sarcamstic 1,562 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, AkariGaga said: So comparing black men to monkeys is a dumb mistake and people calling him out are the bad guys. the stupid monkey in pajamas is a really common reaction image all over forums & twitter. i highly doubt he was using it to “compare” abel to a monkey. it’s a SEVERE reach to come to that conclusion in my opinion. a terrible mistake? for sure. a purposeful racist comment? no. i don’t think so. flying like 1000 birds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTV 12,769 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 im literally half monkey and im not offended Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuffy 1,023 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, AkariGaga said: So comparing black men to monkeys is a dumb mistake and people calling him out are the bad guys. My concern is that whatever the result of this situation, this person is going to be stained with this mistake for the foreseeable future and that is going to do more harm than good. I absolutely agree that he showed ignorance to context which has a offensive racial context, but the deletion of the post afterwards suggests he realized it was inappropriate and that's an important step to evolving as a person. This seems like a bad judgment call rather than a malicious attack. I may be extremely gullible but I feel like the best people to make the call on this matter are those who manage and know the writer more than we do, as well as the Weeknd himself. I'm concerned that the actions of those tweeting to fire him set a precedent where people who are suspected of deliberately offensive behaviour are immediately punished without being educated or having a chance to make it up. And in some cases, like potentially this one, people may be punished without knowing and meaning to do wrong to others. We talk a lot about having hard conversations and ostracizing people isn't going to make people genuinely understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasson 473 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Either he did it on purpose or he was really that stupid and ignorant; and either way he deserves the reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 4,072 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Whigney Houstan said: Bit of a reach. comparing any black person to a monkey is going to be racist, no matter what the context or the intention is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whigney Houstan 1,215 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Monstermilo said: comparing any black person to a monkey is going to be racist, no matter what the context or the intention is. Goofy to just assume that's what he was doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,975 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 4,072 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Whigney Houstan said: Goofy to just assume that's what he was doing. excuse me, he posted a pic of a monkey IN RESPONSE TO to the weeknd, WHAT ELSE WAS HE DOING ARE U OKAY? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 4,072 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Fuffy said: My concern is that whatever the result of this situation, this person is going to be stained with this mistake for the foreseeable future and that is going to do more harm than good. I absolutely agree that he showed ignorance to context which has a offensive racial context, but the deletion of the post afterwards suggests he realized it was inappropriate and that's an important step to evolving as a person. This seems like a bad judgment call rather than a malicious attack. I may be extremely gullible but I feel like the best people to make the call on this matter are those who manage and know the writer more than we do, as well as the Weeknd himself. I'm concerned that the actions of those tweeting to fire him set a precedent where people who are suspected of deliberately offensive behaviour are immediately punished without being educated or having a chance to make it up. And in some cases, like potentially this one, people may be punished without knowing and meaning to do wrong to others. We talk a lot about having hard conversations and ostracizing people isn't going to make people genuinely understand. im dead if you are intelligent enough to land a job at rolling stones as a WRITER, you are clearly intelligent enough to know that can be taken as a racist jab. hypothetically, if i were to make a racist joke towards someone at work, i would be fired or suspended, and if im fired, i will find another job and learn my lesson and never do that again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BLAiNE 1,136 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Yet another example of intention meaning nothing - only interpretation. These days it has nothing to do with what one intends with their words or actions - only how it’s interpreted by others. The link between this reaction meme and racism only exists now because people have decided to interpret it in that way. Similar thing happened with the H&M scandal where a boy was wearing a shirt saying ‘Coolest Monkey in the Jungle’. The boy’s own mother had no issue with it - she hadn’t even thought of it in a racist way, yet everyone else decided to interpret that it was surely a racist move on the part of H&M. Despite the fact, if one really thinks about it, why on Earth would a company knowingly decide do something that would absolutely destroy themselves publicly? These awful historic associations will continue to live on if we keep making these connections. We will never ever heal or move forward as a society if we continue to perpetuate historic stereotypes when there is no evidence to believe that was the intention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 2,843 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I'll keep it simple. The association of black people with monkeys is a well-established means of racially abusing black people. I don't find it credible that Tomas Mier made an innocent mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasson 473 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, 4BLAiNE said: Yet another example of intention meaning nothing - only interpretation. These days it has nothing to do with what one intends with their words or actions - only how it’s interpreted by others. The link between this reaction meme and racism only exists now because people have decided to interpret it in that way. Similar thing happened with the H&M scandal where a boy was wearing a shirt saying ‘Coolest Monkey in the Jungle’. The boy’s own mother had no issue with it - she hadn’t even thought of it in a racist way, yet everyone else decided to interpret that it was surely a racist move on the part of H&M. Despite the fact, if one really thinks about it, why on Earth would a company knowingly decide do something that would absolutely destroy themselves publicly? These awful historic associations will continue to live on if we keep making these connections. We will never ever heal or move forward as a society if we continue to perpetuate historic stereotypes when there is no evidence to believe that was the intention. Well, one in his position maybe should learn how certain things could be interpreted by others. And he should learn it fast. Also one does not "decide" to interpret things a certain way. If the perception of the people is that way you can not change it. Think before you speak, take responsibility and stop whining ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 45,826 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 next time just stick to chihuahua reaction memes mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga2645 2,162 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Fuffy said: Another day, another person being socially executed by online strangers for a dumb mistake. See here y’all go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuffy 1,023 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, Gaga2645 said: See here y’all go I'm sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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