Lady Gaga vs. The Osbournes

[Kayla 7,595]

I don't think shes a hypocrite, I know she means well but sometimes she sneaks in a b---hy side. That was an apology wrapped in an insult. Shes a good person, we know that, but she dose make mistakes.

I agree. I think this letter was more of a way to say "Hold on, you're criticizing MY fans and MY choices, yet you do this?" Realistically, Gaga has never spoken an ill word of Kelly, or any celebrity for that matter (minus some moments of questionable shade) yet Kelly has given negative criticism of Gaga on a show that very much focuses on appearances and judges people rudely.

But yeah- Gaga's letter was totally one of those things where she meant well, but it's clear she was working hard to word things in a way that kept her composure and didn't directly make it look like she was pointing fingers at Kelly when she was. She's probably just sick of being judged and criticized ALL. THE. TIME. by someone she doesn't even speak of.

And Kelly isn't full of **** though? Kelly was the one to make it a public issue in the first place by constantly making thinly veiled insults towards Gagas character as a role model and generalizing this fanbase multiple times on national television. Why is all the blame on Gaga and none of it towards the fact that Kelly was ALSO being a hypocrite? Thats what im failing to understand about your point of view. You seem more turned off by Gaga therefore spinning this entire mess against her as opposed to ACTUALLY being objective as you claim to be.

Kelly generalized the entire fanbased based on what a small handful of juvenile children said to her, and those awful threats were made in response to Kelly saying something :roll: -worthy about Gaga. REGARDLESS- those fans should NOT have harassed, threatened, or insulted Kelly, but the point is that Kelly is sitting there publicly criticizing Gaga, publicly generalizing her fanbase, and then has the audacity to say GAGA is in the wrong for sending her a public letter? If you want that **** kept private, then start it in private areas and keep it there yourself.

In other words, I agree with what you're saying in this post.

[nativenewyorker 1,190]

Sharon has no idea what she's talking about. Gaga made the letter public to express her disapproval of her fan's actions. She posted it on a website for her fans in hopes that they will learn a lesson from this. Sharon calls Gaga attention-seeking for making her view on the situation public, yet she posts her own open letter on Facebook for the world to see. How hypocritical.

The purpose of the letter was to show that the irreverent remarks being sent to Kelly by some idiotic fans is something far beyond her control. She's just pointing out that she's an obvious advocate for acceptance and those immature insults and threats were not a result of the message she's sending. The fact that Sharon thinks a tweet from Gaga would be enough to instantly stop countless individuals from acting childish and hateful shows just how delusional and naive she's being. Gaga can't just snap her fingers and turn millions of young people into respectful, passive human beings.. be realistic. That's why Gaga states that she is constantly working to create a more compassionate and accepting world, which isn't exactly an easy thing to do. Not once in the letter does Gaga defend the attacks, she actually condemns those fans by expressing her hope that they learn to be more compassionate and grow as a result of this. She made it very clear that the irrational behavior of some temper-mental fans with a twitter account and too much time on their hands is something she can't just stop. Just because they are fans of Gaga doesn't mean they're going to react as rationally and mature as Gaga herself would. Gaga gives her fans the opportunity to share the feeling of freedom that she possesses by living a life of compassion, it's up to the individual to take advantage of that opportunity and better the world around them in doing so.

I'm surprised how many people think it was unnecessary for Gaga to bring up Kelly's involvement with Fashion Police. It's the perfect example of how hypocritical and delusional Kelly and Sharon really are. Kelly's attacking Gaga for not being able to stop all 32 million of her followers from being bullies, yet Kelly HERSELF participates in the same hateful, judgmental, and immature behavior on NATIONAL TELEVISION. What kind of person would think that it's OK to encourage a nasty, critical attitude based on appearance to thousands of viewers but whine and play the victim when it happens to them? Gaga called Kelly out because she, being a victim of intense bullying, is promoting a hateful and superficial way of thinking. She should be using her success in a productive way by teaching young people you can rise above the negativity, without having to participate in it. It sickens me that Sharon defends Fashion Police by saying critique and superficial judgement are just a part of "the real world." So.. instead of trying to change the shallow, cynical nature of the entertainment industry, she defends a show that encourages that kind of mean-spirited critique? Gaga's trying to change the stupid standards that are so prevalent in the media and shows like Fashion Show are keeping those ridiculous standards alive.

