Meruk Holland 2,358 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy McQueen said: Why can't people differentiate anymore and only see black and white. I agree with her. How are genital preferences transphobic? You cannot force lesbians to like pen*s. Nor is it fair that trans women do compete in sports with cis women. There are physiological differences, especially when the person transitions after puberty later in life. And of course predators can mis-use the self-ID system to invade women safe spaces by claiming they are trans. There are men who study years (!!!) to become a doctor and then be able to r*pe women when they are unconcious in the hospital. It is disgusting and several cases of this phenomenon are reported and well documented. So I would not be surprised if some monsters use the Self-ID-System as a getaway for such misogynistic perverts too. And of course a woman who has been abused could feel unsafe in a changing room when there is a person with a d*ck next to her naked, some people are traumatized for god's sake. And there *are* detransitioners. Why is is seen as bigotry ot transphobia to talk about it?! Google Detransitioners, there are several Interviews on YouTube. Nothing is black and white. While a lot of trans-identified people benfit from transitioning, others regret it and get depressed or even suicidal, every human feels different and makes different experiences, has different expectations etc. ... How does talking about such issues make the trans community feel attacked or make them feel unsafe? What does it have to do with discrimination and right-wing propaganda? I'm sorry, I just don't get it. I have several trans friends (both transmen as well as transwomen) and they actuqlly to my surprise agree with the Essay that Rowling wrote back in the day and don't understand the backlash. If the word "women" is offensive and they should be called "menstruators" or something else, why isn't the word "men" seen as not inklusive enough as well? I never heard aby trans activist complain that men should be called "ejaculators" or "people with a prostate". Accepting biology as a Material reality and fact is not in contradiction to be trans-inclusive in my opinion. Gender identity is not biological s*x. Nor is being born intersex an identity or has anything to do with gender dysphoria, it is a completly different medical condition. Humans are not like clownfish who are able to change their biological s*x at will. Maybe it will be possible in the future, who knows? Maybe we can change not only or chromosons but even our DNA or ethical background in the future with modern technology and medicine. But not as of now... It is simple not possible, sorry. I stand by transwomen but I understand Rowling's argument that in cannot Happen by throwing cis women under the bus like in the fields of sport. It is simply not fair. You really did just copy and paste every Gender Critical talking point with no regard for formatting, didn't you? I can't even tell if this is satire. It's like you're reading from a script or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWitch 720 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Me: Gay, White, enby, femme My response: This is ironic to hear a gay man claim oppression from LGBTQIA+ spaces when this is the group within LGBTQ I actively avoid because of “no fats, no femmes, no blacks, no asians” culture, because they live for pitting women against each other and driving sexist tropes and actively harming one of the groups that support lgbtqia+ MOST. This man is not oppressed in LGBTQIA+ spaces. He had his beliefs challenged by the groups who are still actively oppressed today and is latching onto terf talking points to further his worldview. Children aren’t being transitioned at “increasing rates”. This is a fallacy. Puberty blockers are safe and this is all done with psychological support and medical consulting. It’s not an amazon order anyone can place for their child. People “de transitioning” most often cite lack of social support, and many cases transition again when they are in a better supporting social system. This article exactly cites the problem of white, gay, CIS men in the LGBTQIA+ space and I am sick and tired if it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenPonyboy 2,434 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Who actually think cisgender is a slur ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennywise 36,080 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Andy McQueen said: I agree with her Then you can go rot in hell, sis, no further input required So long ggd, it was nice while it lasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,871 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 The way this 'new homophobia' is literally her basically saying that trans people existing is oppressive to cis people. Like what the actual **** EDIT: didn't realize she didn't pen this op-ed. Just responding to the excerpt from the OP. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 56,992 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Andy McQueen said: Why can't people differentiate anymore and only see black and white. I agree with her. How are genital preferences transphobic? You cannot force lesbians to like pen*s. Nor is it fair that trans women do compete in sports with cis women. There are physiological differences, especially when the person transitions after puberty later in life. And of course predators can mis-use the self-ID system to invade women safe spaces by claiming they are trans. There are men who study years (!!!) to become a doctor and then be able to r*pe women when they are unconcious in the hospital. It is disgusting and several cases of this phenomenon are reported and well documented. So I would not be surprised if some monsters use the Self-ID-System as a getaway for such misogynistic perverts too. And of course a woman who has been abused could feel unsafe in a changing room when there is a person with a d*ck next to her naked, some people are traumatized for god's sake. And there *are* detransitioners. Why is is seen as bigotry ot transphobia to talk about it?! Google Detransitioners, there are several Interviews on YouTube. Nothing is black and white. While a lot of trans-identified people benfit from transitioning, others regret it and get depressed or even suicidal, every human feels different and makes different experiences, has different expectations etc. ... How does talking about such issues make the trans community feel attacked or make them feel unsafe? What does it have to do with discrimination and right-wing propaganda? I'm sorry, I just don't get it. I have several trans friends (both transmen as well as transwomen) and they actuqlly