TortureMeOnReplay 5,879 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Spiking somebody's drink in hopes of having "sex" with them is assault, not harassment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just g00gle for Till Lindemann pron vid or poem "Wenn du schläfst", to make yourself an idea... Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWeirdo 4,268 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Cavadour said: Just g00gle for Till Lindemann pron vid or poem "Wenn du schläfst", to make yourself an idea... Omg didn't know that! I've seen it now and it is not only hardcore but also brutally disrespectful of women! I've found this in many articles and I'm shocked: In his adult movie he quotes his book "Wenn du schläfst", which includes poems where he fantasizes about putting Rohypnol into a woman's wine and then raping the sedated woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 7,261 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I don't know enough to judge Rammstein - but some of y'all are highlighting really ****ed up content they or Til have readily released publicly. But lets be honest before any one doubts any or all of the victims - a well established male rockband taking advantage of female fans is hardly something surprising or doubtful. It's like how it's easier to list warp tour bands without allegations against them than it is to list the bands with major red flags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasagna 2,532 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 love rammstein but immediately i believe her tbh, i've gotten a weird vibe from till in the last few years. has anyone ever seen the music video till made for till the end???? just 7 minutes of him having insanely rough unsimulated sex with models all wearing masks of his face just seemed insanely egotistical and narcissistic and borderline abusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana 2,697 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 The fans claim Shelby may not have been spiked, as she had said she takes antidepressant so some fans have said it could have been interaction with alcohol (but then I've taken alcohol with different meds and nothing of the sort has happened to me... but then bodies react differently). But if she was spiked those drugs can leave the system so fast the might not be seen by the time she went to police. The environment for sure is one that is unsafe and morally wrong to make young women drink and take drugs just to make them more willing to sex... I can imagine someone could easily be spiked in those circumstances, even if it's not Till or his team. It all sounds so dangerous, to me. If one of the other stories is true, then he is a r*pist too... (not repeating it here for it could be triggering to people but there was an article about the other allegations a few days ago) It's just sad that with crimes like these we might never get answers or "proof" considering two of the other stories were years ago. So this might not lead anywhere. But I do believe all of this is possible, considering there's so many young girls, alcohol, drugs... It's surprising how nothing has been heard about this before. I did know about the **** film but did not want to see that or know much about it... Now I've heard some of the girls were not **** actresses but fans, and somehow their identities were exposed and they were harassed online... I know it's all on Till, but I wonder what the other band members think about this. It could be they would not know anything illegal is happening as they were not attending those afterparties themselves. But the whole system is gross and at least that should not happen anymore anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 We know it all, about being a fan. How defensive we can be if some weird or bad story is overshadowing our queen... It's a logical and normal stan reaction to find any way to discredit the accuser. Because 1rst, as a fan, you can't wrap your mind around the accusation. Then comes the real question ? Is it true ? So some investigation is required here. Make yourself an idea, look for body of evidence... Then, a legal and indisputable proof is required. During the process, many witnesses will come forward, then retract for various reasons... But in the end, if there's no physical proof, you might want to rely upon all info possible. Then, finally, ask yourself : is there just and only a teeny tiny possibility to get smoke without fire ? I just read about and episode in 2010 in Quebec, where Rammstein asked the Summer Festival personnel to gather young women for their afterparty. The Festival organizers refused but young women participated anyway to the huge 75'000 part takers afterparty. No guest complaint was raised though. Neither when Rammstein returned to Quebec for the 2016 edition of the same Festival. Tuesday June 6, 2023 - Le Journal du Québec (french) Wednesday June 7, 2023 - Le journal du Québec (french) Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWeirdo 4,268 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, Cavadour said: We know it all, about being a fan. How defensive we can be if some weird or bad story is overshadowing our queen... It's a logical and normal stan reaction to find any way to discredit the accuser. Because 1rst, as a fan, you can't