(TW) Marilyn Manson ex-accuser admits lying: Evan Rachel Wood "manipulated me"

[Meta Mart 352]

I still feel like apologising for trying to argue discrepancies between the Evan and Brian case. I do feel manipulated. In fact just as recently as within the last few weeks, Marilyn's image was used in games of abuse against me, a recurrent game which is specific to abuse against me as particular. Perhaps in the situation I mean to bolster the better qualities and associations in my culture, rather than **** fighting attitudes. Now I Just think that the discrepancies in the overall process of different people's discommunication, represents commonal failings for a personal relationship of regard and the context of mutuality.

[moonsago 7,285]

1 hour ago, ProfessionalClown said:

Does no one here realize that EVAN is abusing these women tho? She abused Ashley. She used her when she was at a weak point and made her create false memories to defame this guy and use her as a pawn. Manipulation is a STRONG tactic and she has lost multiple people in this case because of that. I mean look at everyone who has retracted their statements or conceded and dealt with it out of court. 
 

He can finally start to hopefully reclaim his innocence. It’s always guilty until proven innocent until it’s you on the receiving end of a charge. This man has dealt with scrutiny and hate his entire career and even being blamed for f*cking columbine. He can’t catch a break. 

Let them be, time will tell 

[StrawberryBlond 14,900]

I still highly doubt this. It's rare to have victims retract statements in regular civilian cases but there's a huge amount of it in cases involving celebrities. "The accuser later dropped the charges" and "the accuser settled out of court" are the two most frequent verdicts. Hush money is a thing. Certain people, especially ones who've already had negative press, are all too willing to throw money at someone to convince them not to take the matter any further. And if you're not rich and famous and could really do with that money, many take it. With people like Manson, there's no smoke without fire. This stuff about him has been silently brewing for years, long before MeToo was even a twinkle in our eye.

1 hour ago, ProfessionalClown said:

He is absolutely innocent  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

There’s no evidence to prove anything he’s been accused of. At all. None. 

I'm an ex-fan of his and even I think he's guilty. I remember hearing stuff about things he did to his exes for years before now. I just followed him for the music and tried to block that out until the floodgates opened and made me unable to pretend it wasn't happening anymore. And there is evidence that he's guilty of abuse - his own autobiography. That came out in the 90's and yet, no one picked up on its contents all these years until recent events made us re-examine it all. He confessed to physically assaulting his own mother, stalking a woman who rejected him and threatening to rape her and run her over with her own car, that he even considered killing a woman so he could see what murder felt like and because "her existence meant so little to the world and to herself." These are his words, they were typed and published. Even if he was making it all up just to mess with us, what kind of person makes up such horrifying stuff? In a way, if he was lying about it, that's even more concerning. I heard a great phrase once: "Someone who's lying about being mentally ill is probably mentally ill." Someone who lies about such serious matters is most likely compensating for something. At the very least, there's the potential for them to do the things they're lying about.

[BUtterfield 8 41,506]

 

[moonsago 7,285]

51 minutes ago, HIM820 said:

 

You both are disgusting. 

People are entitled to have different opinions especially when the case is literally falling apart, just because you are invested in the narrative that women can’t be evil that doesn’t mean we all should be as well, especially when everything contradicts said narrative. I stand by what I said because I HAVE been keeping up with the case watching BOTH sides develop and listening to both sides and as of right now there’s literally NOTHING to convince me that she’s to be believed. If that ever changes I am more than happy to change my stance ( as I’ve been open to do ever since the beginning when I walked in ready to believe any of the two sides in case you think I have some bias against her, I literally never cared about any of them before but found the case important so I checked it out ) but I HIGHLY doubt. So while you think of me as disgusting, I will think of you as a sad brainwashed sheep that follows the herd of easy to emotionally manipulate people. 

[Catterson 197]

Some people need a reality check. We're on a website dedicated to a sexual abuse survivor and advocate. Whether there is physical proof or not, there is still enough weight in words as to not call someone 100% innocent. What happened to 'believe survivors'? Y'all are disappointing.

I've watched Evan's documentary, I've looked through the publicly available information on both ends. It doesn't look squeaky clean at all whatsoever. I hope the music is really worth it because if you have no doubt in your mind you're contributing to the harmful stigma against woman who are sexually abused. 

[Guest]

Ok…. One (or two) victims lied. But after all the OTHER allegations and scriptures that I’ve heard from his book, im still not convinced that he’s harmless at this point.

[Versace 7,979]

1 hour ago, moonsago said:

People are entitled to have different opinions especially when the case is literally falling apart, just because you are invested in the narrative that women can’t be evil that doesn’t mean we all should be as well, especially when everything contradicts said narrative. I stand by what I said because I HAVE been keeping up with the case watching BOTH sides develop and listening to both sides and as of right now there’s literally NOTHING to convince me that she’s to be believed. If that ever changes I am more than happy to change my stance ( as I’ve been open to do ever since the beginning when I walked in ready to believe any of the two sides in case you think I have some bias against her, I literally never cared about any of them before but found the case important so I checked it out ) but I HIGHLY doubt. So while you think of me as disgusting, I will think of you as a sad brainwashed sheep that follows the herd of easy to emotionally manipulate people. 

I don’t have any idea about this case, nor have I looked into it and thus I can’t form an opinion yet. I will say however seeing you and another user getting disrespected and people getting personal with you just for respectfully stating your own personal viewpoint and backing up your reasoning is disgusting. This site has literally become an extremist leftie site and the heavy media conditioning of having to be “woke” and “cancelling the problematic” has somehow replaced having a civil conversation or agreeing to disagree. So sadly I think no point in you sharing the unpopular opinion on here, as it’ll immediately be overlooked and you’ll face backlash for going against the grain. 

