The Eras tour grossed $554 million

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On 12/16/2022 at 6:16 AM, Cody James said:

Ye is that you?

Why do I feel like you went to a Taylor concert with the expectation of being hand picked for a surprise meet and greet backstage that never happened that started a manifesto of anti-Taylor rhetoric? This novel would make sense if we were talking about human rights issues, but given you have one point on your profile, I feel as if there is a personal vendetta here…

lol no. I just am in the industry in a way and like....she is was more problematic behind closed doors than most would like to know. 

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On 12/16/2022 at 11:00 AM, Peroxide555 said:

I think diluting her success down to “Taylor Swift fans are just white, rich republicans” is really unfair

There’s much more to it than that…

Didn't say that. At all. I'm sure she has some fans of color and gay fans. But the truth is, more than any fanbase in the world, her's is the most privileged and white and has the most access to the technology that streaming giants get their data from. 

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On 12/16/2022 at 11:46 AM, Bat said:

To think this is still US only, imagine the gross when she adds her international dates.

Honestly, Taylor is not really the same big force outside of the US. She is more of a moderate success who has cross over a few times. Think of it this way: the way the US views Shakira, the world views Taylor Swift. Aware of her, think she is pretty popular at times, but she is not considered "iconic" like Americans like to believe...

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5 minutes ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

Didn't say that. At all. I'm sure she has some fans of color and gay fans. But the truth is, more than any fanbase in the world, her's is the most privileged and white and has the most access to the technology that streaming giants get their data from. 

It feels like you’re clutching at straws to downplay her impact…

I live in the U.K. and she’s MASSIVE here… and we’re not in 2013 anymore, the “Taylor is only a phenomenon in the US” argument has kind of expired now… just look at Midnights - it’s gone number one in over a dozen countries.

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On 12/16/2022 at 6:52 AM, Cody James said:

Taylor has done many things over her career. Spoke up against being gropped and only sued for $1 to show it wasnt about the money, it was the principle. She had went through many stages of growth, both aesthetically and politically. I was born in the country and when I moved to the city, my views and perspectives changed just like she did. Not to mention the crusade from the media and shady celebrities to take her down, in which she took that experience and put it in music. Queen of relatability. Sure, maybe she doesn’t wear a meat dress or a cone bra, but she puts her real life experiences in words to relate to the listener. Of course some of us may not relate to the love songs or songs about being taken advantage of, but most of us do. 

That's the thing....I mean...I hate to say this....but it feels very very very small what she goes through and manages to turn it into this crazy media circus where she is now the "face of a movement" or something. But it's like....you got groped once. You got a microphone taken out of your hand. You got called a bitch in a song (that you might have actually OK'd at one point). Some dude bought your music catalog when you weren't looking. Now you are the American hero? 

It's always seems very questionable to me when I see other women in the industry, especially women of color, even not just women....queer people....kind of go through that all the time and they don't even get the attention to share their stories. They don't get the reward of being called a "survivor". It feels very much so like a white girl who already has alot of **** going for her getting sympathy. And it feels very much so like her team is smart and understands how to play into that as a strength. Because everyone loves a good weakness become strength story. So let's portray Taylor as weak and vulnerable and kind of flawed, and then show her "overcoming" these flaws or attacks that she made up. And Taylor is very good at understanding this irony and weaseling her way out of people catching onto it. Eg: "I'm going to call my documentary Ms. Americana to get people to think I don't want to be called Ms. Americana, but I know how the machine works and idiots from middle America will still associate that concept with me being the American "it" girl". (I know that sounds confusing, but there really is a psychology to this kind of marketing.)

When I say what I am about to say, I'm not comparing women. I'm merely reminding you of what her peers have had to go through similarly:

Gaga was raped and left on the sidewalk with her rapist's baby....that she lost from what was probably a traumatic misscarriage....that she got kicked out of a label for. She didn't even talk about this until her 5th album cycle.

