Egypt to open 'largest archaeological museum in the world' by 2023

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37 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

Everything you just said refers to modern day Egypt & not ancient Egypt. Science have discovered that the origins of (Upper) Ancient Egypt lay in Nabta Playa located in Nubia (Sudan)! 
 

While it's true that Ancient Egypt had a great deal of Black ancestry, one may call this a revisionist reading of history, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy. Before modern-day Egypt, there were the Cops who are also ''brown'' and culturally Middle Eastern.

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26 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

While it's true that Ancient Egypt had a great deal of Black ancestry, one may call this a revisionist reading of history, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy. Before modern-day Egypt, there were the Cops who are also ''brown'' and culturally Middle Eastern.

Well all you have to do is loook at some of the statues and bust from the old kingdom to see for yourself.

 

 

 

 

It can’t be revisionist history if THESE statues & busts exist!  Some of these being King Tut and his family. 💁🏾‍♂️

 

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53 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

Well all you have to do is loook at some of the statues and bust from the old kingdom to see for yourself.

 

 

 

 

It can’t be revisionist history if THESE statues & busts exist!  Some of these being King Tut and his family. 💁🏾‍♂️

 

The late British Africanist Basil Davidson stated "Whether the Ancient Egyptians were as black or as brown in skin color as other Africans may remain an issue of emotive dispute; probably, they were both. Their own artistic conventions painted them as pink, but pictures on their tombs show they often married queens shown as entirely black being from the south."

The Black Egyptian hypothesis is the hypothesis that ancient Egypt was a "Black", homogeneous civilization.[198][199] Although there is consensus that Ancient Egypt was indigenous to Africa, the hypothesis that it was a "Black", homogeneous civilization was met with "profound" disagreement,[200] by some UNESCO scholars[26][201] in 1974 due to the insufficient data “to enable provisional conclusions to be drawn with regard to the peopling of ancient Egypt and the successive phases through which it may have passed”[202] and currently because it rests upon a scientifically outdated conception of race. Although, the archaeological evidence "strongly supports an African origin"[203] for the ancient Egyptians.[43]

The Black Egyptian hypothesis includes a particular focus on links to Sub Saharan cultures and the questioning of the race of specific notable individuals from Dynastic times, including Tutankhamun[204] the person represented in the Great Sphinx of Giza,[198][205][206] and the Greek Ptolemaic queen Cleopatra.[207][208][209][210] Advocates of the Black African model rely heavily on writings from Classical Greek historians, including Strabo, Diodorus Siculus, and Herodotus. Advocates claim that these "classical" authors referred to Egyptians as "Black with woolly hair".[note 2] The Greek word used was "melanchroes", and the English language translation of this Greek word is disputed, being translated by many as "dark skinned"[215][216] and by many others as "black".[note 3] Diop said "Herodotus applied melanchroes to both Ethiopians and Egyptians...and melanchroes is the strongest term in Greek to denote blackness."[219] Snowden claims that Diop is distorting his classical sources and is quoting them selectively.[220] Snowden has also acknowledged that "both Egyptians and Ethiopians were described as black, but only Ethiopians were described as having exceedingly woolly hair".[221] There is dispute about the historical accuracy of the works of Herodotus – some scholars support the reliability of Herodotus[note 4] while other scholars regard his works as being unreliable as historical sources, particularly those relating to Egypt.[note 5]

Other claims used to support the Black Hypothesis included anthropological measurements of Egyptian mummies, testing melanin levels in a small sample of mummies,[11]: 20, 37 [239] language affinities between ancient Egyptian language and sub-saharan languages,[11]: 28, 39–41, 54–55 [240] interpretations of the origin of the name Kmt, conventionally pronounced Kemet, used by the ancient Egyptians to describe themselves or their land (depending on points of view),[11]: 27, 38, 40  biblical traditions,[241][11]: 27–28  shared B blood group between Egyptians and West Africans,[11]: 37  and interpretations of the depictions of the Egyptians in numerous paintings and statues.[242] The hypothesis also claimed cultural affiliations, such as circumcision,[243] matriarchy, totemism, hair braiding, head binding,[244] and kingship cults.[245] Artifacts found at Qustul (near Abu Simbel – Modern Sudan) in 1960–64 were seen as showing that ancient Egypt and the A-Group culture of Nubia shared the same culture and were part of the greater Nile Valley sub-stratum,[246][247][248][249][250] but more recent finds in Egypt indicate that the Qustul rulers probably adopted/emulated the symbols of Egyptian pharaohs.[251][252][253][254][255][256] Authors and critics state the hypothesis is primarily adopted by Afrocentrists.[257][258][259][260][261][262][263][264] The archaeological cemeteries at Qustul are no longer available for excavations since the flooding of Lake Nasser.[265]

