Night Vision 3,050 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 8:46 PM, 4th Street said: If you are going to keep pretending you are countering arguments that I never made, please stop responding to me and just leave me alone. Last time I checked neither of these artists have been struggling to get recognized by the industry. If gender was as debilitating for these major stars as you claim, it is very interesting that Beyonce exists because all of us know that she never gets awarded and is treated like crap because she happens to be a woman. Oh wait, I forgot that she is the most awarded artist in Grammy history and is always being treated like a literal goddess who can do no wrong and it always being introduced with sycophantic speeches at every awards show she attends but we all know that she deserves even better treatment and the only thing holding her back is her genderđ Expand Your argument makes absolutely no logical sense. It's like saying that because there have been POC artists win AOTY, that means the Grammy's have no issues with race. You're saying in one breathe that the Grammy's issues with race are the real problem, then in the next breathe you're using Beyonce as an example of the most awarded artist in Grammy history which apparently proves that there are no issues in regards to gender. You presented your point, which then got debunked with facts and statistics that you had previously insisted wouldn't be provided, and are now just writing posts of word salad trying to act like misogyny within the Grammy's doesn't exist because Beyonce exists. Get real. And nowhere have I countered arguments you didn't make, quite the opposite. I provided direct counters to your argument plus additional context. It doesn't really make sense to ask someone to leave you alone after inviting a debate but then not being able to defend your position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Fall 3,836 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 2:53 AM, Night Vision said: Your argument makes absolutely no logical sense. It's like saying that because there have been POC artists win AOTY, that means the Grammy's have no issues with race. You're saying in one breathe that the Grammy's issues with race are the real problem, then in the next breathe you're using Beyonce as an example of the most awarded artist in Grammy history which apparently proves that there are no issues in regards to gender. You presented your point, which then got debunked with facts and statistics that you had previously insisted wouldn't be provided, and are now just writing posts of word salad trying to act like misogyny within the Grammy's doesn't exist because Beyonce exists. Get real. And nowhere have I countered arguments you didn't make, quite the opposite. I provided direct counters to your argument plus additional context. It doesn't really make sense to ask someone to leave you alone after inviting a debate but then not being able to defend your position. Expand Beyonce is the exception rather than the rule when it comes to being highly acclaimed by the Grammy Awards, there are many who would claim though that she is deliberately snubbed in the major categories like album of the year. Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THAT MISOGYNY IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CLAIMED THAT IT LARGELY DOES NOT HINDER FEMALE ARTISTS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUPERSTAR THESE DAYS FROM RECEIVING CRITIICAL PRAISE OR FROM SUCCEEDING WITH EITHER A FLAMBOYANT POP PERSONA OR A TONED DOWN IMAGE EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT STRICTLY POP!!!!!!!!!!! Beyonce was just one of many examples I could use. I am tired of talking about something going nowhere and I am not going to respond to you again. Hey, I'm king of the world, you ought to hear my song, you come on measure me, I'm twenty inches long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 7,835 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I immediately thought of Billie Eillish but to be honest she does get a lot of flack for not having big production performances. So does Adele. Maybe sis has a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstertoronto 8,842 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/27/2023 at 3:36 PM, PeachJug said: billie is kinda a counter example (though I agree with Zara in general) Expand I donât think Billie is really a counter example. Her concerts have lots of visuals, she always wears iconic looks that are distinct, and sheâs known for her high energy in her shows. She doesnât just stand in one spot wearing GP street clothes. She became iconic for neon-green-roots hair and baggy designer clothes too. She does not serve Ed Sheeran, and I think she would not be as well received if she had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addison Rae 15,342 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 sheâs right and she should say it sitting on his lap sipping diet pepsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Vision 3,050 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 3:34 AM, 4th Street said: Beyonce is the exception rather than the rule when it comes to being highly acclaimed by the Grammy Awards, there are many who would claim though that she is deliberately snubbed in the major categories like album of the year. Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THAT MISOGYNY IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CLAIMED THAT IT LARGELY DOES NOT HINDER FEMALE ARTISTS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUPERSTAR THESE DAYS FROM RECEIVING CRITIICAL PRAISE OR FROM SUCCEEDING WITH EITHER A FLAMBOYANT POP PERSONA OR A TONED DOWN IMAGE EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT STRICTLY POP!!!!!!!!!!! Beyonce was just one of many examples I could use. I am tired of talking about something going nowhere and I am not going to respond to you again. Expand Funny how everything is an exception when you get provided with examples that debunk your argument. I know what you claimed, it just didn't make any sense and wasn't difficult to dismantle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versace 7,902 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Why are some female pop artist and the gays so set on feeling like victims of everything nowadays. No maâam people donât look down on Pop because its female oriented wtv that means. Are we really gonna pretend that Pop as a genre and female pop artists specifically havenât dominated the last 3 decades of music? Itâs just Pop really fell out of favor since 2019 for a more rnb/hip hop music landscape. But that doesnât mean we donât have female artists being celebrated for pop music nowadays, Taylor, Dua, Olivia, Billie have all gone to see massive success doing Pop music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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