Melanie Martinez

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  On 3/30/2025 at 3:21 AM, hELXIG said:

Stanning isn't inherently toxic. Artists like Gaga and Melanie write their music directly about their life experiences and points of view. Who they are as people shines a huge light of context over their work. If it were confirmed she was a terrible person behind the scenes, how could I listen to Leeches or Show & Tell ever again knowing how fake they are? Unfortunately for some people like myself, our enjoyment of the music is directly tied to the artist as a person. Which is probably why I only listen to a handful of artists

Edit: PS I also don't like supporting bad people. Every stream I know the money is going to a terrible person I just feel moral guilt

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I think getting emotionally invested in a total stranger, even if it is an artist, is toxic to yourself tbh.

I mean, over the past year or so I've had a couple total crash outs over how disappointed I've been in Gaga 'cause I put too much of myself into her sphere  I've torn up my stan card and learned to see her as a singer and nothing more and I can actually enjoy her music again  

I never got to know Melanie beyond what she put in her music or in a video and I'm definitely cool with it staying like that so hurt feelings or a sour taste don't take away some of my favorite music.

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:28 AM, artdoll said:

And yes, I too feel that guilt of supporting an unsavory person. I just remind myself that my 1-3 streams amount to maybe 0.00001% of a penny that they'll ever see. Since, y'know, streaming paying artists dust and all.

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This is why y'all gotta get into being pie-rats🏴‍☠️ 

I shamelessly jam to R. Kelly, David Bowie, and probably a few others who I can't think of rn despite the fact that they are/were predators or otherwise bad people. I keep the music, they get nothing.

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:24 AM, artdoll said:

This is the only part that lowkey gets me though, I don't want to blindly support just anyone either. Before I become a "fan" I at least like to do some research and see if they're a decent person and where their morals lie tbh. I know, it's probably super weird, but it's something I do. 

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Lately I've been saying "the less I know about them the better"  

I've discovered a ton of new artists lately who create incredible music. I don't wanna get wrapped up in them as people anymore. I got my own things going on. 

I've also just kinda learned to value strangers less? If that makes sense. Like, who cares if I like a song from an artist who isn't great. I'm not trying to be their friend, I just wanna listen to their music. Otherwise they can f*ck off

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  On 3/30/2025 at 3:39 AM, hELXIG said:

Exactly. With things like the jewellery I made excuses like that for her but I'm not sure anymore. Not to **** on anyone elses beliefs, but I honestly think her diving so deep into spirituality changed her for the worst. The fact she's been told she's a 'higher being' and mentioned this before screams superiority complex. I wish she just got a proper therapist instead of that first spiritualist Raven who completely indoctrinated her  

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Yeah, I don't want to say I wrote those things off as that would imply I ignored them, because I didn't. Rather I acknowledged they happened, wasn't excited about it, didn't support it and moved on. Especially in regards to those business ventures of her with the NFTs and the jewelry. I think the saying that anything in excess is bad for you would probably be appropriate here. I strongly believe that Melanie seriously struggles with fame and how it has more than likely exacerbated her anxiety and probably caused a toll on her mental health. Her fanbase is rabid. It literally says so on her official pages. And they wouldn't hesitate to turn around and bite her either. As for Raven, if I recall correctly, I think Mel once said that Raven told her (pre-fame) that she would become a star and then when it happened, she continued to go back to her. This is going to sound absolutely HORRIBLE on my part, so please forgive me, but I would not at all for a second be surprised if Raven just said that for the sake of it and then when it happened, Melanie became increasingly invested in what Raven had to say and maybe even pick it up for herself. These two things combined lead me to believe the spirituality she is quite vocal about might just be an escape for her, one that has, to our knowledge never made her unhappy.