Madonna was shoved onto the rooftop of a building and forced to perform oral sex with a gun held to her head. She was raised in a strict catholic home without a mother and basically took care of her brothers and sisters. She moved to NYC, broke, with no idea what the hell she was actually doing. She at one point took nude photos (which was pretty scandalous in the late 70's) to make rent.

Beyonce has been bashed by the conservative right since the 1990s for doing things that any other person would do, from wearing something "too black" or being "too vocal about black issues". The entire time the GP, and to this day most of the right, tells her to not get too political because they like their black girls to be fierce and sexy, but only in the way that doesn't question the patriarchy. Look at the superbowl. She was basically cancelled for being black from the gate because she nodded to Malcolm X. 

Britney was literally a ****ing slave under her toxic dad. And we know how the media destroyed her. Even people that were her supposed friends manipulated the **** out of her, and to this day all she wants is to be left alone and happy. God knows what she went through. But we know that it was a living hell everyday and society literally gaslit her. 

 

I guess I just see these things happening, and it never really feels like, despite these being very exploitable subjects, that the latter women I mentioned never felt the need to capitalize off of it. And maybe that's what I see in Taylor....there is this very secretive kind of viseral need for her to take these stories in her life and always portray herself in a way that is "I was wronged, see!?" And like...for me....that shows absolutely no growth. And the fact that that kind of example is being set for people and it is fostered by the cancer in America of capitalism and the very people that continue to funnel money into all of that crap...it feels very very pathetic, actually. I guess I see Taylor more as a clever game player with a decent voice and a brilliant pen. But....is even that real? With her....I always leave feeling unsure if I should enjoy her or not. 

 

So it IS WEIRD to me that more people are aware of Taylor's stories of "how she was wronged" yet the GP doesn't really know everything about these other girls. Gaga won't even name her rapist. 

And by NO MEANS, as a sexual assault survivor myself, am I trying to minimize whatever toxicity Taylor experienced. What I am questioning and trying to get other's to see for a minute, and even maybe Taylor fans can admit, that when Taylor is "wronged", even slightly, she has this amazing team that has always somehow capitalized off of it and turned it into some lyrical moment or some press junket that kind of sets Taylor up to always look like a hero. But my point is....the other girls in the industry do not do this. And if they do...they certainly do not make their career out of it. And it is completely fair to say that Taylor being a white, attractive, "nice" girl that did not even come out and support any other group of people outside other white, attractive, "nice" girls until her 7th album...is sus af to me! Sorry about it!

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37 minutes ago, Peroxide555 said:

It feels like you’re clutching at straws to downplay her impact…

I live in the U.K. and she’s MASSIVE here… and we’re not in 2013 anymore, the “Taylor is only a phenomenon in the US” argument has kind of expired now… just look at Midnights - it’s gone number one in over a dozen countries.

midnights got more #1s across the world than 30 lol. shes the most global artist this decade using this metric. 

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46 minutes ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

Honestly, Taylor is not really the same big force outside of the US. She is more of a moderate success who has cross over a few times. Think of it this way: the way the US views Shakira, the world views Taylor Swift. Aware of her, think she is pretty popular at times, but she is not considered "iconic" like Americans like to believe...

on spotify, 'Midnights' is the #1 biggest album in Asia & Oceania, #2 behind ed sheeran and #4 behind bad bunny's in latin america. 

midnights has 28 #1s across all the official charts of the world, adele's 30 has 25. 

 

stop pretending like she isnt huge globally. maybe in a smaller european country she isnt as big, but shes certainly bigger than any others in other parts of the world. 

 

and for you to imply that just cus her audience is richer, that somehow her streaming stats were faked by duplicate devices as if her millions of listeners are all just droids spending their lives to fake some figures on a chart is absurd. shes got far more unique listeners and monthly listeners than Bad bunny, the only artist out- streaming her on spotify. all the data says hes the one who has a smaller audience but they play his songs more frequently than other artists, not the other way around. 

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1 minute ago, JuanitoKasicki said:

on spotify, 'Midnights' is the #1 biggest album in Asia & Oceania, #2 behind ed sheeran and #4 behind bad bunny's in latin america. 

midnights has 28 #1s across all the official charts of the world, adele's 30 has 25. 

