Unpopular opinion: ARTPOP (2023)

[ProfessionalClown 10,647]

Gypsy is her best song ever period 

[Ziggy 11,863]

9 hours ago, Cruelty said:

For me it's just the way you're consistently the most articulate, intelligent and (tbh) correct poster on this hell-forum  I agree with every point.

I wonder as well whether all the "art and pop can belong together" shtick was just a kind of veneer added to 'Gaga-ify' the project. After the gloriously unhinged melting pot of genres that was Born This Way, I can see Gaga panicking that a (relatively) trend-chasing followup would be seen as a creative step down, just another EDM celebration of love and hedonism. So you get Abramovic/Botticelli/Louvre/Koons plastered onto the campaign, in the way that BTW fused stadium rock and techno and mariachi on the level of the music itself. (Not that she needed to worry; ARTPOP is fairly safe EDM but it's packed with very distinctive Gagaisms).

But ultimately, it's all surface. If she hadn't have come up with the "art + pop" idea until after she'd turned in the album, it wouldn't have made a difference. So I'm with you that, whilst it gave us a consistently creative and joyously unpredictable album era, that "art meets pop" shtick is ultimately meaningless – and almost works against the music, when you're trying to fit something like 'Mary Jane Holland' into a scheme into which it does not go. They're all songs about living life to the fullest, even if it might mean f*cking up a little along the way. They could have been sold that way.

Aww thank you  that’s so sweet  

my personal thoughts are that she genuinely was into the idea of blending high art and pop music together, but I think that that isn’t really an album theme. Like, it’s too vague tbh because it makes you ask immediately what is “art” and what is “pop”? Who knows? Pop music is notoriously definition averse. So I think it’s one of those stoner thoughts she probably had with Tara with marveling at the joy of creating amidst all the turmoil of what was happening around her but the “concept” of art + pop is more revelation and inspiration than it is concrete concept and that was the issue. She was early stages with Taylor, horny af, stoned af, richer than ever. The album was about the crash from decadence. It celebrates it then exhausts itself by Dope and who’s she left with when it’s all gone? Herself and her demons. It actually was kind of the decay of the blonde pop icon record she wanted but maybe she didn’t quite understand at the time or purposefully turned away from the concept bc it was too dark (I could see the label steering her that way, but then why a vague one like ARTPOP lol) or got enamored with the ARTPOP inspo. If you strip all that away, though, the adrenaline of obsessions album is a really pop solid album that in that scope takes a lot of swings and is very thought out. It’s only under the ARTPOP banner that the songs don’t really make sense lmao

[Ultimecia 6,050]

ARTPOP was the last time Gaga was unapologetic and truly had fun with her music.

As much as I love all the mental health stuff, I really miss that playful, sassy side of Gaga. -->

[dzox 552]

we dont really need an ACT II. we just want new music with an era

[crazygato 528]

G.U.Y. , Applause, DWUW, Gypsy were the only single-able songs on the album and shouldve been released in that order. 

G.U.Y. for VMA's (August 2013)

Applause for AMA's/ Intro to the album (November 2013)

DWUW for Grammys  (February 2014)

Gypsy for summer/ BBMA's (May 2014)

 

Venus, AURA, or MANiCURE as the last single for the fans. 

* the album is kinda annoying 

* surprisingly most of my straight friends liked this album better that BTW or even TFM! They think its fun! 

* the filler tracks weaken this album and bring it marginally lower than TF. Still better than Joanne. 

* this album got me into Gaga again but it's such a mess I just can't like it a lot. 

 

[Head Empty 25,187]

22 hours ago, Smother Em Eh said:

Dope is underrated, unnecessary hated and has some of her best lyrics of all time. The verses are literal poetic masterpieces! 

Venus wasn’t single material (Don’t come for me  😉) 

How can one person be such a truth teller and such a liar in this short of a time 

[Ziggy 11,863]

9 hours ago, DrKindnessKunt1999 said:

I’m not saying that ARTPOP is groundbreaking, experimental album sonically; but I never agreed with people who called it generic and compared it to the likes of Calvin Harris, David Guetta, and whichever DJ was big in 2012/2013. (Also, yes I’m aware that David Guetta co-produced “Fashion!” I’m just using his name as an example) 

While ARTPOP was released when EDM was trendy, it still has its own identity. 
 

I wished that Gaga experimented more with the Dubstep/Rave/Techno/Complextro sound. We never got to hear that “Complextro masterpiece” that Gaga teased that was about the Jakarta situation. 

Hallelujah is a cute bop! 

I believe said track is Partnynauseous, is it not? Now whether it lives up to that description I’d debate (namely bc idk if it’s complextro though I adore it lol).

[Ziggy 11,863]

To be truly controversial:

I get why Infected Mushrooms were upset with what Aura turned out to be…

[nATAH 49,592]

13 hours ago, TEANUS said:

I don’t understand this when anyone says that. How is it so far fetched or unappealing to y’all, the concept of Gaga potentially releasing outtakes for fans? Is that not what countless other artists do all the time? 