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:39 AM, hELXIG said:

They did all live together in her house with the heart shaped pool, but they randomly both moved out one day and said on live it was very sudden so they both have to move back home for a bit and get on their feet. I honestly thought they were taking advantage of Melanie because neither seemed to have a job, and when Leeches came out I actually thought it was about them. But to be fair to all parties, it's very hard living with friends and it often ends badly

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Yeah I think this is more than likely what occurred, they were probably really good friends and thought "what could be better than living with my besties?" and when they moved in they realized that they were not the match made in heaven they thought they were and decided to split apart. You truly come to find out who someone is when you live with them. That's a whole different playing field lol -- Hopefully they're on good terms with each other though. They probably don't speak about it because they hold no malice and are probably hurt things didn't work out? 

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:39 AM, hELXIG said:

Yeah you're right, her fans probably bullied the **** out of him. We don't know how much to believe from Verde but I always got a good vibe from him. I saw him at her show taking pics and thought he seemed so calm and sweet, but you never know. If what he said is true about the manager and the dogs and how quickly she moved on to this new guy, I was already disappointed. But for her to then immediately post stories of her and her new bf together and walking the dog she won't let him see.. that is nasty, vindictive, mean girl ****. Then it was immediately back to the spiritualism positivity stuff which felt so off

I'm not an immature 12 year old fan who's gonna burn everything and hate her. It feels more like when someone you care about has disappointed you. You still love them, but it's hard to unsee it all. Just disappointment. And I'll still listen to her music but I just haven't been naturally feeling like listening to it lately  

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Yeah... As unfortunate as it may be, I think the reality is that her fans attacked him and he turned everything off for his own well being. We can only go based off the very little context and information we were given. For all we know it could be something as extreme as Verde cheating and Melanie trying to get back at him. Maybe he wasn't as good as we once thought, heck, maybe it's the opposite way around. We have no clue and probably never will tbh.

And yes, I agree. It's more of a disappointing thing to witness someone who you care about be in this kind of situation? But since we don't know details we can't say much. As for the merch destroying... we lost so many Melanie relics lol all that OG merch and CDs/Vinyls. oof.

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  On 3/30/2025 at 3:39 AM, hELXIG said:

Yeah it's very hard to take these things on board when they've been so influential to you. I know these are parasocial relationships but it still affects you because this person has influenced our lives and their voice has been in the background so much for so long. If they're actually evil like R Kelly and P Diddy, even if I like the music I'll delete it and never look back. But it's not like the end of the world is someone is just a bitch  

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Sorry! forgot to quote this one too.

I agree. It can be very difficult to stop supporting an artist whose presence was very much so prominent in your life, especially when you were quite literally a child. I had the same thing with Nicki Minaj tbh, I was never a hardcore Barb but I considered myself a casual fan and thought her to be incredibly witty, charismatic, hilarious and gorgeous. Her songs were an escape for me during a period in my life that was very difficult. (I think @PartySick said something about being a fan of Nicki's as well but no longer is as big of one? Apologies if I'm wrong.) The correlation being that, as you said, even if not the main focus, these artists' voices were in the background and their art and who they are as a person offer, to us, or maybe just me, inspiration. An escape. Someone/thing to look up to and forward to (like new releases, etc.)

But yes, it's not the end of the world if someone is being a diva and, living in the world we do where women tend to be far more scrutinized than their male peers, it's even more so confusing and at times hard to believe what is true or not when it's a woman who is the villain. 

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  On 3/30/2025 at 3:43 AM, PartySick said:

I think getting emotionally invested in a total stranger, even if it is an artist, is toxic to yourself tbh.

I mean, over the past year or so I've had a couple total crash outs over how disappointed I've been in Gaga 'cause I put too much of myself into her sphere  I've torn up my stan card and learned to see her as a singer and nothing more and I can actually enjoy her music again  

I never got to know Melanie beyond what she put in her music or in a video and I'm definitely cool with it staying like that so hurt feelings or a sour taste don't take away some of my favorite music.

