KORG 4,756 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Benji said: Gypsy sounds like she felt like she had to write a The Edge of Glory 2.0. Let’s not touch on the fact the chorus is just her screaming “tonight.” Aura is pretty good, chorus is insanely good. The verses are okay, a bit wordy and could be tightened. Sexxx Dreams verses are good, chorus isn’t. ARTPOP is just a wordy mess. Could do with major tightening. GUY is actually pretty good writing, shame it’s got Zedd’s sound on it. The issue with ARTPOP is that it could all be tightened to be better. Throwing a tonne of words into a pop song doesn’t make a good pop song. Gypsy & the edge of Glory aren't similar, and the writing in Gypsy is leaps and bounds ahead of TEOG. Easily. Its like a country song, almost. Certainly closer to you & I in its writing. The chorus ain't it. I agree. But the vocal switches to the background for it and the edm comes to the forefront interestingly. I simply don't agree with the rest. Preferences, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, KORG said: Gypsy & the edge of Glory aren't similar, and the writing in Gypsy is leaps and bounds ahead of TEOG. Easily. Its like a country song, almost. Certainly closer to you & I in its writing. The chorus ain't it. I agree. But the vocal switches to the background for it and the edm comes to the forefront interestingly. I simply don't agree with the rest. Preferences, I guess. See I would put TEOG leagues above Gypsy but you’re right, it’s preference! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Benji said: See I would put TEOG leagues above Gypsy but you’re right, it’s preference! Out of interest, outside of the chorus, what is the best written line or couplet in teog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, KORG said: Out of interest, outside of the chorus, what is the best written line or couplet in teog? Hard to pick just one line. The whole song paints this beautiful image of one final night before death and not wanting to be alone. From a pop writing perspective, the call backs are catchy as hell - everyone in the stadium fills those gaps in for her because they’re that infectious, like the whole song. It’s an extremely well crafted pop song that people relate to. It’s an anthem that people know; Writing a good song does not mean word dumping. There’s an art to making a good pop song and ballad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahYuko 1,002 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Funkymonkey said: Y’all forget that were kinda entering the “album end” phase where she ALWAYS starts bashing/ivnoring the album lol she did it w BTW in a way, w ARTPOP, w Joanne and now w Chromatica We all know why tho, and it’s quite understandable why she does this Wait I think I'm just not catching something why does she do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeKermit 4,042 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, SarahYuko said: Wait I think I'm just not catching something why does she do that? That’s just sth she’s always done. After BTW she didn’t include a lot of BTW songs in the artrave. Then after ARTPOP we all know how she paid it dust, and even lightly shaded it etc after Joanne she said in an intervirw with Zane Lowe how that album traumatized her, and she wanted to create it to help her heal her dad’s trauma, which obv didn’t work and now w Chromatica we all know how she associAtes it with covid etc, and her darkest period yet, … it’s just her creative process I guess hahahaa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, SarahYuko said: Wait I think I'm just not catching something why does she do that? Just now, Funkymonkey said: That’s just sth she’s always done. After BTW she didn’t include a lot of BTW songs in the artrave. Then after ARTPOP we all know how she paid it dust, and even lightly shaded it etc after Joanne she said in an intervirw with Zane Lowe how that album traumatized her, and she wanted to create it to help her heal her dad’s trauma, which obv didn’t work and now w Chromatica we all know how she associAtes it with covid etc, and her darkest period yet, … it’s just her creative process I guess hahahaa All of the above. Plus you can’t really say in your promo tour “I don’t like this album, it’s not achieved what I wanted it to” when you’re supposed to be trying to sell it to people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORG 4,756 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Benji said: Hard to pick just one line. The whole song paints this beautiful image of one final night before death and not wanting to be alone. From a pop writing perspective, the call backs are catchy as hell - everyone in the stadium fills those gaps in for her because they’re that infectious, like the whole song. It’s an extremely well crafted pop song that people relate to. It’s an anthem that people know; Writing a good song does not mean word dumping. There’s an art to making a good pop song and ballad. The call & response is great from the perspective of a hook. The rest, to me, is embellishment based off her interviews and monologues about the song. And of course people know it, it's a single haha. I mean, if I were to pinpoint parts of her songs that are great lyricism, I'd say.. maybe the line about petrifying in sex dreams ("by a woman" aka medusa) or the 2nd verse of ARTPOP. IDK I love a story being told & Gypsy especially... similarly to ARUTW is a story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, KORG said: The call & response is great from the perspective of a hook. The rest, to me, is embellishment based off her interviews and monologues about the song. And of course