Lady Gaga vs. The Osbournes

[Joe Matthews 11]

Did I ever say Gaga was an angel? Once again someone generalizing this fanbase. I don't think shes entirely at fault here so I must be a delusional that fails to be objective. Such a load of crap......the truth is none of this would have happened had Kelly never taken it upon herself to make several public statements about Gaga needing to control her fans. Which is a ridiculous thing to ask in the first place, but should Gaga have written an empty letter to her fans to appease the obnoxious generalizing loudmouths that seem to think its Gagas responsibility to slap the wrist of every single one of her fans that has ever said anything negative about someone famous online? Probably.

But is it the first time a celebrity has shaded Gaga in interviews or on public television? Is it the first time someone's parodied or joked about her? Why attack Kelly and not Perez (just to give you an example)?

And that last part is another thing I mentioned earlier on in one of my previous posts. I don't think Gaga should take it upon herself to "tame" every single one of her fans. Of course there will always be the crazy ones who defend her to the death and thereby threaten or visciously insult other artists or even just regular people. What I'm saying is that she could've at least just accepted Sharon's request and tweeted something that said she doesn't condone the death threats towards Kelly. At least then she wouldn't be held responsible for her fan's actions and they wouldn't continuously give her a bad name.

[Redstreak 6,653]

Because Sharon contacted Vincent Herbert in private. The whole issue was supposed to be handled behind the scenes. Instead, Gaga decided to get offended by Sharon's email to Vincent and publicize the whole argument.

Let's be real here for a second. Kelly Osbourne is a comedian. She makes a living off of criticizing other people and making jokes at other people's expense. That's her right. Freedom of speech and all that. Next you're gonna tell me Kathy Griffin or Joan Rivers deserve death threats too. Gaga's effort and concern - although sweet - was totally out of place and to be perfectly honest, the goals she's setting for herself to create a peaceful and accepting world filled with love and sunshine and rainbows are quite unrealistic. It's not her job to change the world. Her job is to influence the people who look up to her in a positive way.

That's why she should've directed her concern at the Twitter Monsters wishing death upon other celebrities,, instead of attacking the celebrities themselves. Start small, Gaga. You can't change the world in a day, but you can at least try to change your fans.

Tweeting about not condoning the death threats might not have solved the whole thing, but it sure would have showed her compassion towards Kelly and the situation she's in.

tl;dr Gaga handled this the wrong way and Sharon was right for dragging her.

Do we know that she even knew about it though? :huh: Edited January 11, 2013 by Redstreak

[MelbHawker 6,583]

To be honest - Gaga should not have criticised Kelly's work on Fashion Police because it's purely comedic. Apart from that aspect of Gaga's letter - I think she handled it well. Regardless of her smoking pot, wearing meat etc. She's an artist - she's not a perfect human.

Sharon on the other hand seemed to care about nothing more than attacking Gaga and bringing others into it. 'Welcome to the real world' - she's been in this industry for how long exactly? I'm sure this isn't the first time the Osbournes have been threatened by someone over the internet. It's like it's all brand new for her; that reads bull**** to me. I understand her criticism about wearing meat etc. but really what does that have to do with the actual issue at hand? Nothing. She's used Gaga's past antics to paint her in a negative light.

The part about doing stuff to get her photo taken... Sharon. Sharon. Sharon. Please! This coming from an Osbourne? Big load of attacking and not enough discussing the issue at hand.

[crushedlemonice 1,346]

It's a bit strange to see so many people determined to find fault in Gaga's response. I wonder if their support of Sharon's letter would be the same if Gaga had written it instead?

[jackoajl 434]

I see what you did there :usrs:

[misanthrope 15]

She insulted Gaga by saying what? That her fans are ****ty and told her to kill herself... well thats not an insult thats the truth. And Im tired of 'generalizing' Kelly knows its not every single fan but like I explained she doesnt care enough to add a footnote explaining. Shes hurt and offended. And I don't get people keep saying 'Gaga cant stop it' well... she could try, she could have simply directed the letter to fans instead of kelly, then....none of this would have happened.