I personally would love to enjoy some new-to-me Gaga material from any era intended as fanfare because I’m a huge Gaga fan. If chart success and sales aren’t a necessity for these releases there’s truly no con to dropping them for fans to enjoy and to answer the decade-old question: “What do TEA, Temple, etc. sound like?”

even if the track is unfinished/unpolished (like Stuck On F*ckin You), i'm just super curious to see what didn't make the cut and the ideas that were had at the time

[DrKindnessKunt1999 6,100]

3 hours ago, Ziggy said:

I believe said track is Partnynauseous, is it not? Now whether it lives up to that description I’d debate (namely bc idk if it’s complextro though I adore it lol).

She made two Jakarta themed tracks “both are dance songs, one song is a complextro masterpiece and the other is a hip-hop/j-pop/pop song” The latter being Partynauseous. Fun fact, Partynauseous was inspired by Chicago Gay Trap, too. 
 

The only reason why I remember her mention this was because of my excitement over these tracks. 

 

I googled the term “Complextro Masterpiece Gaga” and found an article talking of Gaga talking about the ARTPOP era before it was released. You could really tell that she was soooo excited for ARTPOP, it’s unfortunate how things ended up going. 
 

https://www.spin.com/2013/07/lady-gaga-ARTPOP-album-details/

 

I wonder if Zedd was the producer of the Complextro masterpiece? He was producing Complextro songs back then, so it would make the most sense. Who knows? 

[Ziggy 11,863]

30 minutes ago, DrKindnessKunt1999 said:

She made two Jakarta themed tracks “both are dance songs, one song is a complextro masterpiece and the other is a hip-hop/j-pop/pop song” The latter being Partynauseous. Fun fact, Partynauseous was inspired by Chicago Gay Trap, too. 
 

The only reason why I remember her mention this was because of my excitement over these tracks. 

 

I googled the term “Complextro Masterpiece Gaga” and found an article talking of Gaga talking about the ARTPOP era before it was released. You could really tell that she was soooo excited for ARTPOP, it’s unfortunate how things ended up going. 
 

https://www.spin.com/2013/07/lady-gaga-ARTPOP-album-details/

 

I wonder if Zedd was the producer of the Complextro masterpiece? He was producing Complextro songs back then, so it would make the most sense. Who knows? 

Ahhh yes you’re right I remember now. I thought it was funny she said jpop when it wasn’t really that at all hahaha if anything it leans a little more Kpop bc of the intensity

[Railing 2,799]

36 minutes ago, DrKindnessKunt1999 said:

She made two Jakarta themed tracks “both are dance songs, one song is a complextro masterpiece and the other is a hip-hop/j-pop/pop song” The latter being Partynauseous. Fun fact, Partynauseous was inspired by Chicago Gay Trap, too. 
 

The only reason why I remember her mention this was because of my excitement over these tracks. 

 

I googled the term “Complextro Masterpiece Gaga” and found an article talking of Gaga talking about the ARTPOP era before it was released. You could really tell that she was soooo excited for ARTPOP, it’s unfortunate how things ended up going. 
 

https://www.spin.com/2013/07/lady-gaga-ARTPOP-album-details/

 

I wonder if Zedd was the producer of the Complextro masterpiece? He was producing Complextro songs back then, so it would make the most sense. Who knows? 

I thought the complextro inspired song was Gypsy? cuz Partynauseous obviously isn't pop/j-pop but you can see where that inspiration exists

[nkta 355]

Album that broke Gaga as a pop artist. After it she went full Hollywood (fancy jazz stuff, AHS, Oscar performances), leaving all the fun pop things behind her. 

Applause (VMA), DWUW (AMA), ARTPOP at Jimmy Kimmels’s, really most of LIVE promo for the album - was she ever that fun and vulnerable again in her live performances?

 

[The Fame Monster 4,313]

Here are my thoughts:

• While I don't consider it a bad album, I personally believe it is the weakest among Gaga's discography.

• ARTPOP could have pushed the boundaries further in terms of experimentation. While it was an attempt at capturing a POP/EDM revolution or futuristic sound, it fell short of achieving the level of innovation that I expected.

• I prefer the demo version of Aura over the album version. I particularly dislike the changes Gaga made to the way she sings the first verse, "I'm not a wondering slave, I am a woman of choice..." and so on. However, Aura remains the standout track on the album for me.

• Dope is the worst song ever released by Gaga.

[Ayesha Erotica 1,720]

I think it was a powerful album but it lacked variety in the sense that most songs had a similair electro beat, and it sounded more electronically produced than human. Still better than the average of  albums that followed.

 

At least ARTPOP was not boring like many albums were during the time it was relased (like goodbye lullaby by avril)