 

stop pretending like she isnt huge globally. maybe in a smaller european country she isnt as big, but shes certainly bigger than any others in other parts of the world. 

 

and for you to imply that just cus her audience is richer, that somehow her streaming stats were faked by duplicate devices as if her millions of listeners are all just droids spending their lives to fake some figures on a chart is absurd. shes got far more unique listeners and monthly listeners than Bad bunny, the only artist out- streaming her on spotify. all the data says hes the one who has a smaller audience but they play his songs more frequently than other artists, not the other way around. 

You do understand how her label puts on her on rolling playlists, right? They use the same data to find out what playlists get the most play in markets, public places, etc....and then play her there. It just loops songs. When labels are trying to promote a new song they do this. But if you have enough power or clout they will just do this with an artist like Taylor Swift. 

 

She is not that big. omg. It is so much just hype. This album is not going to have the longevity that 1989 or even reputation had. watch. 

 

And no....she is not that big in Asia and Oceania. Watch her ticket sales be very weak worldwide compared to the US just like they have on all her other tours.

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1 hour ago, Peroxide555 said:

It feels like you’re clutching at straws to downplay her impact…

I live in the U.K. and she’s MASSIVE here… and we’re not in 2013 anymore, the “Taylor is only a phenomenon in the US” argument has kind of expired now… just look at Midnights - it’s gone number one in over a dozen countries.

Ok...lets start...to say that Taylor is not popular or massive in UK would be certainly a nonsence. She Is very popular in UK and at different levels more or less popular in other non english speaking countries. 

Question: Is She so massive in UK in the same way and at the same level as she Is in US...

no...no...no...no... no..NO.

She Is big almost everywhere but she Is nowhere as big as in USA where she optically impersonates the Barbie doll type of american blond girl singing safe and without controversies for the White middle class.

The fact that she could go somewhere outside USA, UK , AUSTRALIA or Canada at Number 1 does not mean She has such a big cultural impact everywhere...

To end: outside USA and unlike in different years Gaga, Beyoncé or Rihanna,  Adele,  Madonna and Michael the all american girl Taylor did not have, does not have and probably will never have the same level of success or cultural impact She has in USA. Never ever. I admit that some  singles of her could have been  massive worldwide but they did  never make her a worldwide pop  icon as strong as Beyoncé or Adele or Rihanna or Gaga  in different eras.  Her last three albums which I do not relate to at all are  artistically not so bad. They are however strongly based more on  english lyrics than on catchy melodies. No one outside english speaking countries find a very  strong relation to these introspective lyrics.

And ok...if you live only in your USA or UK bubbles and extrapolate her USA relevance to the entire world than.. do It ..why not..?.It Is anyway a fake not corresponding to reality.

 

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26 minutes ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

You do understand how her label puts on her on rolling playlists, right? They use the same data to find out what playlists get the most play in markets, public places, etc....and then play her there. It just loops songs. When labels are trying to promote a new song they do this.

oh wow this is some next level delusions. so you think her label just hired a bunch of places to play spin her stuff on a loop? you do know spotify has a filter system where they loss out any loops and non-organic streams, right? given they have to pay artists per streams, its in their best interest to toss out as many fake streams as possible. and her album streams are 98.7%  legitimate according to spotify.  billboard only count ON-DEMAND streams anyway the notion that those numbers are 'generated by playlists' is just nonsense. 

 

this is what a playlist-generated numbers look like, and taylor had none of this crap. 

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49 minutes ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

She is not that big. omg. It is so much just hype. This album is not going to have the longevity that 1989 or even reputation had. watch. 

pls dont doubt her album longevity lol. shes the only artist to have 8-9 albums on the billboard top 200 for the last 2 years (her entire discography minus Debut charting, basically)  with reputation being ~hovering around 80-100 despite being 7 years old. 