people know it, it's a single haha. I mean, if I were to pinpoint parts of her songs that are great lyricism, I'd say.. maybe the line about petrifying in sex dreams ("by a woman" aka medusa) or the 2nd verse of ARTPOP. IDK I love a story being told & Gypsy especially... similarly to ARUTW is a story. Glad you touched on ARUTW, I think that’s her best ballad. The melodies and lyrics are just beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabasterBones 238 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Damn people think ARTPOP is weak lyrically? I’m obsessed with the songwriting in ARTPOP!! But then I love mess, i love chaos, I’m a lover of all things trashy and tacky and unperfected. I just think the lyrics on ARTPOP are so fun & whimsy and some of the lyrics actually made me belly laugh out loud when I first heard them, because she was just so humorous and playful. And the delivery of some of the lyrics is just gold. To me it really showcased her personality. Maybe my love and passion for ARTPOP as a whole just overshadows the fact that it could possibly not be great songwriting from a technical perspective, Idk tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 10,768 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Benji said: I totally agree with this. We know how ARTPOP was created over one of the craziest moments of her career. I can’t imagine how you write an album when one moment you’re on your biggest worldwide tour and then have to retire from it due to injury. The album has so many themes running through it that it doesn’t really land. When she talked about it during promo it’s like she was describing a different album completely or only a few select songs on there. I try to not be hard on ARTPOP, there are a few good songs on there but it just doesn’t live upto her usual high standard. I just wish fans would stop trying to make ACT 2 happen… Gaga was visibly not doing well throughout the era and you could hear this in the music, wanting her to return to that is not something we should want her to do. Agreed! It’s a classic example of burnout where she was able to still function and do a LOT (like make over 100 songs lol) but the execution had something a little off. That said, I actually think the album came together decently well just not really under how she initially marketed it to the fans. This Amazon review was like “it’s divided into distinct sections of obsession and indulgence” and divided it up by sex, material goods, and drugs, and I was like oh wait wtf this album makes WAY more sense but idk if Gaga intended that to happen or not. Regardless it was super cool and made me see the album differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 10,768 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Benji said: Hard to pick just one line. The whole song paints this beautiful image of one final night before death and not wanting to be alone. From a pop writing perspective, the call backs are catchy as hell - everyone in the stadium fills those gaps in for her because they’re that infectious, like the whole song. It’s an extremely well crafted pop song that people relate to. It’s an anthem that people know; Writing a good song does not mean word dumping. There’s an art to making a good pop song and ballad. Yup; TEOG and You and I are SPECIAL songs from her because they’re very skillful in how they’re constructed. They’re not just heartfelt and nice, but they kinda transcend in a way away from Gaga to something EVERYONE hearing it can feel even if they haven’t lost a loved one. I mean, “another shot before we kiss the other side”? just a beautifully simple, poetic line in that it can be taken to mean death or whatever else you’re facing that’s scaring you and making you feel alone. One review called TEOG her victory lap on BTW and you can’t help but agree full chest. It’s the strongest pop song on BTW and among her strongest, period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolitamuse 277 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Personally, I think she peaked creatively with TFM. Born This Way was too self-indulgent to be her best work. It had some gems for sure, but in terms of cohesive sound, production, and lyricism, TFM was it. BTW needed to cut a few songs to reach that level of cohesion, and definitely needed a cleaner polish. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the Bad Kids production is good. On the other hand, Bloody Mary and Electric Chapel are gorgeous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradleyCooper 1,984 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I think it’s interesting that she keeps bringing up how BloodPop forced her to make 1000 doves into a pop song before performing it each show, and it gives me the impression that she’s heading in a direction where she might take more control over her music going forward (maybe?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabasterBones 238 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 hours ago, lolitamuse said: Personally, I think she peaked creatively with TFM. Born This Way was too self-indulgent to be her best work. It had some gems for sure, but in terms of cohesive sound, production, and lyricism, TFM was it. BTW needed to cut a few songs to reach that level of cohesion, and definitely needed a cleaner polish. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the Bad Kids production is good. On the other hand, Bloody Mary and Electric Chapel are gorgeous. Uuuuuh whose deluding themselves?..... it’s good!😭 Not great sure okay, but it is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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