The current position of modern scholarship is that the Egyptian civilization was an indigenous Nile Valley development (see population history of Egypt),[195][196][39][197] and that modern racial categories like "Black" are social constructs inapplicable to Ancient Egypt.[43]

Basically brown and black Egyptians existed (specially in the south), but they were a part of a large genepool of people with Middle Eastern, European descent etc. It is anachronistic and emotive to assign them the image of we have today of subsaharan Africans because popular culture equates things like the Pyramids and pharaos with the continent of Africa. 

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1 hour ago, FfFfFfFF said:

The late British Africanist Basil Davidson stated "Whether the Ancient Egyptians were as black or as brown in skin color as other Africans may remain an issue of emotive dispute; probably, they were both. Their own artistic conventions painted them as pink, but pictures on their tombs show they often married queens shown as entirely black being from the south."

The Black Egyptian hypothesis is the hypothesis that ancient Egypt was a "Black", homogeneous civilization.[198][199] Although there is consensus that Ancient Egypt was indigenous to Africa, the hypothesis that it was a "Black", homogeneous civilization was met with "profound" disagreement,[200] by some UNESCO scholars[26][201] in 1974 due to the insufficient data “to enable provisional conclusions to be drawn with regard to the peopling of ancient Egypt and the successive phases through which it may have passed”[202] and currently because it rests upon a scientifically outdated conception of race. Although, the archaeological evidence "strongly supports an African origin"[203] for the ancient Egyptians.[43]

The Black Egyptian hypothesis includes a particular focus on links to Sub Saharan cultures and the questioning of the race of specific notable individuals from Dynastic times, including Tutankhamun[204] the person represented in the Great Sphinx of Giza,[198][205][206] and the Greek Ptolemaic queen Cleopatra.[207][208][209][210] Advocates of the Black African model rely heavily on writings from Classical Greek historians, including Strabo, Diodorus Siculus, and Herodotus. Advocates claim that these "classical" authors referred to Egyptians as "Black with woolly hair".[note 2] The Greek word used was "melanchroes", and the English language translation of this Greek word is disputed, being translated by many as "dark skinned"[215][216] and by many others as "black".[note 3] Diop said "Herodotus applied melanchroes to both Ethiopians and Egyptians...and melanchroes is the strongest term in Greek to denote blackness."[219] Snowden claims that Diop is distorting his classical sources and is quoting them selectively.[220] Snowden has also acknowledged that "both Egyptians and Ethiopians were described as black, but only Ethiopians were described as having exceedingly woolly hair".[221] There is dispute about the historical accuracy of the works of Herodotus – some scholars support the reliability of Herodotus[note 4] while other scholars regard his works as being unreliable as historical sources, particularly those relating to Egypt.[note 5]

Other claims used to support the Black Hypothesis included anthropological measurements of Egyptian mummies, testing melanin levels in a small sample of mummies,[11]: 20, 37 [239] language affinities between ancient Egyptian language and sub-saharan languages,[11]: 28, 39–41, 54–55 [240] interpretations of the origin of the name Kmt, conventionally pronounced Kemet, used by the ancient Egyptians to describe themselves or their land (depending on points of view),[11]: 27, 38, 40  biblical traditions,[241][11]: 27–28  shared B blood group between Egyptians and West Africans,[11]: 37  and interpretations of the depictions of the Egyptians in numerous paintings and statues.[242] The hypothesis also claimed cultural affiliations, such as circumcision,[243] matriarchy, totemism, hair braiding, head binding,[244] and kingship cults.[245] Artifacts found at Qustul (near Abu Simbel – Modern Sudan) in 1960–64 were seen as showing that ancient Egypt and the A-Group culture of Nubia shared the same culture and were part of the greater Nile Valley sub-stratum,[246][247][248][249][250] but more recent finds in Egypt indicate that the Qustul rulers probably adopted/emulated the symbols of Egyptian pharaohs.[251][252][253][254][255][256] Authors and critics state the hypothesis is primarily adopted by Afrocentrists.[257][258][259][260][261][262][263][264] The archaeological cemeteries at Qustul are no longer available for excavations since the flooding of Lake Nasser.[265]