 

49 minutes ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

And no....she is not that big in Asia and Oceania. Watch her ticket sales be very weak worldwide compared to the US just like they have on all her other tours.

im pretty sure she sold like half a million albums in china and is also massive in the Philippines, Indonesia and Singapore.

and frankly, given that she can sell tickets for a record $11million dollars per show in the US, which is certainly not doable outside of the US, im not so sure she should even bother with international legs. she ought to go ahead and cross that $1 billion box score with a US leg 2, do another 10 in EU, SA & asia then go shoot her damn movie lol  

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59 minutes ago, JuanitoKasicki said:

  

pls dont doubt her album longevity lol. shes the only artist to have 8-9 albums on the billboard top 200 for the last 2 years (her entire discography minus Debut charting, basically)  with reputation being ~hovering around 80-100 despite being 7 years old. 

 

im pretty sure she sold like half a million albums in china and is also massive in the Philippines, Indonesia and Singapore.

and frankly, given that she can sell tickets for a record $11million dollars per show in the US, which is certainly not doable outside of the US, im not so sure she should even bother with international legs. she ought to go ahead and cross that $1 billion box score with a US leg 2, do another 10 in EU, SA & asia then go shoot her damn movie lol  

Ok..ok..ok..thats not the problem...speaking about TS ( aka pretty blond all american girl making music for the White middle class of USA ) EVERYONE IS CONCENTRATING ABOUT HER COMMERCIAL POWER. This Is  UNdisputabile, in particular in the USA.  THE 2 QUESTIONS ARE:

A) CAN  THE USA TAYLOR SUCCESS BE  REPLICATED OUTSIDE USA AT THE SAME LEVEL AS IN THE USA?   NO...ABSOLUTELY NOT. 

B) EVEN IF A) IS NOT TRUE AND SHE IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL GIRL OF ANY TIME WITH THE BIGGEST RELEVANCE OF ALL TIME, EVEN BIGGER THAN GOD, IS THIS SO RELEVANT? IS HER TALENT AND ART BIGGER THAN THOSE OF OTHER LEGENDS OF THE PAST OR PRESENT? NO.. SHE IS JUST TALENTED AND THATS ALL...SHE IS NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE OUTSIDE THE CHARTS. SHE CAN SELL THRILLIONS IF SONGS FOR ME IS JUST TAYLOR PLAIN JANE SWIFT

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, JuanitoKasicki said:

oh wow this is some next level delusions. so you think her label just hired a bunch of places to play spin her stuff on a loop? you do know spotify has a filter system where they loss out any loops and non-organic streams, right? given they have to pay artists per streams, its in their best interest to toss out as many fake streams as possible. and her album streams are 98.7%  legitimate according to spotify.  billboard only count ON-DEMAND streams anyway the notion that those numbers are 'generated by playlists' is just nonsense. 

 

this is what a playlist-generated numbers look like, and taylor had none of this crap. 

That image was made up lol. Drake never covered the "Fresh Gospel" section honey. 

 

And yes...her team does this. Her team is very on top of it. If Gaga had Taylor's team Gaga would have 20 number ones by now. Think about it. 

Songs Gaga could have had go number one if she had the smartest team in the game:

THE FAME:

Starstruck (ft. Flo Rida): It was a super catchy track and in 2009 Flo Rida was a huge force. The song was already getting airplay..

Honestly, LoveGame and Paparazzi both could have gone number one if they were released on different weeks. (Gaga's label always releases her singles officially at the most awkward, seemingly inconvenient times). 

THE FAME MONSTER:

Bad Romance would have been released a week earlier or maybe a week or two later if Gaga's team had the smarts to link up with the other girls' managements. It would have easily gone #1. 

Telephone...again...the week it was released it was almost as if her team purposefully shoved it out with 5 other big hitters.

Alejandro (maybe)...there was alot of competition at this time.

Monster....I'm not gonna say #1, but definitely Top 5, and honestly....maybe #1 if the timing was right. 

Dance in the Dark if the video had been released right with it. 

Speechless I think could have been a sleeper hit.

