Times When Gaga Was 'Over'

[Tyler1992 2,264]

1 hour ago, RochestrMonstr said:

Exactly! I think sometimes people around here who don’t remember BTW era see the huge numbers and think “everyone must have loved her!” But it wasn’t like that 😢. She was damagingly overexposed.
 

Meanwhile ARTPOP’s “failure” is easier to see because of the drop in numbers, but I really only remember the KatyCats and other haters being all over that one. (Even though Prism only sold about a million more and 3/5 of its singles underperformed so it’s funny now). 

Hindsight about ARTPOP/Prism is so funny to look at now. Katy was hitting her highest peak, and Gaga fever was well passed simmering down. It just so happened that Roar and Applause just happened to intersect at the moment when their popularity hit the same level.

It’s also easier to see ARTPOP as a miss-step because instead of easing up reigning it in, she doubled down and said a big “**** it let’s go as far as we can” (which is very noble of her). The Perception of her schtick (for lack of a better word) was so far from salvaging post Born This Way, whatever she released would have been seen as a failure

To your point about Born This Way, it definitely was the first showings of a public that had seen too much of her antics.Post The Fame/The Fame Monster, she could have released an album of fart sounds and it would have shot to the top of the charts either way. She accumulated so much power that it was impossible for it to fail/she released a really good album.

Whatever Gaga does during an albums cycle is what influences critical and commercial reception for her next album cycle. 

[Cavadour 2,350]

She's a phoenix (npi)

Always over, always back...

[Ziggy 11,786]

8 hours ago, wonderlanddynasty said:

WAIT judas was considered a flop?? 

when?

how?

i'm shook rn 

Bc it leaked like mad, for one, but then it was controversial bc of the Good Friday release date and so no one would play it on radio so it sank like a rock after the first week on the charts which for a Gaga song and the one following BTW was considered a HUGE misstep commercially.

and also people said it was too close to bad romance at the time. Time’s been a bit kinder to Judas, methinks

[Tinnitus15 51,570]

Let’s be real: stupid love free falling. People expected her comeback to be big but then this mess( leaks and so on) happened 

[Ziggy 11,786]

14 minutes ago, Tyler1992 said:

Hindsight about ARTPOP/Prism is so funny to look at now. Katy was hitting her highest peak, and Gaga fever was well passed simmering down. It just so happened that Roar and Applause just happened to intersect at the moment when their popularity hit the same level.

It’s also easier to see ARTPOP as a miss-step because instead of easing up reigning it in, she doubled down and said a big “**** it let’s go as far as we can” (which is very noble of her). The Perception of her schtick (for lack of a better word) was so far from salvaging post Born This Way, whatever she released would have been seen as a failure

To your point about Born This Way, it definitely was the first showings of a public that had seen too much of her antics.Post The Fame/The Fame Monster, she could have released an album of fart sounds and it would have shot to the top of the charts either way. She accumulated so much power that it was impossible for it to fail/she released a really good album.

Whatever Gaga does during an albums cycle is what influences critical and commercial reception for her next album cycle. 

Exactly this. TFM was huge bc it was primed to be (and was good lol), BTW (song) was huge bc TFM was even bigger than TF and kept the hype, but she’d been dropping single after single for the past 3 years and while they were good, they’re pop. Tastes are fickle. And BTW was a little weirder than what she’d been doing on the priors and the era started performing worse and worse. ARTPOP was always going to be a bit underwhelming commercially. By contrast, chromatica was a decent hit (by Gaga standards lol) bc ASIB was and people were reminded of how awesome she is.

[Ziggy 11,786]

30 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

The... interesting, times of Skype Ball 

 

I feel like I'm entitled to some sort of compensation for having been through that era 

Pre ARTPOP set the stans apart fr 

[Tyler1992 2,264]

5 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

Also, idk if y'all remember but the South America leg of BTWB sparked SO MANY flopping rumors that it had us FIGHTING FOR OUR LIVES 

 

 

OMG I FORGOT ABOUT THIS!!!

We were so smug from the Asian legs and the Australian legs.. Honestly we were so smug in general. Even when she changed venues in Bulgaria I was so delulu that it wasn’t a flop.