I'm a fan of Kelly. I record Fashion Police and watch it weekly. She has used thinly veiled insults against Gaga as an artist and as a role model before. Including the incident in which she personally addressed her on public television to control her fans. If Gaga was being insulting in her letter, Kelly was certainly being backhanded as well. You could also twist that and say...had Kelly privately contacted Gaga to discuss the issue it would've ALL been kept out of the public eye in the first place. But instead she chose to reiterate i several times on national television. Think of that what you will.

If Gaga needs to care enough to write an empty letter to her fans to make herself look good, than Kelly should be thoughtful enough to not generalize at all and leave that footnote you claim she shouldn't have to. Just saying.

[Benjamin Monk 0]

What monsters said was disgusting and kelly should've felt hurt but anyone can see that gags letter, even if it had inconsistencies, was from a good place and she's obviously trying to put the situation to bed. Sharon has basicly said in her email no I'm gonna fight you as much as I can. And that is because Sharon Osbourne is and has always been a big attention seeker. Gaga should just ignore them with grace from now on

[Sara 1,128]

It's a bit strange to see so many people determined to find fault in Gaga's response. I wonder if their support of Sharon's letter would be the same if Gaga had written it instead?

THIS.

I've been a mod on this site as long as anyone, and I've learned there are just some people who take great pleasure in crapping on whatever brings other people great pleasure. :)

[SKANK 14,288]

To be honest - Gaga should not have criticised Kelly's work on Fashion Police because it's purely comedic. Apart from that aspect of Gaga's letter - I think she handled it well. Regardless of her smoking pot, wearing meat etc. She's an artist - she's not a perfect human.

Sharon on the other hand seemed to care about nothing more than attacking Gaga and bringing others into it. 'Welcome to the real world' - she's been in this industry for how long exactly? I'm sure this isn't the first time the Osbournes have been threatened by someone over the internet. It's like it's all brand new for her; that reads bull**** to me. I understand her criticism about wearing meat etc. but really what does that have to do with the actual issue at hand? Nothing. She's used Gaga's past antics to paint her in a negative light.

The part about doing stuff to get her photo taken... Sharon. Sharon. Sharon. Please! This coming from an Osbourne? Big load of attacking and not enough discussing the issue at hand.

Kelly's work on Fashion Police is not comedic, at all. Joan Rivers is the comedian on the show, Kelly and two other panelist are there to offer legitimate critiques on peoples clothing and over all appearance. The shows over all tone is only comedic because of Joan Rivers.

Just saying.

[leoj 2]

To be honest - Gaga should not have criticised Kelly's work on Fashion Police because it's purely comedic. Apart from that aspect of Gaga's letter - I think she handled it well. Regardless of her smoking pot, wearing meat etc. She's an artist - she's not a perfect human.

Sharon on the other hand seemed to care about nothing more than attacking Gaga and bringing others into it. 'Welcome to the real world' - she's been in this industry for how long exactly? I'm sure this isn't the first time the Osbournes have been threatened by someone over the internet. It's like it's all brand new for her; that reads bull**** to me. I understand her criticism about wearing meat etc. but really what does that have to do with the actual issue at hand? Nothing. She's used Gaga's past antics to paint her in a negative light.

The part about doing stuff to get her photo taken... Sharon. Sharon. Sharon. Please! This coming from an Osbourne? Big load of attacking and not enough discussing the issue at hand.

um.. she isn't ciritcizing it.. she's saying all it is is basically bashing celebrities against each other and laughing and making fun of them..

also a lot of what sharon said was absolutely pathetic..