 

BORN THIS WAY:

-Scheibe was a hit. Honestly Scheibe could still go #1 if it got the TikTok treatment. 

-The Edge of Glory....again...a timing issue. And also the whole video mess.

-Judas....I mean....I still feel like this could somehow have a moment via TikTok. It's very giving sleeper hit.

 

ARTPOP

-Gypsy...the single that got away. Easily the most GP and happy pop song on the album that everyone thought would have been a dead giveaway. I feel like had Gaga released this as the lead...even ARTPOP would have been loved more. With a good team and not trying to compete with Katy Perry's "Roar", Gypsy would have gone #1. 

-Venus....with the proper video treatment this would have at least raked in a Top 5 if Gaga had a good performance attached to it and the consistent push of radio.

 

JOANNE

One of the main reasons Joanne didn't have a number one, is because Gaga was coming off the back of what was considered a "weak" era. Had she not been percieved this way, it is quite possible a catchy song like "Ayo" or "Dancin' in Circles" would have bagged Gaga another easy number one. I am not sure how the rest of the album would have faired. 

ASIB

-Always Remember Us This Way. It's criminal that it never got the single treatment. It was another easy #1. Look at it's streams. 

-I'll Never Love Again....swinging off the hype of Shallow and ARUTW, Gaga could have even bagged another number one off pure hype alone the way Whitney continued bagging hype off of The Bodyguard soundtrack. 

 

CHROMATICA

Stupid Love. It would have been #1 because her team would have never let it leak. Honestly, Stupid Love has grown on alot of us, and it was a great pop song. It was an anticipated comeback to pop and I think the only thing that really hurt it was the fact it was already available to all the gays for a full month before it was officially released. I literally went to clubs where they were playing the leak. If Gaga had a better team...that **** simply would not have happened.

-Sour Candy. I mean....all it needed was a video. It had Blackpink. It would have gone number one. 

-Babylon. Call me cookoo but....this house vogue bop would have been the Madonna nod that Gaga would have wanted knotched on her belt. With an amazing video, amazing live performance, and a bold campaign before the tour, a Taylor Swift-level team would have pulled this off as a strong final era summer hit. Think of the TikToks! Imagine in Gaga got Madonna IN THE VIDEO the way Taylor got Katy in a video. It would have been epic!

 

NON ALBUM

The Cure. This song was already pulling mad streams and wasn't even promoted properly. It was an experiment that got Gaga a memorable one-off hit. Imagine a video? Imagine if she had performed it just a week before at the Superbowl? Easy number one hit. 

 

TALLY:

That is 17 missed opportunities. (I didn't count three of them because they were more Top 5 material), but if you add that to Gaga's already existing 5, that would have been 22 #1s.

 

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1 hour ago, LuckyAlbum7Soon said:

That image was made up lol. Drake never covered the "Fresh Gospel" section honey. 

 

And yes...her team does this. Her team is very on top of it. If Gaga had Taylor's team Gaga would have 20 number ones by now. Think about it. 

Songs Gaga could have had go number one if she had the smartest team in the game:

THE FAME:

Starstruck (ft. Flo Rida): It was a super catchy track and in 2009 Flo Rida was a huge force. The song was already getting airplay..

Honestly, LoveGame and Paparazzi both could have gone number one if they were released on different weeks. (Gaga's label always releases her singles officially at the most awkward, seemingly inconvenient times). 

THE FAME MONSTER:

Bad Romance would have been released a week earlier or maybe a week or two later if Gaga's team had the smarts to link up with the other girls' managements. It would have easily gone #1. 

Telephone...again...the week it was released it was almost as if her team purposefully shoved it out with 5 other big hitters.

Alejandro (maybe)...there was alot of competition at this time.

Monster....I'm not gonna say #1, but definitely Top 5, and honestly....maybe #1 if the timing was right. 

Dance in the Dark if the video had been released right with it. 

Speechless I think could have been a sleeper hit.

 

BORN THIS WAY:

-Scheibe was a hit. Honestly Scheibe could still go #1 if it got the TikTok treatment. 

