Morphine Prince 102,720 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, VillainTina said: i feel like her statement was kinda one-sided how can you live your whole life, continuing still grieving about something that happened decades ago ? You cannot be serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEXODUS 5,927 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 The fact alone this thread turned out to be divisive is a testament to how much of a complex subject matter this is. I feel like either saying the whole entertainment system is wrong for allowing this series to happen or saying there’s nothing wrong with it happening is oversemplifying it quite a bit. Netflix would have never picked it up if there wasn’t an audience for it already. As an audience (be it literature, art, cinema) we’ve always been interested in (thus inclined to) tragedy, death, the physical and/or psychological violence. That is, I’m afraid, quite a human trait. Stating that it’s a bad trait is both a sign of sound ethics and self-awareness, but unfortunately it’s not going to change how we function as a collective species. For the time being at the very least, so it is how it is: if there’s a doer that does something bad or even shocking to a done-to, you’re most likely to have your interest piqued. And that’s because we’re interested in who we are and the world we live in. If it has any kind of negative feeling or connotation to it, then that’s where we naturally gravitate towards somehow. I don’t believe there’s an amount of “they shouldn’t have talked about it” or “he shouldn’t have accepted that role” that’s ever going to change the fact that millions of people have watched that show willingly. No amount of not ever speaking about it again would make what happened less likely to happen again and it wouldn’t undo it either, or make it more respectful for the victims and the victims’ families in my opinion. I’d argue for the opposite. What art in general should aim at doing is exactly what they’ve done with this series, which is show us exactly the kind of people we can sometimes be. It’s a study of the human mind and condition. Does it have a cost? Yes, it does. Most things do and in various degrees. Just look at the thousands of examples of things that science in the medical field does. I agree that all this is hurtful for the families. I can’t even imagine. If I were them, I’d probably make the exact same comments and definitely not as politely as this mother has. It’s infuriating and there’s no possible amount of time for that kind of hurt and injustice and madness to heal. They could have waited for all of the relatives to pass, but is that really solving the problem at hand or just going around it? In all this, I get going after Netflix and Ryan Murphy and the people at the Golden Globes and us as a people watching television, but I personally wouldn’t blame Evan of anything than I wouldn’t blame on myself for having watched and listened to hundreds of hours of true crime material. For the record, I don’t. I wish the world would spin in some other direction for this to be easier for everyone directly involved, but there’s no way this could have been dealt in a better manner. And we’ve already covered why we’ll always be fascinated in these kind of stories, so unfortunately it’s as much as a grey area as it can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillainTina 570 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said: You cannot be serious. 1 hour ago, NATAH said: you cannot be serious... 2 hours ago, catsounds said: I don't know if you realise how horrifically insensitive you sound or I agree the series is a series and we have had movies etc about traumatic times for like.. the whole history of cinema but the way you have just said it is messy af 1 hour ago, ControversiaGa said: She has every right to feel how she feels and we have no right to say she’s in the wrong. i'm dead serious. you telling me she has the strength to continue living her life after being "traumatized" for 20+ years and continue to have have happy moments and this is her tipping point ? i mean it is sad that it did happen and i did watch the series and i'm not taking away from their grief, and their well deserved compensation, but their still complaining afterwards like he already won his award , anyone else would've tooken the role and hes not to blame + they've had way more encounters with this grief in their lifespan not just this series.. to be using this series as sort of like .. a charity case ?!. it is a touchy subject cuz he did commit a crime that cannot be turned around and lives cannot be given back but i find it hard to believe that they haven't received any type of compensation by now. 20+ years , a whole life continued and u still need to run to the media to express your feelings about it for a hand out? like during the series and for more of a backstory its perfect time to express frustrations and feelings because this does indeed add to the real story, but this was back in September miss mam done had her whole thanksgiving, Christmas and new years and its about to be February and the man won his award why are u trynna start a TikTok mob again after the situation done died down ? it feels like a charity case i hope ya don't miss interpret a word i said. Queen Of Red M&M's /// Linda Evangelista /// Id Like To Keep It On Please 😶 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debithius 5,556 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Togekiss said: It’s just culture. Without the quotes. And yeah this is totally exclusive to the American entertainment industry I mean...the American entertainment industry is the one taking and watering down other's cultures, mythologies, stories in general for a quick profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 18,306 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 There's been a dozen true crime shows and documentaries done about this same killer and quite a few movies have already been inspired by this killer in the past , I'm just not understanding why people are outraged over this particular one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 10,011 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Stef666 said: Lmao. Or I just know how to separate real life events from a TV show. Also, you're acting as if I'm in some kind of sick minority, as if the show wasn't trending, taking number 1 spot on Netflix for weeks and being praised by everyone. Liking a TV