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This is true, but, I think a lot of times it goes beyond being invested in a "stranger" and for a lot of people, they see themselves in that person or someone who they believe to be a good person. So when something breaks that perspective its all the more intense?

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:43 AM, PartySick said:

This is why y'all gotta get into being pie-rats🏴‍☠️ 

I shamelessly jam to R. Kelly, David Bowie, and probably a few others who I can't think of rn despite the fact that they are/were predators or otherwise bad people. I keep the music, they get nothing.

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Sir, I have never been a pie-rat, allegedly. ALLEGEDLY! 

but for me, I have no idea lol. Maybe something in me wants to actually support someone and their craft because I want to see more of it. I have no clue how to even go about wording my thoughts regarding this, please forgive me.

  On 3/30/2025 at 3:43 AM, PartySick said:

Lately I've been saying "the less I know about them the better"  

I've discovered a ton of new artists lately who create incredible music. I don't wanna get wrapped up in them as people anymore. I got my own things going on. 

I've also just kinda learned to value strangers less? If that makes sense. Like, who cares if I like a song from an artist who isn't great. I'm not trying to be their friend, I just wanna listen to their music. Otherwise they can f*ck off

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I can do this to an extent, but never completely. I can't bring myself to do it, no idea why. Maybe the subconscious fear that I'm unintentionally supporting someone who is scummy and using that money to help fund far more unsavory people, but you could make that argument about streaming Gaga's music and the streaming portions going to people who aren't Gaga that could potentially be bad people. That's another can of worms.

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  On 3/30/2025 at 4:09 AM, artdoll said:

(I think @PartySick said something about being a fan of Nicki's as well but no longer is as big of one? Apologies if I'm wrong.)

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I feel so called out  

Lmao I was a fan, never a stan though. I lost interest when she sold out and started slapping her verses on pop stars' songs then claiming their success as her own. 

She stopped being an artist and became an accessory and I don't stan shiny things just 'cause they're shiny  

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:15 AM, artdoll said:

I can do this to an extent, but never completely. I can't bring myself to do it, no idea why. Maybe the subconscious fear that I'm unintentionally supporting someone who is scummy and using that money to help fund far more unsavory people, but you could make that argument about streaming Gaga's music and the streaming portions going to people who aren't Gaga that could potentially be bad people. That's another can of worms.

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Everyone's got their own lines in the sand tbh. But yeah, trying to morally consume music in today's industry is even harder than trying to go on a "preservative free diet" or "avoid micro plastics"  

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:15 AM, artdoll said:

This is true, but, I think a lot of times it goes beyond being invested in a "stranger" and for a lot of people, they see themselves in that person or someone who they believe to be a good person. So when something breaks that perspective its all the more intense?

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This is so real though  

I crashed out hard with Gaga until I realized how dumb it was to be upset over what some Malibu mansion having multimillionaire did or did not do. I like her music, that's enough attachment. Shouldn't be getting in my fefes over a celebrity, it's not healthy.

And that's really the conclusion that drove me to this thinking. I'm not gonna torture myself, avoid things I like, or force myself to like something and that's what stanning requires you to do. 

I'd rather be removed and independent from all that noise.

Also I'm 30 now so maybe it was well past time to grow out of it

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  On 3/30/2025 at 4:35 AM, PartySick said:

I feel so called out  

Lmao I was a fan, never a stan though. I lost interest when she sold out and started slapping her verses on pop stars' songs then claiming their success as her own. 

She stopped being an artist and became an accessory and I don't stan shiny things just 'cause they're shiny  

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 sorry. I remember the most random things.

For me it was kind of like the Pink Diamond storyline in Steven Universe, how we loved Rose then a lot of fans ended up hating her in the end. I think you know what I'm talking about lol. I really loved her a lot and then suddenly something shifted and it was like that fun side was gone and all the controversies going on were also something. But, I can respect that she did what she had to do, go pop to get a name, then went back to her rapping roots.

