Kim Petras sings Heavy Metal Lover and Marry The Night on Song Association

[Controversiaga 12,241]

@PartySick idk why it didn’t let me tag you above.

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12 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

I only mentioned the mental abuse and Kesha released the emails he sent to her and some were clearly done to shame her, make her feel bad/ guilty. He confirmed it was from him so we know it's not fakes. I don't need a condemnation to call it mentally abusive when the proofs were shown.

On top of that, Kelly Clarkson who worked with him also called him demeaning and a bully while Pink said she had stopped working with him cause he wasn't a good person and insisted on this point...

And people call Gaga’s choreographer mentally abusive and a bully and she still works with him . I’m sorry but you cannot try to act like this isn’t a double standard and a game of favoritism . 

[Stone S 1,133]

Idk how or why any of you like this girl these days 

[SimonBaetens 8,880]

Not me wanting to start a thread about Gaga’s songs being mentioned and it turning into an absolute bloodbath wow

[Controversiaga 12,241]

Just now, SimonBaetens said:

Not me wanting to start a thread about Gaga’s songs being mentioned and it turning into an absolute bloodbath wow

Well, sadly, mods have stated that us Kim fans just have to accept that people are allowed to and will harass and attack us for liking her music and remaining neutral in the Luke vs Kesha case 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,698]

8 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

And people call Gaga’s choreographer mentally abusive and a bully and she still works with him . I’m sorry but you cannot try to act like this isn’t a double standard and a game of favoritism . 

I proved you it was known Luke was a bully before Kim went on to work with him. I did it after you tried to defend Kim's good will saying Luke was, after all, not condemned for anything etc...

And now you avoid talking about it by bringing up Richie saying that Gaga shouldn't be defended over it neither when I never said she should be defended over it anyway...

That's whataboutism, deflection and you telling me about other people favoritism I didn't join... You talk about some others GGD members bad faith but what is up with all that?

15 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

Well, sadly, mods have stated that us Kim fans just have to accept that people are allowed to and will harass and attack us for liking her music and remaining neutral in the Luke vs Kesha case 

You didn't remain neutral in this case tho since you defended one who worked with him saying there was no proofs... When we actually got proofs he was mentally abusive at least.

Anyway stay eternally switching angles with bad faith to argue forever... I'll not read your future dishonest answers. Farewell.

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3 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

I proved you it was known Luke was a bully before Kim went on to work with him. I did it after you tried to defend Kim's good will saying Luke was, after all, not condemned for anything etc...

And now you avoid talking about it by bringing up Richie saying that Gaga shouldn't be defended over it neither when I never said she should be defended over it anyway...

That's whataboutism, deflection and you telling me about other people favoritism I didn't join... You talk about some others GGD members bad faith but what is up with all that?

You didn't remain neutral in this case tho since you defended one who worked with him saying there was no proofs... When we actually got proofs he was mentally abusive at least.

Anyway stay eternally switching angles with bad faith to argue forever... I'll not read your future dishonest answers. Farewell.

Bye 

[ALGAYDO 33,692]

1 hour ago, Controversiaga said:

There’s hundreds of examples. Here another.
Okay you want to talk about all these celebs but don’t mention DWUW ft r Kelly.  You thought it was a bop back in 2013. I guarantee.  You know he already had a video recording of himself urinating on a minor before 2013.  But we still bought ARTPOP and bought the single and we’re so excited to see it go number one on iTunes. You didn’t care back then but suddenly care now ? 

here you go again with ur double standards and favoritism. How come you can mention all these ppls problematic pasts but act like Gaga doesn’t have one ? 

@partysick I’m sorry I know I said I wasn’t gonna do this anymore, but come on. Do you see what’s going on here? We are allowed to bring up other celebrities and use them to compare and make points but I can’t address the major elephant in the room here? I’m not trying to be insensitive or harsh on Gaga, I’m literally stating the facts.  She collaborated and defended a man who urinated on a minor. Regardless what ever efforts she made to cover it up and erase it, it still happened and we all stood by her side and supported her no matter what.  We didn’t stop stanning her , we didn’t boycott her, we didn’t call eachother SA supporters because we supported Gaga.  This is completely hypocritical.  I’m sorry but it is

This is like the 5th time you bring Gaga up even tho I’ve told you like 5 times before that I don’t condone or excuse Gaga for her shítty behavior at all  and that I felt icky with the whole R Kelly and Terry Richardsons collabs from the get-go  do you just ignore everything I say if it doesn’t fit your narrative that you keep pushing? 

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Just now, ALGAYDO said:

This is like the 5th time you bring Gaga up even tho I’ve told you like 5 times before that I don’t condone or excuse Gaga for her shítty behavior at all  and that I felt icky with the whole R Kelly and Terry Richardsons collabs from the get-go  do you just ignore everything I say if it doesn’t fit your narrative that you keep pushing? 

But you continued to Stan Gaga meanwhile you boycott Kim Petras and call me a rape apologist? You gave Gaga a slap on the wrist but you still bought ARTPOP and the single . But you have to bash Kim any opportunity you can 

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11 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

This is like the 5th time you bring Gaga up even tho I’ve told you like 5 times before that I don’t condone or excuse Gaga for her shítty behavior at all  and that I felt icky with the whole R Kelly and Terry Richardsons collabs from the get-go  do you just ignore everything I say if it doesn’t fit your narrative that you keep pushing? 