-The Edge of Glory....again...a timing issue. And also the whole video mess.

-Judas....I mean....I still feel like this could somehow have a moment via TikTok. It's very giving sleeper hit.

 

ARTPOP

-Gypsy...the single that got away. Easily the most GP and happy pop song on the album that everyone thought would have been a dead giveaway. I feel like had Gaga released this as the lead...even ARTPOP would have been loved more. With a good team and not trying to compete with Katy Perry's "Roar", Gypsy would have gone #1. 

-Venus....with the proper video treatment this would have at least raked in a Top 5 if Gaga had a good performance attached to it and the consistent push of radio.

 

JOANNE

One of the main reasons Joanne didn't have a number one, is because Gaga was coming off the back of what was considered a "weak" era. Had she not been percieved this way, it is quite possible a catchy song like "Ayo" or "Dancin' in Circles" would have bagged Gaga another easy number one. I am not sure how the rest of the album would have faired. 

ASIB

-Always Remember Us This Way. It's criminal that it never got the single treatment. It was another easy #1. Look at it's streams. 

-I'll Never Love Again....swinging off the hype of Shallow and ARUTW, Gaga could have even bagged another number one off pure hype alone the way Whitney continued bagging hype off of The Bodyguard soundtrack. 

 

CHROMATICA

Stupid Love. It would have been #1 because her team would have never let it leak. Honestly, Stupid Love has grown on alot of us, and it was a great pop song. It was an anticipated comeback to pop and I think the only thing that really hurt it was the fact it was already available to all the gays for a full month before it was officially released. I literally went to clubs where they were playing the leak. If Gaga had a better team...that **** simply would not have happened.

-Sour Candy. I mean....all it needed was a video. It had Blackpink. It would have gone number one. 

-Babylon. Call me cookoo but....this house vogue bop would have been the Madonna nod that Gaga would have wanted knotched on her belt. With an amazing video, amazing live performance, and a bold campaign before the tour, a Taylor Swift-level team would have pulled this off as a strong final era summer hit. Think of the TikToks! Imagine in Gaga got Madonna IN THE VIDEO the way Taylor got Katy in a video. It would have been epic!

 

NON ALBUM

The Cure. This song was already pulling mad streams and wasn't even promoted properly. It was an experiment that got Gaga a memorable one-off hit. Imagine a video? Imagine if she had performed it just a week before at the Superbowl? Easy number one hit. 

 

TALLY:

That is 17 missed opportunities. (I didn't count three of them because they were more Top 5 material), but if you add that to Gaga's already existing 5, that would have been 22 #1s.

 

I do not want to contest your Gaga's missed chances to get to Number 1. The question Is... Are  these missed chances  so important? It Is Just chart. In the old days in USA My Heart Will go on was Number 1 for Just One week. After 25 years Is a BIGGER hit than ANY other Song occupying the Number One for weeks. It Is iconic. It Is classic. Paparazzi was never a Number 1 in USA but It Is a Classic everywhere. Always Remember US this Way was never an official single but shows that from  201x on you do not need an official single release to get a hit. Nine   of the boring ( Just 4 me not for the masses.. )  tracks from the boring Midnight album from the unbearable  TS ( Just my opinion ) got in the US top ten without being  released as an official single. It Is Taylors commercial Power  . Kate Bush got last summer a top ten position so many years after the official release. I think that many here are still stuck to music categories as album release, single release, promotion, Number One  etc that were only valid in the old good times no more in the digital streaming era. The promotion today could be for example MR  Noone accidentally puttig your song on Tik Tok as the case of Bloody Mary.

The point Is...today the official single release Is no longer relevant. Charts are so manipulated by metrics in a way that the single chart Is no longer in some cases the measurement of the real popularity of one specific song. Anti Hero Is an official single and honestly It was and It is an  organic massive hit. The other 9 tracks from Midnight did not reach the top ten because they are strong singles. They did it because they are a part of a commercially very strong album. Just ask anyone if they can list the  track titles of TS Midnights apart from Anti Hero.