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:35 AM, PartySick said:

Everyone's got their own lines in the sand tbh. But yeah, trying to morally consume music in today's industry is even harder than trying to go on a "preservative free diet" or "avoid micro plastics"  

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 Well, yes! I guess I just want to try and do my best to be a good person and not actively support people who I *know* aren't. But also I'm crazy in my own way so maybe I'm just overthinking it all.

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:35 AM, PartySick said:

This is so real though  

I crashed out hard with Gaga until I realized how dumb it was to be upset over what some Malibu mansion having multimillionaire did or did not do. I like her music, that's enough attachment. Shouldn't be getting in my fefes over a celebrity, it's not healthy.

And that's really the conclusion that drove me to this thinking. I'm not gonna torture myself, avoid things I like, or force myself to like something and that's what stanning requires you to do. 

I'd rather be removed and independent from all that noise.

Also I'm 30 now so maybe it was well past time to grow out of it

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I think maybe when we were younger it was something we heavily leaned on as a crutch. Most because we just weren't getting the support we needed, and wanted, from our realities so we turned to celebrities. These celebrities offered us an escape without the whole knowing them personally. At least for me, anyhow. 

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  On 3/30/2025 at 4:43 AM, artdoll said:

 sorry. I remember the most random things.

For me it was kind of like the Pink Diamond storyline in Steven Universe, how we loved Rose then a lot of fans ended up hating her in the end. I think you know what I'm talking about lol. I really loved her a lot and then suddenly something shifted and it was like that fun side was gone and all the controversies going on were also something. But, I can respect that she did what she had to do, go pop to get a name, then went back to her rapping roots.

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literally just remembered that Nicki Minaj voices a character in Steven Universe. I'm onto something here @PartySick!

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  On 3/30/2025 at 4:44 AM, artdoll said:

literally just remembered that Nicki Minaj voices a character in Steven Universe. I'm onto something here @PartySick!

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The way they joked about not being able to afford her speaking again after this episode  

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:43 AM, artdoll said:

For me it was kind of like the Pink Diamond storyline in Steven Universe, how we loved Rose then a lot of fans ended up hating her in the end. I think you know what I'm talking about lol. I really loved her a lot and then suddenly something shifted and it was like that fun side was gone and all the controversies going on were also something. But, I can respect that she did what she had to do, go pop to get a name, then went back to her rapping roots.

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It's so funny I actually recently started rewatching SU  

Pink/Rose is such an interesting character. Love that she's not objectively good or bad, just a traumatized individual that could be selfish, idealistic, and oblivious to the feelings of those around her. She adored humans for their ability to grow, change, and invent themselves 'cause it was the antithesis of what gems were - born for a purpose and expected to fill the role they were made for - but ironically, she was the most humanized character on the show besides Steven himself  

Love me some Pink Diamond  

Anyway yeah, Nicki fell off  

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  On 3/30/2025 at 4:01 AM, artdoll said:

Yeah, I don't want to say I wrote those things off as that would imply I ignored them, because I didn't. Rather I acknowledged they happened, wasn't excited about it, didn't support it and moved on. Especially in regards to those business ventures of her with the NFTs and the jewelry. I think the saying that anything in excess is bad for you would probably be appropriate here. I strongly believe that Melanie seriously struggles with fame and how it has more than likely exacerbated her anxiety and probably caused a toll on her mental health. Her fanbase is rabid. It literally says so on her official pages. And they wouldn't hesitate to turn around and bite her either. As for Raven, if I recall correctly, I think Mel once said that Raven told her (pre-fame) that she would become a star and then when it happened, she continued to go back to her. This is going to sound absolutely HORRIBLE on my part, so please forgive me, but I would not at all for a second be surprised if Raven just said that for the sake of it and then when it happened, Melanie became increasingly invested in what Raven had to say and maybe even pick it up for herself. These two things combined lead me to believe the spirituality she is quite vocal about might just be an escape for her, one that has, to our knowledge never made her unhappy.