It's just that Kelly has no right what-so-ever to condemn Gaga or play the victim because she earns a living by bullying people on national television. Period.

[Morina 0]

Because Gaga has choosen to attack people on a few rare occassions (NME, Die Antwood) doesnt mean she is a bully. Those occassions are rare enough that I dont think its fair to label her a bully because of them. As much **** as Gaga takes, shes allowed to let out steam on a few occassions in my opinion.

As for Kelly...that show she is on bullies every episode.

[Joe Matthews 11]

Hypocrisy is saying one thing while willingly doing the opposite. A letter that goes back and forth addressing the good and the bad is not hypocrisy. It's a well thought out discussion showing both sides. "Here are the good things you do. Here are the things you could change."

I think you misread my post. I said that her behavior over the past year has been hypocritical, not the contents of the letter itself, though the message was. The point is, don't point fingers and tell people to change their lifestyle and the image they're conveying in the media if you can't even be that nice and accepting person yourself 24/7.

So you are calling Gaga a Hypocrit. That means you have never done anything wrong in you life right?

What a weak argument. How did my lifestyle or my actions suddenly become relevant to this discussion?

[rivingtonrebels 245]

Oh dear LORD the gravy boat of hypocrisy and ludicrousness that is Sharon Osbourne. She should stick to the talk where they tackle menial issues and let her daughter stand up for her own judgy fashion show choices.

[marrytheknight2012 0]

It's not "THE FANS". It's a few crazy people who are fans. And it's unfortunate human nature to blame a whole group for the actions of a few of its members.

And the Beatles should be ASHAMED for what Charles Manson did in their name. ;)

You are generalizing that I'm generalizing, I don't think you or really any of the fans here do this stuff. Or I hope not. But I'm not going to say 'the uncountable thousands of ****ty fans that treat people like **** everytime someone disagrees with Christ' so instead i shorten it to fans, theres a footnote.

[EvilChromatica 387]

I can hear all the meltdowns in LM.com chat rooms

[misanthrope 15]

I'm actually not turned off by her, I was fine until today. Its when she says something that I find haughty that I get upset with her. I've said before, I usually play the devil's advocate. Everyone is blaming it on Kelly here etc etc, deflecting away from the real issue...the fans, not Gaga, not Kelly and not Sharon. THE FANS are the problem. The other reason, I don't think Kelly did anything wrong in this situation. She said something unflattering about Gaga on tv...and fans went nuts, thats not right. She has the right to talk about something but nobody has the right to ridicule you constantly and tell you to kill yourself. I think Gaga should have posted an open letter to the fans and left Kelly out of it. Gaga is smart and she surely knew Sharon would come for blood by insulting her daughter.

Kelly used thinly veiled insults against Gaga. Gaga used thinly veiled insults against Kelly. I think they're both equally at fault here.

[marrytheknight2012 0]

I think you misread my post. I said that her behavior over the past year has been hypocritical, not the contents of the letter itself, though the message was. The point is, don't point fingers and tell people to change their lifestyle and the image they're conveying in the media if you can't even be that nice and accepting person yourself 24/7.

What a weak argument. How did my lifestyle or my actions suddenly become relevant to this discussion?

Its deflection and the exact same thing Gaga did, threw the blame off of the fans and put it on Kelly.

