Prominent Hogwarts Legacy voice actor alt-right activist

[Benji 20,113]

1 minute ago, holy scheisse said:

So Twitter has value to you and you continue using it … and video games have value to other people and so they shall continue using them too 

just because games are “silly” to you doesn’t mean they are to other people.

 

and even if you convinced the like, 5 people in here to return their copy of this game, are you really making an impact on the transphobia problem in this world or are you just shaming queer people in the name of advocating for queer people ? You say you’re not trying to be superior but you’ve also verbatim said you’re judging everybody… whatever lol I’m disengaging but thanks for answering my question. 

Twitter has a completely different value and use in the world than a game, it’s not a hard concept to grasp!  But you’re welcome 

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8 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

This right here.

I'm still, and will always be a far left person - but the extremist approach we've been watching on the right is now on the left as well and I can see that we're pushing a lot of well-meaning people into a place of apathy.

People aren't going to fight for a minority community that does nothing but mock, shame, and demand purity of action at all times when they don't need to.

If you think any of this discourse is extremist/an equivalent of anything the far right does… I hate to break it to you but you are in no way “far left” or ultra progressive. I would say, if anything, you’re probably center left or even moderate. Also you shouldn’t have to be convinced to “fight for a minority community.” If feeling mocked or shamed makes you root against that community, you were never an ally and probably never will be. A person like that lacks ethics and will center themselves in every issue and problem facing the world. 

[Swando 300]

Exactly what is the point of this thread, other than just stirring up drama?

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1 minute ago, Swando said:

Exactly what is the point of this thread, other than just stirring up drama?

Its intention was to highlight how there’s even more bad people profiting from the game.  Then people piled in to defend still supporting it and an argument/debate broke out.  People wouldn’t valiantly defend buying it if they didn’t feel some guilt 

[ProfessionalClown 10,640]

Consuming in a capitalistic society in any form is not ethical so whether or not you buy the game doesn’t mean anything lol you’re just doing it for your own ego and to make yourself feel like a better person.

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1 hour ago, Benji said:

It’s not freaking out, it’s pretty easy to boycott specific brands, stores or products when you know that money is being used to further hate campaigns.

When we’ve been asked by our own community to think about whether it’s ethical to support something, we should listen.  Especially when it’s such a small concession like not buying a game?

So I'm guessing you have a smartphone? Did you know that those are produced in conditions pretty close to slave labor, with rare earth minerals mined sometimes by children? Are you boycotting those phones too? Computers? Or are you okay with slave and child labor? The fact that you're responding here tells me probably not unless you're going to a library or some other public access computer. Did you know that if you live in the US (at least), your ISP is also more than likely donating to political groups that probably don't align with your beliefs and fund hate groups? It's easy to cherry pick fights and sit high and mighty on topics you personally might edge others out in, it's something else to apply that logic to every portion of your life. The truth is that there is no ethical consumption in the capitalist world. So unless you intend on homesteading and providing everything in the world yourself, it's hypocritical to judge others for how they choose to spend their money. Instead of complaining on some fansite and turning people off to your cause even more than they already are, maybe spend that time donating and volunteering to the causes you're apparently for. 

[Pennywise 35,841]

Calling to  boycott a very hateful - and harmful, with real-life consequences - TERF's product = extreme left wing ideology to some of you apparently 

[Benji 20,113]

Not every argument for supporting the game being this meme

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2 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

So I'm guessing you have a smartphone? Did you know that those are produced in conditions pretty close to slave labor, with rare earth minerals mined sometimes by children? Are you boycotting those phones too? Computers? Or are you okay with slave and child labor? The fact that you're responding here tells me probably not unless you're going to a library or some other public access computer. Did you know that if you live in the US (at least), your ISP is also more than likely donating to political groups that probably don't align with your beliefs and fund hate groups? It's easy to cherry pick fights and sit high and mighty on topics you personally might edge others out in, it's something else to apply that logic to every portion of your life. The truth is that there is no ethical consumption in the capitalist world. So unless you intend on homesteading and providing everything in the world yourself, it's hypocritical to judge others for how they choose to spend their money. Instead of complaining on some fansite and turning people off to your cause even more than they already are, maybe spend that time donating and volunteering to the causes you're apparently for. 

See above!

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1 minute ago, Benji said:

Not every argument for supporting the game being this meme

I was looking for this 

[PartySick 144,826]

1 hour ago, Benji said:

Good, at least those that still wish to play the game for some reason have a more ethical way of playing.  Find it crazy any member of the LGBT+ or anyone who considers themselves an ally would line the pockets of the alt right.

I mean....I don't disagree with this sentiment but I also think it's lowkey unreasonable to expect consumers to be totally ethical with their consumption

Like, I hate Elon Musk but up until recently, I generated ad revenue for him by being on Twitter. I hate Jeff Bezos but I still buy from Amazon every now and then. I hate the Walton family but I still occasionally shop for groceries at Walmart.

Money rarely changes hands ethically and every human being is a hypocrite on some level. And if someone says "oh, I'm not a hypocrite" then they're both a hypocrite AND a liar.