to my surprise agree with the Essay that Rowling wrote back in the day and don't understand the backlash. If the word "women" is offensive and they should be called "menstruators" or something else, why isn't the word "men" seen as not inklusive enough as well? I never heard aby trans activist complain that men should be called "ejaculators" or "people with a prostate". Accepting biology as a Material reality and fact is not in contradiction to be trans-inclusive in my opinion. Gender identity is not biological s*x. Nor is being born intersex an identity or has anything to do with gender dysphoria, it is a completly different medical condition. Humans are not like clownfish who are able to change their biological s*x at will. Maybe it will be possible in the future, who knows? Maybe we can change not only or chromosons but even our DNA or ethical background in the future with modern technology and medicine. But not as of now... It is simple not possible, sorry. I stand by transwomen but I understand Rowling's argument that in cannot Happen by throwing cis women under the bus like in the fields of sport. It is simply not fair. mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Goth 1,149 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 thank God i didnt enjoy her work when all of my friends love hp back i the day f u karen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea B 16,761 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I really can't stand her, she's so annoying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,537 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: How are genital preferences transphobic? You cannot force lesbians to like pen*s. Who is even saying that? On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: Nor is it fair that trans women do compete in sports with cis women. There are physiological differences, especially when the person transitions after puberty later in life. That's been debunked. After a certain number of years under hormone therapy the advantages disappear entirely. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: And of course predators can mis-use the self-ID system to invade women safe spaces by claiming they are trans. So let's punish trans people because there are predators? On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: There are men who study years (!!!) to become a doctor and then be able to r*pe women when they are unconcious in the hospital. It is disgusting and several cases of this phenomenon are reported and well documented. I don't believe for a SECOND that someone goes through college, gets a phd, gets hired in the medical field, somehow finds a hospital where long periods of one on one time with an anesthetized patient is a thing, literally over a decade of prep just to assault an unconscious woman. That makes literally zero sense. And even if that does happen, again, why should a predator's actions impact the rights and liberties of trans people? On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: And of course a woman who has been abused could feel unsafe in a changing room when there is a person with a d*ck next to her naked, some people are traumatized for god's sake. I've been assaulted multiple times by different men. You don't see me chaining up the public restroom any time I go in because I fear being in proximity to a penis. Others' trauma, however sad and regretful, should not rob innocent people of their rights. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: And there *are* detransitioners. Why is is seen as bigotry ot transphobia to talk about it?! Google Detransitioners, there are several Interviews on YouTube. Nothing is black and white. While a lot of trans-identified people benfit from transitioning, others regret it and get depressed or even suicidal, every human feels different and makes different experiences, has different expectations etc. ... And? Because some people decide to reverse their transitions that means we should condemn the whole lot of them? On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: How does talking about such issues make the trans community feel attacked or make them feel unsafe? Gee, I dunno. Maybe because you and everyone else who buys into Rowling's putrid stink are lumping them in with predators all the damn time. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Clearly. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: I have several trans friends (both transmen as well as transwomen) and they actuqlly to my surprise agree with the Essay that Rowling wrote back in the day and don't understand the backlash. I don't believe you. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: If the word "women" is offensive and they should be called "menstruators" or something else, why isn't the word "men" seen as not inklusive enough as well? Literally nobody thinks the word "woman" is offensive. On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: Humans are not like clownfish who are able to change their biological s*x at will. Maybe it will be possible in the future, who knows? Maybe we can change not only or chromosons but even our DNA or ethical background in the future with modern technology and medicine On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: I stand by transwomen No you don't On 4/23/2022 at 10:36 AM, Andy McQueen said: It is simply not fair. What isn't fair is that trans peoples' rights are apparently meant to be dictated by the fears, paranoid delusions, and "comfort" of people like Rowling. The fear that a pervert would refrain from peeping on women in the restroom or changing room until trans women are allowed to use the proper facilities. The fear that kids are being coerced into transitioning rather than knowing their identity at an early age like many of us do. The asinine statement that we can't change DNA therefore "trans women aren't real women". You're transphobic and you've, amazingly, probably even convinced yourself that you're not and I'm personally tired of seeing it. Spread that mess somewhere else and leave people alone. If you, Rowling, or anyone else fears the big bad trans boogyman then poop at home is all I can tell you. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf 1,328 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 "Today, the least-accepting spaces for people like me are, of all places, the halls of LGBT rights organizations." Then why is she seeking validation from a community which she has continuously hurt, and had never even bothered to acknowledge and correct those mistakes? Why is she asking for acceptance from a group that she never accepted in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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