Yeah I think this is more than likely what occurred, they were probably really good friends and thought "what could be better than living with my besties?" and when they moved in they realized that they were not the match made in heaven they thought they were and decided to split apart. You truly come to find out who someone is when you live with them. That's a whole different playing field lol -- Hopefully they're on good terms with each other though. They probably don't speak about it because they hold no malice and are probably hurt things didn't work out? 

Yeah... As unfortunate as it may be, I think the reality is that her fans attacked him and he turned everything off for his own well being. We can only go based off the very little context and information we were given. For all we know it could be something as extreme as Verde cheating and Melanie trying to get back at him. Maybe he wasn't as good as we once thought, heck, maybe it's the opposite way around. We have no clue and probably never will tbh.

And yes, I agree. It's more of a disappointing thing to witness someone who you care about be in this kind of situation? But since we don't know details we can't say much. As for the merch destroying... we lost so many Melanie relics lol all that OG merch and CDs/Vinyls. oof.

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Both of us immediately after saying we don't wanna get too caught up in it all 

Even way back then I remember thinking her spirituality was an escape for her. Which is fine, everybody is entitled to find their own belief systems to find happiness, peace and healing in their lives. But on the other hand I know a lot of people turn to religion or spirituality to absolve themselves of guilt without taking responsibility of things, and then their beliefs become like a 'cover-all' solution or answer to everything. If I treat someone badly it's okay because it was meant to be or it's just moving their life path forward and teaching them lessons. That's why I avoid people who are heavily into their beliefs.

At the end of the day we don't know anything about their relationship, or who Melanie is, or who she ever was, outside the public persona. The only thing that we know for sure is she did post the pics of her new partner and the video of the dog in a spiteful, mean way. I guess that's the thing, anytime I've questioned her it's always been vague. Like a 'we really don't know the reality of things' situation. But this time it was irrefutable  which makes me question all the other times I've given her the benefit of the doubt. I also just never understood how someone who makes music about lifting up hurt people and commentary on society and being a good person and treating each other right could possibly be an unkind person

That's so true   I never thought about that before. If she's around for a long time, collectors in another decade are gonna have a really hard time finding Crybaby era stuff. The great merch burning really made them rare items overnight

  On 3/30/2025 at 4:09 AM, artdoll said:

Sorry! forgot to quote this one too.

I agree. It can be very difficult to stop supporting an artist whose presence was very much so prominent in your life, especially when you were quite literally a child. I had the same thing with Nicki Minaj tbh, I was never a hardcore Barb but I considered myself a casual fan and thought her to be incredibly witty, charismatic, hilarious and gorgeous. Her songs were an escape for me during a period in my life that was very difficult. (I think @PartySick said something about being a fan of Nicki's as well but no longer is as big of one? Apologies if I'm wrong.) The correlation being that, as you said, even if not the main focus, these artists' voices were in the background and their art and who they are as a person offer, to us, or maybe just me, inspiration. An escape. Someone/thing to look up to and forward to (like new releases, etc.)

But yes, it's not the end of the world if someone is being a diva and, living in the world we do where women tend to be far more scrutinized than their male peers, it's even more so confusing and at times hard to believe what is true or not when it's a woman who is the villain. 

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It can be heartbreaking to realise something you don't agree with in one of your favourite artists. I guess what it comes down to is all the memories of being at her shows, meeting her, hugging her, jumping up and down and cheering and feeling just so happy and having the best experiences of my life at her shows, a few rows from the front, feeling connected to her. Those are special moments and memories and it would hurt to have all of that history in my life tainted. It's hard to separate the artist from the music when you've had experiences like that. The best memories I have with Melanie are moments I was with her irl

 

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  On 3/30/2025 at 6:22 AM, hELXIG said:

Both of us immediately after saying we don't wanna get too caught up in it all 

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 It's true!

