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Waiting for the "but EU needs to grow from within and not accept new members" as if the war potentially spreading to 1 new country (Moldova) isn't going to hurt the current EU members more. :vegas:

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Georgia (who has with Abhazia, South Osethia under Russian occupation) wasn't granted EU candidate status. Moldova has Transnistria under Russian occupation, yet it got EU candidate status. Maybe the EU believes Transnistria will be too hard to sustain as an exclave and so Russia will at some point pull out of it? :oprah:

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3 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Georgia (who has with Abhazia, South Osethia under Russian occupation) wasn't granted EU candidate status. Moldova has Transnistria under Russian occupation, yet it got EU candidate status. Maybe the EU believes Transnistria will be too hard to sustain as an exclave and so Russia will at some point pull out of it? :oprah:

It is not what is occupied or has separatist tendentions.

Ukraine and Molodva have fullfiled 14 ( or at least some of ) requierements for this status to be granted. Georgia did not for now. But it is assured She will receive the same status as soon as requeierements Are fullfiled.

Invasion did push this to happened sooner but I repeat there is criteria and it has been Done according to that criteria as it was for all other EU member states.

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42 minutes ago, Ivannn said:

It is not what is occupied or has separatist tendentions.

Ukraine and Molodva have fullfiled 14 ( or at least some of ) requierements for this status to be granted. Georgia did not for now. But it is assured She will receive the same status as soon as requeierements Are fullfiled.

Invasion did push this to happened sooner but I repeat there is criteria and it has been Done according to that criteria as it was for all other EU member states.

All these criteria are really fluid and the decision to allow countries in is very much tied to politics and security concerns. Even Macron said something that supports this at his most recent visit in Moldova. The fact that the requirments are fluid is pretty much an assumed reality.

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44 minutes ago, Ivannn said:

It is not what is occupied or has separatist tendentions.

Ukraine and Molodva have fullfiled 14 ( or at least some of ) requierements for this status to be granted. Georgia did not for now. But it is assured She will receive the same status as soon as requeierements Are fullfiled.

Invasion did push this to happened sooner but I repeat there is criteria and it has been Done according to that criteria as it was for all other EU member states.

Countries entering EU are also expected to exert full control over all territory inside their claimed borders. Cyprus (already a member) doesn't, Georgia doesn't and neither do Ukraine or Moldova.

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@StarryNight One critique people have of Serbia recently which maybe played a part into why they didn't grant it full membership is that it doesn't join the sanctions against Russia. Kinda playing both sides, which is understanble due to Serbia's history with NATO, yet Serbia does seemingly want to become an EU member. 

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10 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

@StarryNight One critique people have of Serbia recently which maybe played a part into why they didn't grant it full membership is that it doesn't join the sanctions against Russia. Kinda playing both sides, which is understanble due to Serbia's history with NATO, yet Serbia does seemingly want to become an EU member. 

Getting candidate status means nothing, it's a know fact that eu is not capable of accepting any new members especially problematic ones. North Macedonia is candidate for over 17 years, they joined nato they even changed their name :flop: and still haven't even started negotiating. Moldova is now candidate country but BiH isn't should they start another war just to get it or what?

here is result of eu forcing and blackmailing Serbia over Russia sanctions 
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/22/for-first-time-a-majority-of-serbs-are-against-joining-the-eu-poll

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10 minutes ago, StarryNight said:

Getting candidate status means nothing, it's a know fact that eu is not capable of accepting any new members especially problematic ones. North Macedonia is candidate for over 17 years, they joined nato they even changed their name :flop: and still haven't even started negotiating. Moldova is now candidate country but BiH isn't should they start another war just to get it or what?

here is result of eu forcing and blackmailing Serbia over Russia sanctions 
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/22/for-first-time-a-majority-of-serbs-are-against-joining-the-eu-poll

I would love for the Western Balkan countries to be eventually allowed into the EU, but pragmatically, due to their position Moldova and Ukraine are very useful in containing Russian expansion into South-Eastern Europe. Frankly, from a Bruxelles perspective, they may be seen as holding a a strategic value Bosnia, Serbia, Albania do not have. I also don't believe anti-European/ anti-NATO sentiment in Serbia is necessarily a result of what happened this year, Serbia was always a Russian ally so in the context of the war, EU is going to be especially cautious over what countries it allows in. If Serbia would have opposed Russia explicitly and through sanctions, it would likely have been closer to joining the EU.

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2 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

If Serbia would have opposed Russia explicitly and through sanctions, it would likely have been closer to joining the EU.

:laughga: no, we would receive next thing we must do and that is to recognise Kosovo*, the other day that new German chancellor explicitly said that while standing in Belgrade and talking about how important for Europe is democracy, international law, tEritOriAl iNteGriTy :awkney:

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4 minutes ago, StarryNight said:

:laughga: no, we would receive next thing we must do and that is to recognise Kosovo*, the other day that new German chancellor explicitly said that while standing in Belgrade and talking about how important for Europe is democracy, international law, tEritOriAl iNteGriTy :awkney:

My point is that Serbia aligning with Russia certainly won't help its European future. If you say it has 15% chances to join generally speaking, after warming its relations with Russia that drops to 0,5%. :huntyga: Cyprus was allowed in the EU even though the issue of North Cyprus was and still remain unsetteled, would you say EU supports Albanians' claims over Kosov more than Turkey's claims over Cyprus?

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13 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

My point is that Serbia aligning with Russia certainly won't help its European future. If you say it has 15% chances to join generally speaking, after warming its relations with Russia that drops to 0,5%. :huntyga: Cyprus was allowed in the EU even though the issue of North Cyprus was and still remain unsetteled, would you say EU supports Albanians' claims over Kosov more than Turkey's claims over Cyprus?

^Yes.

How are we aligning with Russia tho? just because we don't want to impose sanctions on them? we even voted for all those resolution in UN over Russian aggression..

at the and it's better to be at 0,5% that to go from 15 to 16% :poot:

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