The current position of modern scholarship is that the Egyptian civilization was an indigenous Nile Valley development (see population history of Egypt),[195][196][39][197] and that modern racial categories like "Black" are social constructs inapplicable to Ancient Egypt.[43]

Basically brown and black Egyptians existed (specially in the south), but they were a part of a large genepool of people with Middle Eastern, European descent etc. It is anachronistic and emotive to assign them the image of we have today of subsaharan Africans because popular culture equates things like the Pyramids and pharaos with the continent of Africa. 

I think the disconnect here when it comes to down to this particular subject, is that Ancient Egypt was BOTH of what we would call today (Middle Eastern) and (Black African). Black African to the South and Middle Eastern to the North!  Then you add intermingling, and the NUMEROUS invasions by foreign entities over the Millennias, and you get what you have today!  💁🏾‍♂️

But the official scientific study of Ancient Km.T (Egyptology) came out of the time of Colonization!  Where there was a systematic effort among scientists to deny the black African ancestry of Ancient Egypt for (obvious reasons) at that time.
 

…And so I think the "black Ancient Egyptian hypothesis" is trying to correct that mistake.

 

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this looks cool. i want to go.

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Let's hope the royal crown will return everything stolen just in time for the inauguration <3

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12 hours ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

I think the disconnect here when it comes to down to this particular subject, is that Ancient Egypt was BOTH of what we would call today (Middle Eastern) and (Black African). Black African to the South and Middle Eastern to the North!  Then you add intermingling, and the NUMEROUS invasions by foreign entities over the Millennias, and you get what you have today!  💁🏾‍♂️

 

 

Absolutely!

12 hours ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

 

But the official scientific study of Ancient Km.T (Egyptology) came out of the time of Colonization!  Where there was a systematic effort among scientists to deny the black African ancestry of Ancient Egypt for (obvious reasons) at that time.
 

This can't be true (anymore at least), because the other extreme, of claiming Ancient Egypt was a white is also not accepted by the scientific community and seen as pseudo-science. Relevant to this topic is that India (another British colony) developed a pseudo-scientific theory of its own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Aryanism, which is also not accepted by basically any mainstream scholar.

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2 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

This can't be true (anymore at least), because the other extreme, of claiming Ancient Egypt was a white is also not accepted by the scientific community and seen as pseudo-science. Relevant to this topic is that India (another British colony) developed a pseudo-scientific theory of its own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Aryanism, which is also not accepted by basically any mainstream scholar.

Well of course those are pseudoscientific, because white people don’t live near or derive from ANY of these places… 💁🏾‍♂️

An Aryan Ancient Egypt or Ancient India is the most laughable "hypothesis" of them ALL…..Lmao!

But Egyptology still has some aspects to this day of its colonial framework/inspection unfortunately. 😐

 

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20 hours ago, En_Sabah_Nur said:

Everything you just said refers to modern day Egypt & not ancient Egypt. Science have discovered that the origins of (Upper) Ancient Egypt lay in Nabta Playa located in Nubia (Sudan)! 
 

Nubia is a minor region in Egypt and Sudan is a different part that was connected to Egypt in the past. Also Coptic Egyptians are the closest to our ancient ancestors and we’re not dark skinned

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4 minutes ago, Candy Gaga said:

Nubia is a minor region in Egypt and Sudan is a different part that was connected to Egypt in the past. Also Coptic Egyptians are the closest to our ancient ancestors and we’re not dark skinned

Agree to Disagree then. The evidence says otherwise…