SAG AFTRA Strike Started. Oppenheimer Cast Walked Out Of UK Premiere

[Gaga2645 2,092]

Who knew Gagadaily would have people against fair wages but I mean with the way things have been lately I’m not surprised? 

The people at the bottom of the pyramid deserve their fair share, once upon a time things were fair but obviously with inflation and the such theres an even more significant gap. Don’t be dense! 
And if you feel they don’t need to do this because YOU aren’t a part of a union … simply put there’s layers of projection there. Don’t be a bitter betty.

[CheapGin 558]

9 minutes ago, Natalia Kills said:

Chiming in here as a centrist, I agree with you on the benefits they provide to workers but it can be a double-edged sword. 

Action from unions can stifle innovation in companies who all need profit to grow/survive. R&D is known to decrease after unionization, which can affect consumers and technology too. They also limit manager's ability to judge employees solely performance, affecting the bottom line and slowing growth. It's quite common for companies to relocate entirely to a different state or country if labour action becomes too complex.

There's also some issues with fair promotions in certain unionized areas, with promotions often given to seniors over rising high-performers. Some unions have high fees and a complex internal politics, which makes it harder for staff who are squeezed between both their employer and their union.

So unions could, in some instances, be detrimental to certain people's careers.

Yes, the reaction from companies and billionaires is often to loophole re-shuffle and scramble to maintain the bottom line over the livelihoods of their workers.
 

This problem is not a reason to stifle worker organization it’s a reason to restructure how we look at labor and sustainability.

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4 minutes ago, Gaga2645 said:

Who knew Gagadaily would have people against fair wages but I mean with the way things have been lately I’m not surprised? 

The people at the bottom of the pyramid deserve their fair share, once upon a time things were fair but obviously with inflation and the such theres an even more significant gap. Don’t be dense! 
And if you feel they don’t need to do this because YOU aren’t a part of a union … simply put there’s layers of projection there. Don’t be a bitter betty.

MAGAga has arrived on the forum 

[Edonis 28,795]

Imagine logging on and directing your anger at the union workers asking for more fair work conditions as opposed to the companies that only see these people as expendable  

[nATAH 43,429]

3 hours ago, Better Day said:

Yes, the unions are just out to cause trouble. The actors are saying they are unpaid yet go out on strike and receive no money at all. Where is the logic? 

this can't be for real...

[Reginald 13,835]

39 minutes ago, CheapGin said:

MAGAga has arrived on the forum 

not Joe Germanotta having a GGD account  MESS 

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,354]

ok not to be insensitive because I totally support the strikes, but CBT FILM is safe because it’s not scripted and shot live and probably about finished editing right? RIGHT??

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[jimmytimestep 2,485]

57 minutes ago, Natalia Kills said:

Chiming in here as a centrist, I agree with you on the benefits they provide to workers but it can be a double-edged sword. 

Action from unions can stifle innovation in companies who all need profit to grow/survive. R&D is known to decrease after unionization, which can affect consumers and technology too. They also limit manager's ability to judge employees solely performance, affecting the bottom line and slowing growth. It's quite common for companies to relocate entirely to a different state or country if labour action becomes too complex.

There's also some issues with fair promotions in certain unionized areas, with promotions often given to seniors over rising high-performers. Some unions have high fees and a complex internal politics, which makes it harder for staff who are squeezed between both their employer and their union.

So unions could, in some instances, be detrimental to certain people's careers.

This is a union of freelance workers. Promotions and R&D are not relevant. Actors (and writers too, with some exceptions) are hired on a job by job basis. this negotiation with the AMPTP was to build a new collective bargaining agreement for the future with the motion picture producers, studios, and streamers on minimum terms for everything from what a single day of work should pay on a TV show, to residuals for streaming, to control of the content and images that actors and writers create for television and film.

It’s ironic you bring up innovation as the whole reason this strike is occurring is BECAUSE technological innovations are happening too fast and the studios are literally planning to take advantage of those innovations to further devalue the labor of artists. cutting down the number of writers necessary, because ChatGPT can just fill in. Or using actors’ images in perpetuity, without their knowledge, for nothing but a single day’s pay. 

AI is here, the future is now, and freelance artists must have assurances on how to protect their images and their creative output from being outsourced to technology. That’s what this strike is about. I hope we can rely on you to stand in solidarity and protect the work of artists in the future. 