 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Tyler1992 said:

To your point about Born This Way, it definitely was the first showings of a public that had seen too much of her antics.Post The Fame/The Fame Monster, she could have released an album of fart sounds and it would have shot to the top of the charts either way. She accumulated so much power that it was impossible for it to fail/she released a really good album.

Whatever Gaga does during an albums cycle is what influences critical and commercial reception for her next album cycle. 

I've never thought about this way. Perfectly said.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Cavadour said:

She's a phoenix (npi)

Always over, always back...

PREACH

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Exactly this. TFM was huge bc it was primed to be (and was good lol), BTW (song) was huge bc TFM was even bigger than TF and kept the hype, but she’d been dropping single after single for the past 3 years and while they were good, they’re pop. Tastes are fickle. And BTW was a little weirder than what she’d been doing on the priors and the era started performing worse and worse. ARTPOP was always going to be a bit underwhelming commercially. By contrast, chromatica was a decent hit (by Gaga standards lol) bc ASIB was and people were reminded of how awesome she is.

I've never thought of it in this way before. It makes perfect sense to me now in the way the eras contrast each other.

[Tyler1992 2,264]

22 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Exactly this. TFM was huge bc it was primed to be (and was good lol), BTW (song) was huge bc TFM was even bigger than TF and kept the hype, but she’d been dropping single after single for the past 3 years and while they were good, they’re pop. Tastes are fickle. And BTW was a little weirder than what she’d been doing on the priors and the era started performing worse and worse. ARTPOP was always going to be a bit underwhelming commercially. By contrast, chromatica was a decent hit (by Gaga standards lol) bc ASIB was and people were reminded of how awesome she is.

Yes! Tastes are fickle is the perfect way to put it, especially with pop. If Gaga released Joanne after Born This Way, reception would have been tepid as well.

Cheek to Cheek was kind of an emergency parachute to slow the fall, and The Sound of Music, Super Bowl National Anthem were the landings to the ground that perfectly she stuck. 

Once she was firmly planted on the ground she was able grow and relaunch again with Joanne.

 

[Ziggy 11,786]

2 minutes ago, Tyler1992 said:

Yes! Tastes are fickle is the perfect way to put it, especially with pop. If Gaga released Joanne after Born This Way, reception would have been tepid as well.

Cheek to Cheek was kind of an emergency parachute to slow the fall, and The Sound of Music, Super Bowl National Anthem were the landings to the ground that she stuck. 

Once she was firmly planted on the ground with Joanne she was able to grow again

 

That’s why the tour was mostly a greatest hits tour  Joanne, while I’m sure meaningful to Gaga in its own way, was also a very strategic album especially coming out of the ASIB sessions (basically). Like she even wanted to go MORE folk but Interscope tapped Bloodpop to soften the genre lean a bit plus all those additional writers brought in. Now, I’m no snob and have no issue with writers on an album *but for a Gaga album and one that supposedly personal (places where she tends to be the solo writer on albums), it was kinda telling to me. I still like Joanne a lot but it was very very curated and strategic and tbh I think we all kinda know that in hindsight and some of us even then lmao

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Tyler1992 said:

Yes! Tastes are fickle is the perfect way to put it, especially with pop. If Gaga released Joanne after Born This Way, reception would have been tepid as well.

Cheek to Cheek was kind of an emergency parachute to slow the fall, and The Sound of Music, Super Bowl National Anthem were the landings to the ground that perfectly she stuck. 

Once she was firmly planted on the ground she was able grow and relaunch again with Joanne.

 

You should write a retrospective on her career. I think Tony Bennet said in an interview something along the lines of 'Gaga knows what to do' meaning career wise. She really is a master of fame.

[TEANUS 14,991]

When BR debuted modestly, prior to the music video and its blow up

Judas’ underperformance

BTWB’s hit or miss success in Latin America

Applause ‘failing’ to debut or peak at number one, especially with comparisons to Roar

SXSW made me think she would never release a ‘pop’ album again

Perfect Illusion and Million Reasons (initially) failing to reach the top 10

[Tyler1992 2,264]

2 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

You should write a retrospective on her career. I think Tony Bennet said in an interview something along the lines of 'Gaga knows what to do' meaning career wise. She really is a master of fame.

This honestly means so much to me coming from you, thanks!!!