[Economy 50,099]

4 hours ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

The hush money continues. Just watch the documentary and all your questions will be answered. Is it really a shock to believe he did this to these women? He literally said he had fantasies about bashing women's heads in. Sure, he's totally innocent 😂

What kind of documentary is this? Genuinely asking cuz I don't really know anything about this case

 

But I've always considered documentaries one of the worst possible ways to try to figure out a side because they are nearly always biased towards one side or another

[Economy 50,099]

2 hours ago, HIM820 said:

 

You both are disgusting. 

I find the threshold for calling ppl "disgusting" is exceptionally low these days

 

If disagreeing with u is "disgusting". That word has no real weight factor anymore 

[PartySick 161,448]

9 minutes ago, Versace said:

This site has literally become an extremist leftie site and the heavy media conditioning of having to be “woke” and “cancelling the problematic” has somehow replaced having a civil conversation or agreeing to disagree.

None of this please, thank you.

People simply doubt his innocence despite this retraction of allegations and for many, it's a personal and touchy topic. It's that simple and has nothing to do with being "woke".

[Economy 50,099]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I still highly doubt this. It's rare to have victims retract statements in regular civilian cases but there's a huge amount of it in cases involving celebrities. "The accuser later dropped the charges" and "the accuser settled out of court" are the two most frequent verdicts. Hush money is a thing. Certain people, especially ones who've already had negative press, are all too willing to throw money at someone to convince them not to take the matter any further. And if you're not rich and famous and could really do with that money, many take it. With people like Manson, there's no smoke without fire. This stuff about him has been silently brewing for years, long before MeToo was even a twinkle in our eye.

I'm an ex-fan of his and even I think he's guilty. I remember hearing stuff about things he did to his exes for years before now. I just followed him for the music and tried to block that out until the floodgates opened and made me unable to pretend it wasn't happening anymore. And there is evidence that he's guilty of abuse - his own autobiography. That came out in the 90's and yet, no one picked up on its contents all these years until recent events made us re-examine it all. He confessed to physically assaulting his own mother, stalking a woman who rejected him and threatening to rape her and run her over with her own car, that he even considered killing a woman so he could see what murder felt like and because "her existence meant so little to the world and to herself." These are his words, they were typed and published. Even if he was making it all up just to mess with us, what kind of person makes up such horrifying stuff? In a way, if he was lying about it, that's even more concerning. I heard a great phrase once: "Someone who's lying about being mentally ill is probably mentally ill." Someone who lies about such serious matters is most likely compensating for something. At the very least, there's the potential for them to do the things they're lying about.

I'm kinda the same. When it's cases involving a celebrity I don't trust stuff as easily cuz so much stuff can be involved especially with money like the hush money

 

I'm marginally more skeptical with an accusation before evidence in the first place if it's a celebrity case, but I'm also not swayed at all by a retraction

 

If I was abused, and offered $2M to shut up... Tbh that $2M would fix a lot more problems in my life than a vindication of my accusation and I might seriously consider the offer despite moral implications.

 

So I don't think a retraction proves anything when it involves wealthy people/celebrities

[Bling 31,456]

1 hour ago, Economy said:

What kind of documentary is this? Genuinely asking cuz I don't really know anything about this case

 

But I've always considered documentaries one of the worst possible ways to try to figure out a side because they are nearly always biased towards one side or another

Phoenix Rising which documents ERW's fight for the Phoenix Act, a bill the extends the statue of limitations on sexual assault claims in California. It also uses witnesses testimony, Manson's own words from his autobiography, videos and audio of Manson saying he would and fantasizes about killing and bashing ERW's head in, just to name a few.

[ProfessionalClown 10,647]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I still highly doubt this. It's rare to have victims retract statements in regular civilian cases but there's a huge amount of it in cases involving celebrities. "The accuser later dropped the charges" and "the accuser settled out of court" are the two most frequent verdicts. Hush money is a thing. Certain people, especially ones who've already had negative press, are all too willing to throw money at someone to convince them not to take the matter any further. And if you're not rich and famous and could really do with that money, many take it. With people like Manson, there's no smoke without fire. This stuff about him has been silently brewing for years, long before MeToo was even a twinkle in our eye.

I'm an ex-fan of his and even I think he's guilty. I remember hearing stuff about things he did to his exes for years before now. I just followed him for the music and tried to block that out until the floodgates opened and made me unable to pretend it wasn't happening anymore. And there is evidence that he's guilty of abuse - his own autobiography. That came out in the 90's and yet, no one picked up on its contents all these years until recent events made us re-examine it all. He confessed to physically assaulting his own mother, stalking a woman who rejected him and threatening to rape her and run her over with her own car, that he even considered killing a woman so he could see what murder felt like and because "her existence meant so little to the world and to herself." These are his words, they were typed and published. Even if he was making it all up just to mess with us, what kind of person makes up such horrifying stuff? In a way, if he was lying about it, that's even more concerning. I heard a great phrase once: "Someone who's lying about being mentally ill is probably mentally ill." Someone who lies about such serious matters is most likely compensating for something. At the very least, there's the potential for them to do the things they're lying about.

The autobiography is 0 evidence. It was an exaggerated and fictional recounting of different part so this life that he did for shock value. Him and his mom were never like that, not to mention his father even recounted things and said none that was true. Literally none of the book was true except for the retellings of the band stories and all the crazy **** they did on stage alongside the things that happened to him when he was a kid.

[ProfessionalClown 10,647]

4 hours ago, BUtterfield 8 said:

 

This was Evans lawyer, of course they’re gonna say this. 
 

evan literally sent out emails and messaged people asking to “create stories” about manson. Like cmon