way. not the n*zi argument, but you're right those POS unfortunately were everywhere and they knew how to hide from the gov (mengele for example died in sao paulo), its completely ludicrous to blame a whole nation bc some n*zi war criminal pigs decided to hide here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,545 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Oriane said: No matter how racist France is, it cannot be higher than the US I agree with Switzerland though (not sure I'd put it above the US either) I'd believe it, actually A lot of American racism is engrained in the fiber of our society. It's systemic but overt acts of bigotry are massively frowned upon by actual people, even in conservative areas. With the exception being towards "aliens" (immigrants from south and central America). Growing up in the south kinda gave me a weird perspective of it all. These people do not want Mexicans and South Americans in the US but that infamous American friendliness means if you isolate them from their MAGA crowds, they'll happily accept anybody for any reason. Meanwhile, a lot of those European countries have quickly become so violently anti-migrant, specifically towards middle eastern people. I'm not sure about the scope but it seems the people are driving that, not antiquated systems like in the US. In other words, I think the US is demonstrably more systemically racist but the people in France are more directly racist. I'm actually surprised China and Japan aren't on this list. They're notoriously racist as well Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Snejana said: not the n*zi argument, but you're right those POS unfortunately were everywhere and they knew how to hide from the gov (mengele for example died in sao paulo), its completely ludicrous to blame a whole nation bc some n*zi war criminal pigs decided to hide here Some people just don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) their own history and blame others instead. I mean, at least our nations didn't pardon them to use them in our own governments like some other countries did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat 6,162 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 I have black friends and they always say that they've experienced the most intense in-your-face racist behavior in India and Russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuffy 1,049 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Meat said: Aren’t these monoethnic countries though? Maybe they are colourist but can’t say racist when there are no other races to begin with. Edit: in India’s case I can understand because of the north eastern region being ostracised by the mainland. Japan has the Ainu people and China has over 50 racial/ethnic minorities which are persecuted quite extremely, especially Uyghurs. Plus, there's plenty of anti-Japanese/Chinese racism between each other, it's pretty sad. I wouldn't give a pass to Asian countries, if anything, there should be more scrutiny on them. It's arguably worse in non-western countries because it's so obvious but not discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,709 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 I'm kinda surprised Russia's not on there at all - I guess because Russian culture (especially now) is more insular and harder to probe, so people just don't know, but I think back to every conversation I had with russian people about race and every single one of them devolved into harmful racial stereotyping very quickly. They've really taken to Ragan administration's racist narratives. It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 8 hours ago, Lukas96 said: That's not true though... Over 40% of our population is mixed. And let's not even get into immigration in big cities like Buenos Aires. I know there's a vision of Argentina as a white country, but that's BS, SPECIALLY in the provinces. Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisguyN 616 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Ask this question to chat gpt and it will never give you an answer. And rightfully so. Reducing racism to a ranking is not helpful or accurate in any way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LOVEDRUG 11,269 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Delulu Rogers said: India, Japan, china, Korea should be top 4 i will say for countries such as japan, korea and china, their issue is primarily xenophobia due to their countries being so homogenous. in korea, pretty much anyone who isn't korean, including han chinese people, japanese people and other east asian ethnic groups, as well as europeans, africans, arabs, south asians etc., will face discrimination and prejudice. i believe it's fairly similar in japan, due to both countries being so insular for a long period of their history. the discussion around racism rarely takes into account xenophobia and how that can oftentimes be far more prevalent and widespread than actual racism. i know for a lot of european countries, xenophobia is a very serious issue, as i've encountered hateful and discriminatory political rhetoric here against eastern european and balkan ethnic groups just as much as those from outside of europe. "through all the tears and all the lies, i'm gonna dance until i feel alright" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEDRUG 11,269 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 4 hours ago, PartySick said: Meanwhile, a lot of those European countries have quickly become so violently anti-migrant, specifically towards middle eastern people. I'm not sure about the scope but it seems the people are driving that, not antiquated systems like in the US. In other words, I think the US is demonstrably more systemically racist but the people in France are more directly racist. i disagree. i think racism is becoming an increasingly serious issue over here, just this week i saw a clip of someone actively saying they cared more about ukrainian migrants than afghan ones, and outright refusing to say why, under the implication that it was because they were not white. however, i wouldn't say that most of the hatred over here is driven by the people, at least in the uk. the primary basis for these divisions here is definitely politics. anti-migrant political rhetoric was one of the things that led to one of the least politically informed and most impulsive decisions of this century; brexit. anywhere in the world, but especially in europe, if you blame migrants for your electorate's difficulty in finding employment, difficulty in finding social housing and difficulty in obtaining healthcare, it'll make the population far more anti-migrant. most people just aren't interested in tackling capitalism or government failures, and will happily eat up whichever scapegoat is thrown their way. i can't say for sure it's the same in france, but i'd imagine marine le pen and eric zemmour's anti-islam and anti-refugee campaigns have definitely played a role in the same rise in anti-migrant hatred over there, the same goes for orban in hungary, meloni in italy and so on. "through all the tears and all the lies, i'm gonna dance until i feel alright" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 hours ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: Just to be clear, I never said my country isn't racist. I also never said that any of what the video explains (with several mistakes) didn't happen. I said it fortunately was unsuccessful and our ethnic and cultural identity are definitely not white (which are also conclusions the video arrives to). Your comment was also on native Argentines, which I also adressed somewhere else and that this video doesn't , which also makes up an extrmeely important part of the racial dynamics within the country. And this video basically ignores the cultural resistance movement that Afro Argentines created in the 1900s that made sure their identity would be preserved in the country's culture itself. I get the point you're trying to make, but maybe an Afro Argentine, like Professor Miriam Gomes, is a better source than a youtube video made by an anonymous person. If you speak Spanish, this interview is great and she goes into details about what the afro identity in Argentina means today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaskar 4,027 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Melancholia said: i will say for countries such as japan, korea and china, their issue is primarily xenophobia due to their countries being so homogenous. in korea, pretty much anyone who isn't korean, including han chinese people, japanese people and other east asian ethnic groups, as well as europeans, africans, arabs, south asians etc., will face discrimination and prejudice. i believe it's fairly similar in japan, due to both countries being so insular for a long period of their history. the discussion around racism rarely takes into account xenophobia and how that can oftentimes be far more prevalent and widespread than actual racism. i know for a lot of european countries, xenophobia is a very serious issue, as i've encountered hateful and discriminatory political rhetoric here against eastern european and balkan ethnic groups just as much as those from outside of europe. I think this is a right perspective. For example in India, not racism but colorism and xenophobia is a main issue. People will stare at all foreigners - white or black. Dark skinned people, whether be Indian origin or african will face more issue irrespective of their race. Dark girls even more. No wonder fairness creams and products are a big part of cosmetic market. People are also xenophobic about China and that bais even affect Indian people from North-Eastern region. There's also religious issue and Muslims will face challenges.... whether that counts as racism or not I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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