wrap your mind around the accusation. Then comes the real question ? Is it true ? So some investigation is required here. Make yourself an idea, look for body of evidence... Then, a legal and indisputable proof is required. During the process, many witnesses will come forward, then retract for various reasons... But in the end, if there's no physical proof, you might want to rely upon all info possible. Then, finally, ask yourself : is there just and only a teeny tiny possibility to get smoke without fire ? I just read about and episode in 2010 in Quebec, where Rammstein asked the Summer Festival personnel to gather young women for their afterparty. The Festival organizers refused but young women participated anyway to the huge 75'000 part takers afterparty. No guest complaint was raised though. Neither when Rammstein returned to Quebec for the 2016 edition of the same Festival. Tuesday june 6, 2023 - Le Journal du Québec (french) But hardcore fans need to stop protecting the artist at any cost. I mean, in this case, even though there might not be 100% evidence he still made really concerning content with his "adult movie". He acts like women are less worth and treats them like sex objects... it's just not okay in the first place. He's the epitome of toxic masculinity tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, HiddenWeirdo said: But hardcore fans need to stop protecting the artist at any cost. I mean, in this case, even though there might not be 100% evidence he still made really concerning content with his "adult movie". He acts like women are less worth and treats them like sex objects... it's just not okay in the first place. He's the epitome of toxic masculinity tbh True. And if you crawl the web, especially Rammstein reddits, sub-reddits or follow tweets around you'll see that even the hardcore fans are seriously wondering about the mental health and creepy sexual addictions of Lindemann since some years now. From what I read, the hardcore fanbase was aware of everything, from row zero pimp to quickies or bjs under the stage during concerts. Many people among die hard fans aren't suprised at all about what is happening now. Moreover, many are pointing the wrong attitude toward the problem : Getting instantly rid of Alena Makeeva after years of 'service', cancelling row zero and afters, hiding behind counselors and fishy statements. If the allegations were indeed lies, they just had to simply reject and ignore them. This all thing just stinks too much, really. Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 At 2:30 p.m. GMT today, Swiss Socialist Youth launched a petition to have Rammstein concerts scheduled for June 17 and 18 in Bern canceled. The petition has collected more than 3,600 signatures out of the 5,000 targeted and they were increasing rapidly, the Swiss press having widely echoed this call. Calls for a boycott of Rammstein concerts in Switzerland Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWeirdo 4,268 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cavadour said: At 2:30 p.m. GMT today, Swiss Socialist Youth launched a petition to have Rammstein concerts scheduled for June 17 and 18 in Bern canceled. The petition has collected more than 3,600 signatures out of the 5,000 targeted and they were increasing rapidly, the Swiss press having widely echoed this call. Calls for a boycott of Rammstein concerts in Switzerland That's great news! Let's hope that they reach the 5,000 signatures!! also, the publisher of his poem book has ended their cooperation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 The petition to cancel both Rammstein concerts in Bern next week-end has collected more than 7000 signatures today in Switzerland and in Berlin, R+ singer Till Lindemann has been put under official judicial inquiry by the police, regarding the facts already exposed these recent days. Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Rats start leaving the ship... https://loudwire.com/rammstein-drummer-christoph-schneider-statement-till-lindemann-allegations/ Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,044 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Yeah. Dropping the singer is a bold move, but maybe the only way to save the band. That will sure create a gap among R+ fans. But with the money at stake, the rest of the band may hang on to regain the temporary lost support of their records company, that’s understandable, even if it looks a bit like a betrayal between metal brothers... Seems like #MeTooRock is on it's way. And the common acquaintance Makeeva won't help Marilyn Manson case either. Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanityQueen 12 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 12:55 PM, Cavadour said: Yeah. Dropping the singer is a bold move, but maybe the only way to save the band. That will sure create a gap among R+ fans. But with the money at stake, the rest of the band may hang on to regain the temporary lost support of their records company, that’s understandable, even if it looks a bit like a betrayal between metal brothers... Seems like #MeTooRock is on it's way. And the common acquaintance Makeeva won't help Marilyn Manson case either. What's happening? Are they kicking Till from the band? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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