  On 3/30/2025 at 6:22 AM, hELXIG said:

Even way back then I remember thinking her spirituality was an escape for her. Which is fine, everybody is entitled to find their own belief systems to find happiness, peace and healing in their lives. But on the other hand I know a lot of people turn to religion or spirituality to absolve themselves of guilt without taking responsibility of things, and then their beliefs become like a 'cover-all' solution or answer to everything. If I treat someone badly it's okay because it was meant to be or it's just moving their life path forward and teaching them lessons. That's why I avoid people who are heavily into their beliefs.

At the end of the day we don't know anything about their relationship, or who Melanie is, or who she ever was, outside the public persona. The only thing that we know for sure is she did post the pics of her new partner and the video of the dog in a spiteful, mean way. I guess that's the thing, anytime I've questioned her it's always been vague. Like a 'we really don't know the reality of things' situation. But this time it was irrefutable  which makes me question all the other times I've given her the benefit of the doubt. I also just never understood how someone who makes music about lifting up hurt people and commentary on society and being a good person and treating each other right could possibly be an unkind person

That's so true   I never thought about that before. If she's around for a long time, collectors in another decade are gonna have a really hard time finding Crybaby era stuff. The great merch burning really made them rare items overnight

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Oh for sure, It's really terrible how so many people use their belief system or religion as an excuse to hurt other people without repercussions. I would hate if that were the case with Melanie, I'd like to believe it's not. Even if I don't know her personally, she just doesn't seem like that kind of person. I think she's very aware of the opinions from media, press, fans, etc. but chooses to stay quiet about it. Like you said, we don't truly know who she is behind closed doors. One thing is for certain though, ever since 2017 she has practically severed her communication with fans and, even though it almost already was, made her personal life almost exclusively private (like Sia for example), I don't blame her for it at all though. I think most people, if famous, would do the same exact thing. I don't think Melanie is a bad person, but I think that, like most humans do, she has made and will continue to make mistakes. Now, choosing to purposely do something to hurt someone of course is not a "mistake", but, as we've already established, we don't know the truth in the matter. I feel that Melanie is still almost figuring out who she is to be honest? She finally closed the Cry Baby chapter that her life has revolved around for the last 10 years or so. I don't blame her for wanting to completely change and let go of the era and character. My hope, if anything, is that there is no bad blood between her and Verde and everything works out smoothly and they're able to properly communicate. There's definitely a lot of context missing, especially since we only have Verde's side of things.

Exactly! I know those people were mad and wanted to take it out on her somehow, but to destroy the merch made no sense to me then and definitely not now. They already have your money since you purchased the product, at least do yourself a service by selling it off and get something out of it. Hell, I even saw videos of fans destroying SIGNED merchandise / physical copies of music.  Whatever might've been archived by fans online (such as photos, etc.) may honestly be our only means of seeing certain merch from the Cry Baby era. Especially with some of those vinyl's which are worth a lot of money now.

  On 3/30/2025 at 6:22 AM, hELXIG said:

It can be heartbreaking to realise something you don't agree with in one of your favourite artists. I guess what it comes down to is all the memories of being at her shows, meeting her, hugging her, jumping up and down and cheering and feeling just so happy and having the best experiences of my life at her shows, a few rows from the front, feeling connected to her. Those are special moments and memories and it would hurt to have all of that history in my life tainted. It's hard to separate the artist from the music when you've had experiences like that. The best memories I have with Melanie are moments I was with her irl

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100% It's a very deeply sad feeling to detach yourself from something or someone that you genuinely believed was good / good for you. I've never had those personal experiences with Melanie so you're valid in feeling that way, for sure. Sounds like you had some pretty special moments! I think you should remember those moments fondly and look back at the joy you both experienced and shared together. I'm sure she genuinely felt the same way at that time and loved having those moments with you and every other fan who was lucky enough to do the same!

 

...MM4 is gonna be crazy lol -- No more Cry Baby, just Melanie. We're definitely in for something!