show =/= liking or supporting real life events being depicted. bruh it did happen in real life wtf is wrong with you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavadour 2,031 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Some people in this thread obviously never have endured deep loss and grief. Most of the time, sadly, we're only able to empathise with others, based on our own personal life experience. Mind can control what we feel up to a point where 'nothing's personal'. Until it is. It's not a matter of realism vs idealism here but more like hopeful, understanding and kind approach vs cold selfish satisfying profit. Stories like Dahmer's need to be told. People need to know. That said, as @TortureMeOnReplay aptly put it, funding for research on psychopathy and mental illness, empathy towards victims and impact on community even a donation from Netflix and the people involved in this production to the victim's families could not only have attracted respect, compassion, more interest but finally... more profit for everybody. Evan's reward is totally deserved, but his speech reflects the complete missed opportunity of the entertainment industry to reach shared global achievement instead of casting light on it's own recluse and self-indulgent greed. Such a pity. Late to the party but I got a diamond heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 18,306 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I always felt like movies and documentaries based on topics like this aside from the fact that it was to make profit like every bit of entertainment we consume to today are also aimed at bringing awareness to topics like this? And doesnt movies based on true events like this have to be green lit by all relevant parties before it is actually done? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 18,306 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Also part of me hates that she is making it about money, it kind of has me feeling like all the times that this story has been told was okay just cuz they got a cheque? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 6,552 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 3 hours ago, VillainTina said: how can you live your whole life, continuing still grieving about something that happened decades ago ? Do you think that it's possible to just...move on from your loved being assaulted, murdered, and in some cases even desecrated post-mortem? People don't really move on from the death of loved ones who went naturally, let alone the death of a loved one at the hands of one of the most notorious serial killers in history. What a horrible thing to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 6,552 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, RenegAde said: There's been a dozen true crime shows and documentaries done about this same killer and quite a few movies have already been inspired by this killer in the past , I'm just not understanding why people are outraged over this particular one It's not selective, the families have been very vocal about every piece of Dahmer media, but this show just had more exposure so their statements got more attention. They were also quite uncomfortable with that My Friend Dahmer film a few years back and many refused to participate in that recent documentary about him and criticized it's existence as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 30,362 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, VillainTina said: i'm dead serious. you telling me she has the strength to continue living her life after being "traumatized" for 20+ years and continue to have have happy moments and this is her tipping point ? i mean it is sad that it did happen and i did watch the series and i'm not taking away from their grief, and their well deserved compensation, but their still complaining afterwards like he already won his award , anyone else would've tooken the role and hes not to blame + they've had way more encounters with this grief in their lifespan not just this series.. to be using this series as sort of like .. a charity case ?!. it is a touchy subject cuz he did commit a crime that cannot be turned around and lives cannot be given back but i find it hard to believe that they haven't received any type of compensation by now. 20+ years , a whole life continued and u still need to run to the media to express your feelings about it for a hand out? like during the series and for more of a backstory its perfect time to express frustrations and feelings because this does indeed add to the real story, but this was back in September miss mam done had her whole thanksgiving, Christmas and new years and its about to be February and the man won his award why are u trynna start a TikTok mob again after the situation done died down ? it feels like a charity case i hope ya don't miss interpret a word i said. Tell me you lack empathy without telling me you lack empathy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillainTina 570 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Just now, ALGAYDO said: Tell me you lack empathy without telling me you lack empathy i mean i did write i hope u understand where im coming from . i even wrote it twice that grief dosent really ever go away and that they should definitely grief. but i bet misses mamethiths done came from a nice old holiday talking about people are sick 2023 like .. Queen Of Red M&M's /// Linda Evangelista /// Id Like To Keep It On Please 😶 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmo 79,595 Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 hours ago, VillainTina said: how can you live your whole life, continuing still grieving about something that happened decades ago ? the series was released in September and whether it was Evan Peters or not, What in the world?Is there’s a deadline for grieving? The insensitivity is out of hand Hottie Detector Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillainTina 570 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Kimmo said: What in the world?Is there’s a deadline for grieving? The insensitivity is out of hand 11 minutes ago, VillainTina said: but i bet misses mamethiths done came from a nice lil holiday talking about people are sick 2023 like .. i hope she gets compensated for her after-holiday grief Queen Of Red M&M's /// Linda Evangelista /// Id Like To Keep It On Please 😶 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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