Demi Lovato on using she/her again in addition to their existing pronouns

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It's true sometimes I feel a rush of masculinity in me then it calms down but all of this is kind of unreal, an illusion, pure air, because qualities can't be masculine nor feminine, so it's natural to feel masculine or feminine throughout your life and it's also hard to define it in this "feeling" way. Although it can be a term that's more biological and science based, when it's a feeling it must be based on societal ideas in my opinion

[Benji 20,113]

16 minutes ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

Then don't click on the thread. Tf?

You said you don’t understand the hate she gets so I explained?  Are you alright lmaoo

[Gagaono 220]

8 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

I think that "they/them" should be used for people who don't present as obviously male or female (sex)

But I for my part am not masculine in everything I do, dress or how I act for example. I don't want to call myself a "they/them" just because I have androgynous traits! I am male (he/him) and men can be- and express themselves in feminin ways too so my behavioral circumstances or the society shouldn't require me having corresponding pronouns to "fit in". 

[Roughhouse Dandy 9,344]

20 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

I think that "they/them" should be used for people who don't present as obviously male or female (sex)

F*** my drag I guess 🙃

Lol those are my 1st choices of pronouns even though I have a buzz cut and facial hair that most would associate with male, but guess what, Mimi? It's valid. 

[Bonkers 28,395]

4 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

F*** my drag I guess 🙃

Lol those are my 1st choices of pronouns even though I have a buzz cut and facial hair that most would associate with male, but guess what, Mimi? It's valid. 

Isn't it the case for most people in drag they use "she/her" when in drag, and "He/Him" when presenting as a man?

I think that's what RuPaul does, and I thought that was the most common setup?

But again, if you prefer they/them - it's YOUR CHOICE.  

What I think about it doesn't really matter/

[Bonkers 28,395]

11 minutes ago, Gagaono said:

But I for my part am not masculine in everything I do, dress or how I act for example. I don't want to call myself a "they/them" just because I have androgynous traits! I am male (he/him) and men can be- and express themselves in feminin ways too so my behavioral circumstances or the society shouldn't require me having corresponding pronouns to "fit in". 

In a case like this, if I didn't know you preferred they/them, I would use it until I found out for sure you preferred he/him.

they/them is really just a way to avoiding assigning a gender and I don't think there's anything wrong with calling ANYONE they/them ESPECIALLY if you're not sure what pronouns they prefer.

It's like even if I'm talking about someone everyone KNOWS is a he/him this conversation is totally normal:

Q:  What time is your friend coming?
A:  They'll be here at 8.

We did that before pronouns were an issue at all and wasn't meant to imply they were non binary or wanting to not reveal their sex.  It was just a non gendered use of english that is commonly used.

[Bling 31,249]

16 minutes ago, Benji said:

You said you don’t understand the hate she gets so I explained?  Are you alright lmaoo

If the things you mentioned truly affect your life in a way you cannot enjoy someone's music, or the much-needed representation of a queer, non-binary person sharing their journey, then that's fine. What I don't understand is the need to bring her down when she's just figuring out life like we all are. 

[Benji 20,113]

3 minutes ago, WheresMy911Alice said:

If the things you mentioned truly affect your life in a way you cannot enjoy someone's music, or the much-needed representation of a queer, non-binary person sharing their journey, then that's fine. What I don't understand is the need to bring her down when she's just figuring out life like we all are. 

I’m not bringing her down?  You asked a question and I answered it…

[Roughhouse Dandy 9,344]

18 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

Isn't it the case for most people in drag they use "she/her" when in drag, and "He/Him" when presenting as a man?

I think that's what RuPaul does, and I thought that was the most common setup?

But again, if you prefer they/them - it's YOUR CHOICE.  

What I think about it doesn't really matter/

I didn't literally mean my drag as in actual drag. It's a turn of phrase just meaning "f*** what I'm doing I guess". 

But you're right, it really doesn't matter how others feel about it. It's just demeaning to see people openly infer that your gender identity is wrong or inaccurate because of how you look. Especially on a fansite dedicated to someone who advocates for acceptance and love for any and all genders. You do you ofc! 

[JanStan 571]

20 minutes ago, Gagaono said:

But I for my part am not masculine in everything I do, dress or how I act for example. I don't want to call myself a "they/them" just because I have androgynous traits! I am male (he/him) and men can be- and express themselves in feminin ways too so my behavioral circumstances or the society shouldn't require me having corresponding pronouns to "fit in". 

This is why I’ve never understood non-binary pronouns. You can be male/female and aside from your pronouns, live completely the same as you would if you were non-binary. The pronoun issue seems unnecessary. I think everyone feels more feminine or masculine at different times so everyone is non-binary on some level. I’ve tried to understand but it just doesn’t make sense to me. 

[Bonkers 28,395]

7 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I didn't literally mean my drag as in actual drag. It's a turn of phrase just meaning "f*** what I'm doing I guess". 

But you're right, it really doesn't matter how others feel about it. It's just demeaning to see people openly state that your gender identity is wrong or inaccurate because of how you look. Especially on a fansite dedicated to someone who advocates for acceptance and love for any and all genders. You do you ofc! 

See, I never said it was wrong or inaccurate and I don't think it is.  I just don't agree that pronouns are necessary to validate being non binary.  But that doesn't mean I'm demeaning you or invalidating you.   It doesn't mean your opinion is invalid just because it's different than mine, and like I said, I'm happy to use they/them for anyone.  I just don't think it's the be-all to validating gender identity.  Non binary is valid because it's valid.  If a non binary person chooses male or female pronouns - they are still non binary. 

[insight 2,428]

Next month, the male energy will kick in and they'll ll be back to them normal self

[SadBoi808 1,120]

Who actually gives a ****

[FfFfFfFF 54,368]

I feel bad for her. I love me some Demi jokes now and then, but it's obvious she went through a lot and I find it sad. Like the video of her singing to ghosts, normally I would have just laughed at it but there was something about it. 

I wouldn't be surprised if they abused her in at Disney.

[Chlorine 47,975]

Didn’t she say this a while ago