You said earlier we listen to Kim because we only care about good music and that’s the same way we all reacted to DWUW back in 2013 .  So how come Gaga gets a slap on the wrist but Kim gets blacklisted ?

 

Im just saying, we didn’t call eachother “rape apologists /supporters” back in 2013 when DWUW released, why are y’all doing this now all of a sudden if someone else works with an accused SA ?

 

again it just feels like a double standard and favoritism 

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1 minute ago, Controversiaga said:

But you continued to Stan Gaga meanwhile you boycott Kim Petras and call me a rape apologist? You gave Gaga a slap on the wrist but you still bought ARTPOP and the single . But you have to bash Kim any opportunity you can 

Yeah and I’ve said multiple times before that if Kim apologized for working with him and ditched him entirely, I would proudly take back what I said and will start supporting the girl. I literally never said I wanted her career to end, I just think the backlash she is currently getting is 100% justifiable. 
 

and ARTPOP was literally 10 years ago, my ass didn’t know how much harm gaga was doing! I was a ****ing high school teenager ffs, but as a grown adult I know realize that Gaga should’ve had a hell of a lot more backlash for her actions. Hindsight is 20/20 after all lol 

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1 minute ago, Controversiaga said:

You said earlier we listen to Kim because we only care about good music and that’s the same way we all reacted to DWUW back in 2013 .  So how come Gaga gets a slap on the wrist but Kim gets blacklisted ?

Because it’s not 2013 anymore? That’s like saying why was it okay for comedians to say make fun of the gays 20 years ago but now their whole career gets buried 6-feet under for the same thing. Because times change and people realize that their bad actions should be accounted for. And I’ve said it multiple times (you keep ignoring it for some reason?) that I think Gaga should’ve had more backlash for working with Kelly and Terry. I can’t build a Time Machine and go back to 2013 lol 

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10 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Yeah and I’ve said multiple times before that if Kim apologized for working with him and ditched him entirely, I would proudly take back what I said and will start supporting the girl. I literally never said I wanted her career to end, I just think the backlash she is currently getting is 100% justifiable. 
 

and ARTPOP was literally 10 years ago, my ass didn’t know how much harm gaga was doing! I was a ****ing high school teenager ffs, but as a grown adult I know realize that Gaga should’ve had a hell of a lot more backlash for her actions. Hindsight is 20/20 after all lol 

 

7 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Because it’s not 2013 anymore? That’s like saying why was it okay for comedians to say make fun of the gays 20 years ago but now their whole career gets buried 6-feet under for the same thing. Because times change and people realize that their bad actions should be accounted for. And I’ve said it multiple times (you keep ignoring it for some reason?) that I think Gaga should’ve had more backlash for working with Kelly and Terry. I can’t build a Time Machine and go back to 2013 lol 

Okay I understand.

but I think we should be allow to enjoy Kim without people coming into the threads with their accusations statements and flamebait. If you don’t like her, stay out of the threads.

The case is closed and Kesha wants to move on so let’s stop bringing it up anytime Kim is mentioned.  It’s not Kim’s business or responsibility 

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I think it is unfair mods want to normalize the flamebait statements in Kim threads.  Please reconsider this, mods. Please.  The Kesha case is closed.  It’s not Kim’s business or responsibility.  Let us enjoy pop music. This is a pop music forum. Not a social justice forum.  We are not harming anybody by making Kim threads so we should not be attacked and harassed every time we do. 
I don’t think it should be tolerated any longer and “well Kim is controversial/problematic” is not a valid justification because Kim is not responsible for Dr Luke’s actions. She should be allowed to defender herself for working with someone that wanted to give her a successful music career when most ppl did not believe in the idea of a mainstream commercial trans pop star. 

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4 hours ago, Controversiaga said:

 

Okay I understand.

but I think we should be allow to enjoy Kim without people coming into the threads with their accusations statements and flamebait. If you don’t like her, stay out of the threads.

The case is closed and Kesha wants to move on so let’s stop bringing it up anytime Kim is mentioned.  It’s not Kim’s business or responsibility 

That doesn’t change the fact that he still abused her (I choose to believe her because throughout human history, women never get justice from their abusers, and in fact most people never even believe in the woman even tho statistically it’s extremely rare that someone lies about getting raped). So long as Kim chooses to work with an alleged abuser, people should be allowed to criticize her for it. 

4 hours ago, Controversiaga said:

I think it is unfair mods want to normalize the flamebait statements in Kim threads.  Please reconsider this, mods. Please.  The Kesha case is closed.  It’s not Kim’s business or responsibility.  Let us enjoy pop music. This is a pop music forum. Not a social justice forum.  We are not harming anybody by making Kim threads so we should not be attacked and harassed every time we do. 
I don’t think it should be tolerated any longer and “well Kim is controversial/problematic” is not a valid justification because Kim is not responsible for Dr Luke’s actions. She should be allowed to defender herself for working with someone that wanted to give her a successful music career when most ppl did not believe in the idea of a mainstream commercial trans pop star. 

Being trans doesn’t absolve one of their actions tho. Like, I fully want to support her, I really do. I think she has star quality and she knows a fun and catchy hook when she hears one. But like I said, fair criticism is, well, fair.