[Mister G 10,128]

16 minutes ago, Battle 4 Ur Life said:

ok not to be insensitive because I totally support the strikes, but CBT FILM is safe because it’s not scripted and shot live and probably about finished editing right? RIGHT??

I think if there was an existing contract or agreement with a streaming service or network to push something out she certainly could release. I am seeing a ton of actors on IG still promoting what was in flight but they cannot push for anything net-new. It’s also not considered dramatic or scripted programming so she should be fine. Now if let’s say JOKER 2 was coming out this year, just for the sake of conversation, she would not be able to go on press tours or interviews to discuss which is why the entire cast of Oppenheimer dipped off from the red carpet premier when the strike was called for approval.

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The studios have been getting away with crazy stuff like tax fraud for YEARS. It has been screwing over creatives way before AI was part of the convo. This even happens with some really famous movies too which is shocking. The studios will claim the film is losing millions a year, when that’s just their way of not paying the creatives any residuals. A tactic I used to know about pre-streaming was producing mass home media (DVDs) storing them for years in a warehouse, then finally destroying them. 
 

These people are trained to figure out how not to pay people- and get away with it. It’s literally in the framework of their jobs now. Nothing will change until they’re forced to.

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18 minutes ago, Mister G said:

I think if there was an existing contract or agreement with a streaming service or network to push something out she certainly could release. I am seeing a ton of actors on IG still promoting what was in flight but they cannot push for anything net-new. It’s also not considered dramatic or scripted programming so she should be fine. Now if let’s say JOKER 2 was coming out this year, just for the sake of conversation, she would not be able to go on press tours or interviews to discuss which is why the entire cast of Oppenheimer dipped off from the red carpet premier when the strike was called for approval.

awesome, thank you.

So right now we are praying for Joker not be delayed tho it probably might be.

oh well

[Mister G 10,128]

1 minute ago, Battle 4 Ur Life said:

awesome, thank you.

So right now we are praying for Joker not be delayed tho it probably might be.

oh well

That movie comes out late 2024 so I think we’ll be okay. The strike is necessary because the companies crying about how this is costing them millions wanted to advocate for using A.I. to digitally scan their faces and voices one time, pay them for one day’s worth of work and then use a digital likeness of the actors whenever and however without any future consent—which means no payment for using their image either. This strike I don’t foresee ending anytime soon, at most probably late into Fall of this year. Until the greedy bastards at the top of the food chain are forced to change, the conditions won’t change.

[Natalia Kills 377]

Just now, jimmytimestep said:

This is a union of freelance workers. Promotions and R&D are not relevant. Actors (and writers too, with some exceptions) are hired on a job by job basis. this negotiation with the AMPTP was to build a new collective bargaining agreement for the future with the motion picture producers, studios, and streamers on minimum terms for everything from what a single day of work should pay on a TV show, to residuals for streaming, to control of the content and images that actors and writers create for television and film.

It’s ironic you bring up innovation as the whole reason this strike is occurring is BECAUSE technological innovations are happening too fast and the studios are literally planning to take advantage of those innovations to further devalue the labor of artists. cutting down the number of writers necessary, because ChatGPT can just fill in. Or using actors’ images in perpetuity, without their knowledge, for nothing but a single day’s pay. 

AI is here, the future is now, and freelance artists must have assurances on how to protect their images and their creative output from being outsourced to technology. That’s what this strike is about. I hope we can rely on you to stand in solidarity and protect the work of artists in the future. 

While I understand why they seek higher pay, striking in this current economic climate risks indirectly inflating costs for consumers and causing more action. This could adversely affect streaming platforms, possibly reducing exposure for new talent if consumers pull back due to increased costs. And usually the creative industry is the hardest hit when people's bank accounts run dry. It's risky. 

On the topic of AI, its use, especially in replicating actors' likenesses, should be regulated primarily by governments and international bodies, not individual corporations. It isn't feasible for companies or studios to carry that regulation because it would simply lend an advantage to other studios (particularly multinational) that don't conform with it. 

It's really a undecided discussion in itself that goes far beyond just the relationship between studios, actors and writers.

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1 hour ago, CheapGin said:

to be honest I'm thinking of cancelling all of my subscriptions --- these people do not DESERVE any of my money if they are not providing justifiable working conditions just for the sake of money and greed