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  On 3/30/2025 at 7:49 AM, artdoll said:

 It's true!

Oh for sure, It's really terrible how so many people use their belief system or religion as an excuse to hurt other people without repercussions. I would hate if that were the case with Melanie, I'd like to believe it's not. Even if I don't know her personally, she just doesn't seem like that kind of person. I think she's very aware of the opinions from media, press, fans, etc. but chooses to stay quiet about it. Like you said, we don't truly know who she is behind closed doors. One thing is for certain though, ever since 2017 she has practically severed her communication with fans and, even though it almost already was, made her personal life almost exclusively private (like Sia for example), I don't blame her for it at all though. I think most people, if famous, would do the same exact thing. I don't think Melanie is a bad person, but I think that, like most humans do, she has made and will continue to make mistakes. Now, choosing to purposely do something to hurt someone of course is not a "mistake", but, as we've already established, we don't know the truth in the matter. I feel that Melanie is still almost figuring out who she is to be honest? She finally closed the Cry Baby chapter that her life has revolved around for the last 10 years or so. I don't blame her for wanting to completely change and let go of the era and character. My hope, if anything, is that there is no bad blood between her and Verde and everything works out smoothly and they're able to properly communicate. There's definitely a lot of context missing, especially since we only have Verde's side of things.

Exactly! I know those people were mad and wanted to take it out on her somehow, but to destroy the merch made no sense to me then and definitely not now. They already have your money since you purchased the product, at least do yourself a service by selling it off and get something out of it. Hell, I even saw videos of fans destroying SIGNED merchandise / physical copies of music.  Whatever might've been archived by fans online (such as photos, etc.) may honestly be our only means of seeing certain merch from the Cry Baby era. Especially with some of those vinyl's which are worth a lot of money now.

100% It's a very deeply sad feeling to detach yourself from something or someone that you genuinely believed was good / good for you. I've never had those personal experiences with Melanie so you're valid in feeling that way, for sure. Sounds like you had some pretty special moments! I think you should remember those moments fondly and look back at the joy you both experienced and shared together. I'm sure she genuinely felt the same way at that time and loved having those moments with you and every other fan who was lucky enough to do the same!

 

...MM4 is gonna be crazy lol -- No more Cry Baby, just Melanie. We're definitely in for something!

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Yeah I'm just a little put off at the moment but we'll let time play things out. Something I've learnt is that you never know how you'll feel about something in a week, a month, a year, a decade. Gotta figure it out as you go

It's because most of her fanbase are very young and/or immature so they don't yet know how to process their emotions in a healthy way. So instead of talking their feelings through with mutuals or friends and saying they've been turned off her and putting the merch to the side, they have to get angry and destroy. And I guess everything is so performative these days they need to put on a performance online to get attention. Mob mentality

I still do cherish those moments. I always will

Yeah I'm super curious to see what we get on MM4. I feel like she's so different now than she was, and also Crybaby is completely gone. Like I'm curious what themes will be explored. Crybaby was so unique in it's concept because it was written like old school fairytales/nursery rhymes. And finding creative twists to put on childhood themes gave her such a huge pool for inspiration. She carried that on in K-12 but added a lot of social commentary under the school metaphor. After School was the first look at music that was Melanie herself with no Crybaby influence, just her spirituality, and it was very creative and different. Portals is starting to shed the Crybaby theme but she still found ways to create some very conceptual songs like Spider Web, The Contortionist, Leeches.. but others are more so rooted in reality like Evil, Battle Of The Larynx and Void (which were a bit jarring for some fans).

I'm curious if she's going to lean in to some other huge, overarching theme like Crybaby, and create a very cohesive album centred around on big concept, or just create a collection of personal songs more like After School/some of Portals. Will the songs explore creative ideas she's had, or be more grounded in reality and her experiences..

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I haven’t paid attention to her controversies for a while now so I won’t comment on that. The Leeches MV is pretty nice, a bit predictable but I don’t mind.