[misanthrope 15]

I agree. I think this letter was more of a way to say "Hold on, you're criticizing MY fans and MY choices, yet you do this?" Realistically, Gaga has never spoken an ill word of Kelly, or any celebrity for that matter (minus some moments of questionable shade) yet Kelly has given negative criticism of Gaga on a show that very much focuses on appearances and judges people rudely.

But yeah- Gaga's letter was totally one of those things where she meant well, but it's clear she was working hard to word things in a way that kept her composure and didn't directly make it look like she was pointing fingers at Kelly when she was. She's probably just sick of being judged and criticized ALL. THE. TIME. by someone she doesn't even speak of.

Kelly generalized the entire fanbased based on what a small handful of juvenile children said to her, and those awful threats were made in response to Kelly saying something :roll: -worthy about Gaga. REGARDLESS- those fans should NOT have harassed, threatened, or insulted Kelly, but the point is that Kelly is sitting there publicly criticizing Gaga, publicly generalizing her fanbase, and then has the audacity to say GAGA is in the wrong for sending her a public letter? If you want that **** kept private, then start it in private areas and keep it there yourself.

In other words, I agree with what you're saying in this post.

EXACTLY. Some people fail to see this logic. It is not Gaga who made this a public issue and the fact that they are criticizing her for writing an open letter about it astounds me.

[ryhanna 3,507]

I believe all three of them are somewhat at fault in this situation. Kelly shouldn't have gone to the media, in a matter that should have been dealt with privately. Even though it wouldn't have done much at all, Gaga should have at least tweeted her fans to please Kelly and Sharon before posting such a letter. "I tried, but I don't control what my fans say or do, I'm sorry." Sharon should not have been so heated in her response, in which many of her arguments were hypocritical and rude (although some of her arguments had some truth). Just my opinion, but I think that this is a silly issue that has been blown completely out of proportion by all parties and should have been dealt with privately.

[craig 680]

I wish that Gaga along with other high profile artists, would address their fan bases actions a little bit more often and publicly.

It would have to be done in a united way.

Most of the people singling out Little Monsters are just rival standoms, many just as bad and mean..

Edited January 11, 2013 by craig

[Quark 7,098]

I think you misread my post. I said that her behavior over the past year has been hypocritical, not the contents of the letter itself, though the message was. The point is, don't point fingers and tell people to change their lifestyle and the image they're conveying in the media if you can't even be that nice and accepting person yourself 24/7.

What a weak argument. How did my lifestyle or my actions suddenly become relevant to this discussion?

Because you keep arguing that you can't call someone out about their bad actions if you have done them yourself. And since you are saying Gaga is a hypocrit, than you must have never done anything wrong or you would be the hypocrit. Weak argument only if you don't a--lyze it. Edited January 11, 2013 by EnigmaSLLC7

[marrytheknight2012 0]

Kelly used thinly veiled insults against Gaga. Gaga used thinly veiled insults against Kelly. I think they're both equally at fault here.

She insulted Gaga by saying what? That her fans are ****ty and told her to kill herself... well thats not an insult thats the truth. And Im tired of 'generalizing' Kelly knows its not every single fan but like I explained she doesnt care enough to add a footnote explaining. Shes hurt and offended. And I don't get people keep saying 'Gaga cant stop it' well... she could try, she could have simply directed the letter to fans instead of kelly, then....none of this would have happened.

[Sara 1,128]

I think you misread my post. I said that her behavior over the past year has been hypocritical, not the contents of the letter itself, though the message was. The point is, don't point fingers and tell people to change their lifestyle and the image they're conveying in the media if you can't even be that nice and accepting person yourself 24/7.

Oh. Sorry. But how has her behavior been hypocritical? I already pointed out her flippant tweet at Die Antwoord was very justified and human. I preach love and acceptance myself, but sometimes I've gotten angry at people. Does that make me a hypocrite? No, it just makes me human. Gaga is human.

Gaga has generally been as much of a follower of love and acceptance as I could expect any human in her position to be, and certainly better at acceptance than many of the people who have been throwing stones at her.