I was never a HP fan but lemme draw a parallel to a franchise I have always been a fan of - Dragon Ball

If Akira Toriyama came out as a Nazi today, would that stop me from playing DB games? Or reading the DB manga? Or seeing DB movies? Or watching the DB: Super anime when it comes back? Probably not

'Cause the story and world I love has little to do with its creator, and everything to do with the nostalgia and adventure that story took/takes me on.

So I don't blame the HP fans at all for still wanting to play HP games, read HP books, etc despite the person who made that world being a sack of sh*t that works with other sacks of sh*t.

You use an iPhone right? But do you endorse price gouging, false resource scarcity, strip mining, and literal slave labor? Nope. And it'd be unfair to assume you do just 'cause you use Apple products.

Do you use Google and Gmail? Do you visit this site which uses Google Adsense to generate ad revenue? Does that mean you support tech monopolies and privacy invasion? Nope. And it's unfair to assume you do just 'cause you use the internet's biggest company.

You've listened to Gaga's music right? You've seen some of the problematic people she's worked with? Does it equate to an endorsement of those problematic people for you to buy or stream Gaga's songs and generate revenue for those people? Nope, it sure doesn't. If you've bought or streamed ARTPOP, you've likely given money to R. Kelly, but I guarantee nobody here likes his ass.

Again, I get your sentiment, and good on anyone who decides to not buy the game or to pirate it, but I'm not gonna be mad at others or call them self hating queers or not real allies. If you boycott everything you don't agree with, you'll lead a very dull and isolated life. It's just not realistic. Let people enjoy their things. Attack Rowling and the garbage she associates with, not the people who just wanna play a video game.

[LeafBug 7,256]

This whole controversy drove sales up.  Think carefully about why that is. And it’s nothing to do with the right because most gamers are young and somewhat progressive. What I’m more concerned about isn’t Jk Rowling, but we’re driving would-be allies away. 

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9 minutes ago, Benji said:

Not every argument for supporting the game being this meme

Is it not accurate though?

You assume that playing a Harry Potter game equates to endorsing and funding alt-right freaks so of course people are going to say the same thing about all the problematic things we all (you included) give money to every single day.

If being a HP fan makes someone a fake ally or a self hating member of the LGBT community, then using Twitter makes you a Nazi, using an iPhone makes you a supporter of slavery, driving a car makes you an eco-terrorist, etc etc.

Whataboutism has it's place and this debate is one of them

 

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1 minute ago, PartySick said:

I mean....I don't disagree with this sentiment but I also think it's lowkey unreasonable to expect consumers to be totally ethical with their consumption

Like, I hate Elon Musk but up until recently, I generated ad revenue for him by being on Twitter. I hate Jeff Bezos but I still buy from Amazon every now and then. I hate the Walton family but I still occasionally shop for groceries at Walmart.

Money rarely changes hands ethically and every human being is a hypocrite on some level. And if someone says "oh, I'm not a hypocrite" then they're both a hypocrite AND a liar.

I was never a HP fan but lemme draw a parallel to a franchise I have always been a fan of - Dragon Ball

If Akira Toriyama came out as a Nazi today, would that stop me from playing DB games? Or reading the DB manga? Or seeing DB movies? Or watching the DB: Super anime when it comes back? Probably not

'Cause the story and world I love has little to do with its creator, and everything to do with the nostalgia and adventure that story took/takes me on.

So I don't blame the HP fans at all for still wanting to play HP games, read HP books, etc despite the person who made that world being a sack of sh*t that works with other sacks of sh*t.

You use an iPhone right? But do you endorse price gouging, false resource scarcity, strip mining, and literal slave labor? Nope. And it'd be unfair to assume you do just 'cause you use Apple products.

Do you use Google and Gmail? Do you visit this site which uses Google Adsense to generate ad revenue? Does that mean you support tech monopolies and privacy invasion? Nope. And it's unfair to assume you do just 'cause you use the internet's biggest company.

You've listened to Gaga's music right? You've seen some of the problematic people she's worked with? Does it equate to an endorsement of those problematic people for you to buy or stream Gaga's songs and generate revenue for those people? Nope, it sure doesn't. If you've bought or streamed ARTPOP, you've likely given money to R. Kelly, but I guarantee nobody here likes his ass.

Again, I get your sentiment, and good on anyone who decides to not buy the game or to pirate it, but I'm not gonna be mad at others or call them self hating queers or not real allies. If you boycott everything you don't agree with, you'll lead a very dull and isolated life. It's just not realistic. Let people enjoy their things. Attack Rowling and the garbage she associates with, not the people who just wanna play a video game.

Asking people to think twice about who/what they’re supporting isn’t asking for absolute ethical consumption though.  Drawing comparisons to the very structure of modern day society in our communications and devices is a false equivalence because they’re tools needed to stay informed and be contactable.

Also, you’ve completely lost me on the Nazi comparison.  If you are paying for products and helping someone literally donate to the Nazis… you would for sure deserve to be criticised for it.

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4 minutes ago, Cow said:

This whole controversy drove sales up.  Think carefully about why that is. And it’s nothing to do with the right because most gamers are young and somewhat progressive. What I’m more concerned about isn’t Jk Rowling, but we’re driving would-be allies away. 

If people discussing ethical consumption of a game drives “allies” away they wouldn’t have been allies.

Allies don’t withdraw support of a community because they disagree on one point.  It’s like someone defending their racism because of one guy of a different ethnicity committing a crime.  It’s not a defence.