[Dillfon 0]

Ironic that Sharon Osbourne is calling Gaga's fans "vile," yet she adopts their exact MO in confronting Gaga. Wearing fur (especially faux fur) does not mean you endorse slaughtering animals. Sending an open letter (as Kelly has realistically done just the same in her open, televised, public criticisms of Gaga) is not the same as rallying your fanbase to attack celebrities. Sharon Osbourne is a crazed old c*** of a mother hen, and if botox hadn't replaced her brainspace, she'd realize her letter was nasty, angry, and so chock-full of totally irrelevant, one-dimensional and ultimately personal beefs with Gaga that it made her sound like a ****ing teenager. I refuse to be upset by this, and I hope Gaga feels the same.

[marrytheknight2012 0]

I'm a fan of Kelly. I record Fashion Police and watch it weekly. She has used thinly veiled insults against Gaga as an artist and as a role model before. Including the incident in which she personally addressed her on public television to control her fans. If Gaga was being insulting in her letter, Kelly was certainly being backhanded as well. You could also twist that and say...had Kelly privately contacted Gaga to discuss the issue it would've ALL been kept out of the public eye in the first place. But instead she chose to reiterate i several times on national television. Think of that what you will.

If Gaga needs to care enough to write an empty letter to her fans to make herself look good, than Kelly should be thoughtful enough to not generalize at all and leave that footnote you claim she shouldn't have to. Just saying.

Eh, I can see that but apparently they did make attempts to settle it private but Gagas people never responded.

[Dunk96 2,526]

This whole thread's a mess.

In all honesty,I think Gaga did the classiest thing she could by writing an intelligent response to Kelly's B.S.

I'm shocked that Sharon had the audacity to write such a response back,especially since she preaches so much on "The Talk".

It's quite pompous of Sharon to say the least,and she's quite the hypocrite,especially realizing reading through ALL 53 pages of this thread.

And to the people who are talking **** about Gaga(case in point,marrytheknight2012),you really need to sit down and evaluate your lives.Gaga tried the best she could,and she's not a f*cking queen.She's trying to do the right thing,but she can't control over 30 million people.

But seriously,the dude/chick I mentioned needs to really go away;they're being more or equally of a hypocrite that they accuse Gaga of (which BTW is complete bull****). More people need to be reporting this user.

Edited January 11, 2013 by Xcaliber

[Joe Matthews 11]

Because you keep arguing that you can't call someout out about their bad actions if you have done them yourself. And since you are saying Gaga is a hypocrit, than you must have never than anything wrong or you would be the hypocrit. Weak argument only if you don't a--lyze it.

You see but there's where you're missing my point. There's a difference between pointing out hypocrisy in someone else (what I'm trying to do with the example of Gaga) and telling someone to change who they are and become this ideal of a person, when you can't even be that person yourself (what Gaga did to Kelly). The first doesn't require any commitment to being or becoming that ideal.

[misanthrope 15]

But is it the first time a celebrity has shaded Gaga in interviews or on public television? Is it the first time someone's parodied or joked about her? Why attack Kelly and not Perez (just to give you an example)?

And that last part is another thing I mentioned earlier on in one of my previous posts. I don't think Gaga should take it upon herself to "tame" every single one of her fans. Of course there will always be the crazy ones who defend her to the death and thereby threaten or visciously insult other artists or even just regular people. What I'm saying is that she could've at least just accepted Sharon's request and tweeted something that said she doesn't condone the death threats towards Kelly. At least then she wouldn't be held responsible for her fan's actions and they wouldn't continuously give her a bad name.

Die Antwoords video was a direct response to Gaga asking them to headline her tour. I thought her attempt at dissing them was weak but irregardless of that she wasn't entirely at fault for responding to their response. Obviously they wanted to get a rise out of her and they did. Its not like I can justify it as right since I still thought it was weak but im just saying. If you think objectively its not something to constantly hold against her either.

What does it matter whether or not she responded to Kelly and not to Perez? Thats so trivial:

It's a bit strange to see so many people determined to find fault in Gaga's response. I wonder if their support of Sharon's letter would be the same if Gaga had written it instead?

Edited January 11, 2013 by misanthrope