Dojo 19,823 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Transgender women, who were born male, are still required to sign up for the Selective Service in the event of a military draft. The policy, which has already been in effect for some time, gained new attention after the Selective Service System issued a reminder for men between the ages of 18 and 25 to register for the service. "Parents, if your son is an only son and the last male in your family to carry the family name, he is still required to register with SSS," the SSS said in a now-viral tweet sent on Friday. The Biden administration issued a statement in September that said it supports "the registration requirement for all citizens, which further ensures a military selective system that is fair and just.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trans-women-born-male-military-draft Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knee 279 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Happy to be inclusive when it's to their benefit right :-) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,823 Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 what in the "event of military draft" means? like actual WAR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,357 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 This is unfair because everybody should be drafted: males and females. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RahrahWitch 6,985 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Nobody should be force to fight in war, the draft is barbaric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElfieMartini 281 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said: This is unfair because everybody should be drafted: males and females.  10 minutes ago, RahrahWitch said: Nobody should be force to fight in war, the draft is barbaric. @FfFfFfFFI get the desire to be inclusive and have it be 'fair' that everybody has to be registered to be drafted but @RahrahWitch is right. Mandatory drafting is horrific. The fact that people may be forced to leave their homes and risk their lives IS barbaric. America is so proud to be a hugely patriotic country but patriotism shouldn't mean having to die for your country because a law says so. That's not what I said, I asked you not to be one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 littlepotter 76,616 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, knee said: Happy to be inclusive when it's to their benefit right :-) ? How is this inclusive? It's basically saying transwomen are not real women and they have to be drafted just like any men chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,357 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, ElfieMartini said:  @FfFfFfFFI get the desire to be inclusive and have it be 'fair' that everybody has to be registered to be drafted but @RahrahWitch is right. Mandatory drafting is horrific. The fact that people may be forced to leave their homes and risk their lives IS barbaric. America is so proud to be a hugely patriotic country but patriotism shouldn't mean having to die for your country because a law says so. Oh, I agree to be forced to fight is horrific! But there is no possibility countries will abandon this idea so when a draft comes it should at least be fair and include everybody. Though to be absolutely clear-> no pregnant women or with kids dependent on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElfieMartini 281 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said: Oh, I agree to be forced to fight is horrific! But there is no possibility countries will abandon this idea so when a draft comes it should at least be fair and include everybody. Though to be absolutely clear-> no pregnant women or with kids dependent on them. I agree they won't but it does need to stop. Do you not think it would be more fair though to say that minimum 1 person from every household with 2 or more people aged 18 or over (maybe more than one in cases of a significantly large household) should be drafted. Then families could choose. There are some families that have working Mothers and stay-at-home Fathers. In that case the Father would be the one to want to stay home as children would be more dependent on him daily as opposed to the Mother. There are more fair ways to draft but just saying 'everybody eligible' isn't the right way. That's not what I said, I asked you not to be one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsleepOnTheCeiling 6,976 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, ElfieMartini said: I agree they won't but it does need to stop. Do you not think it would be more fair though to say that minimum 1 person from every household with 2 or more people aged 18 or over (maybe more than one in cases of a significantly large household) should be drafted. Then families could choose. There are some families that have working Mothers and stay-at-home Fathers. In that case the Father would be the one to want to stay home as children would be more dependent on him daily as opposed to the Mother. There are more fair ways to draft but just saying 'everybody eligible' isn't the right way. I'm sorry but if I could be drafted at the same rate as ONE person out of a household of 3-4 eligible I'd be upset. I can understand a cap of 1 person out of 2 eligible to make sure that one adult could stay with their family, but I'm not down to be drafted  with only Tyler, because Martha and Tyler has a family of 3 grown kids in their house. And it'd be so easy to cheat that system/stack it against the poor as well. They should just get rid of the draft, especially with the military enrollment rate we have. But if we're gonna have a selective service, make everybody sign up for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neroneau 1,017 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Patriarchy much ? and last name requirement… there can be more than one collateral family line… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElfieMartini 281 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said: I'm sorry but if I could be drafted at the same rate as ONE person out of a household of 3-4 eligible I'd be upset. I can understand a cap of 1 person out of 2 eligible to make sure that one adult could stay with their family, but I'm not down to be drafted  with only Tyler, because Martha and Tyler has a family of 3 grown kids in their house. And it'd be so easy to cheat that system/stack it against the poor as well. They should just get rid of the draft, especially with the military enrollment rate we have. But if we're gonna have a selective service, make everybody sign up for it. I agree with pretty much all of this. I was just theorising about different ways to make this more fair. It's good to see things from different angles. The draft needs to go really. But I understand why they won't do that. People are less likely to sign up nowadays. That's not what I said, I asked you not to be one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 58,357 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, ElfieMartini said: I agree they won't but it does need to stop. Do you not think it would be more fair though to say that minimum 1 person from every household with 2 or more people aged 18 or over (maybe more than one in cases of a significantly large household) should be drafted. Then families could choose. There are some families that have working Mothers and stay-at-home Fathers. In that case the Father would be the one to want to stay home as children would be more dependent on him daily as opposed to the Mother. There are more fair ways to draft but just saying 'everybody eligible' isn't the right way. This won't work because it requires families themselves to find a sacrificial lamb. Just imagine the discussions at the dinner table and the drama afterwards.  People will not comply and it end up mandatory. Also, what is a ''family''? What if somebody is celibate? There are families with 10 people and families with 2. If based on the size of your family you are excepted, that is also not fair. What would be fair is to abolish the draft, but no society will want to accept it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 57,316 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 god i wish humans were better at banding together if everyone refused to sign up, we'd have the power... can't arrest us all mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,823 Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, littlepotter said: How is this inclusive? It's basically saying transwomen are not real women and they have to be drafted just like any men  they meant that they are only inclusive when it's to their benefit but they are NOT being inclusive on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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